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Those too large to be entirely included in one exposure ara filmed beginning in the upper left hend corner, left to right and top to bottom, as many frames as raqt'ired. The following diagrams illustrate the method: Les cartes, planches, tableaux, etc., peuvent Atre film^s A des taux de reduction diff^rents. Lorsque le document est trop grand pour Atre reproduit en un seul clichA, il est film6 A partir de Tangle supArieur gauche, de gauche A droite, et de haut en bas, en pranant le nombre d'images nAcessaire. Les diagrammas suivants illustrant la niAthode. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 '■'t«'l(,- ■'•wi;^ SPEFX'H OF MH. JOHN CHARLTON, M.P. IN HOUSE OF COMMOISrS MARCH i.'8th, 1893 RECirROCITY NEGOTIATIONS DOCUMENTS AND STATEMENTS CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT CONDUCT AND MOTIVES NO REAL £!FI'ORT MADE FOR RECIPROCITY Exphumlion „/ Diverse Statements at Washi.ujton and Ottawa Mr. CIIARLTON. Mr. Speaker, I wish to toko thi.s opportunity to make some remarks on this question. The hou. Minister of Fin- ; nee, in his speech on the tariff, following nunt' of somo days ago, ma t- do so. I dare say I might possibly find Kon.ething in liis record that would not be more creditable tluon behig a Presbyterian elder : hut it is- not my intention to do so I intend, however, to justify the position I took with regard to the course of the Govern- ment in their negotiations or their professed negotiations at Washington. The observa- tions and ehaiges made with regard to the rour.se I took render It necessary for me to vmdicate myself hi this matter. Now, the Hon. member ha.s brought down a report in winch he professed to give a histor^• of the uegotjations at Washington. Tn that re- r^^.u ^**. ^'"^P^y reiterated and reaffirm- ed the statements he had previously made Ll™.,"?^^**' *° Imagine what purpo«5e wa^ f^^ ^^ *^® brtoghig down of that pro- rosa^^ report. The hon. meiiii)er had re- 1 peatedly made the some statement, and It! i^ T'S.T^'^* sigUficant-I tMnk It was a | ume Invldlous-on the part of the hon. gen- tleman to bring that report down at a time I when Secretirj- Blaine, ono of the actors in mat matter was dead, and when another of the actors, Secretary Foster, had ceased to be Secretary of State, ;.nd had not only c^ed to be an official and to act in an I official capacity at Washington, but j ii.id left the country as weU, and was at that time hi Eurcipe. I .-ehanfred eou.ht,.,n ..f the cnnner- cial nlations .,f th.. two .ountnes sjnc- t ' '-•;:;;> f ! l«r.4 wius negotiate.!, it was r.Kar.le.1 of esse itia nn- ; K Int thit a list of n.annfaetuml Ko-ls '^l"^"''/, ;• ' ...•In.ledin the sche.luV o.' articles f'''' f'^' ;;■•'■ ':' 1 exchange nnder any reeipro-.ty arrauR.^.n.-.it winch j niitrht be nude. Now, the hon. gentleman will m:irk the lati- ; S rgfi ; not that th-re should bo ;,ntestfi<'t.Ml , Reciprocity, not that there shoultl be absol.ito admission into the markets ot Canada .. aU American manufactures ; but the condit -in ; laid down by Mr. Blaine was tnat t!io treaty should not be conlin.Mi ;a rociprocit.s in natural products, but that there .ihomd be in addition, a list of manufactnre.1 ar- ticles to be agreed upon boiweeu the comniis- siouers of Canada and th.- authorities ot th.' United States. The Canadiaii comu.is- sioners refuse.! to recede, in the shgbtest de- eree. from the position they took. The.\ came to Washington with the idtimattim : Give us reciprocity in natural product;,, or. it vou will not, we will not tdk the matter with you at all ; wo will have our way. \ve will make no coucessions, we will engage m no diplomatic discus.-^ion to see wheth.-r we cannot arrive at an agrwment ; but we ia> down our ultimatum, which is the recipr..city treaty of 1854, witli modihc ions such as th.' hon. 'gentleman explained ..it(>rwards. And I will show what liis explanations were. This was their ultimatum. Mr. Blames re_ nueat that tliey should agree upon a, list or manufactured artleles-a list-not all maim- f.,^,,,^,.(,s-alld that 1h.\v shouhl iiKik.' iiroposltlons were not ac.eded to. and no attempt was made to see If tii.'rc was any possibility of making a reciprocity treaty, "("here was room for diplomatic dis- cussion ; there was room for an honest at- tempt, on ttie part of the Canadian cominis- slone-s, to see If they could possibly secure a treaty of commerce with the United States. It was not reasonable for Uiose gentlemen to go to Washington and lay down an ulti- matum w'lich the Americans would hav.- to accept. And it was not reasonable to lay dowu an ultimatiuu and refuse to discuss the question. Discussion was absol-tely and peremptorllv closed by our commissioners, and the negotiations broken by tneir own act Had my hon. friend opposite any reason to suppose, when he went to Washington, tliat his proposition for a treaty of recipr.)- clty, base.! on the treaty of 1854, wotild be accepted ? Had be any reaaoa to suppose it was worth his while going there U> make that proposition ? Of course not. The Am- erican Government, time and again, lussnred this countrj' that no such treaty woul.i bo accept.Kl. Only a few days before tl.e dis- solution of the House of Commons, ^Ir Blaine had expressly stated ls. plcKs sna.les. l.'ather, pmiting presses, musical in- ^tniiiients, wliite paper, wall paper funutuiv !iu a, gnat variety of other mamifat^tun-.i '"'oods. "wliich we import almost .-x.'lnslvoly fn.m ih.' T'nited Slat.'S. They could have :n-- raiiged a wide list of manufactured articles, ■m.rdv.'u. if n.-.-'Ssao-. to tlu' Aniori."in peo- ple preferential treatment m onr market iii these aiticlos. and. . -it tin' same time, have nor been nndor ilio necessity of discnminatuiu' a"ainsc Endand. except, periiaps. to a A-ery sliglit flegree. If these commissioners had l.'.'u honest in their prof.^Jscd .l.'sire to oh- Miii reciprooitT. if they hnd deigned to accept Mr Blaine's proposal to .alk the matter ov.n- and make propositions, if they had been wU- mg to make the attemnt to agree upon a hst .>f mamu"a. tm-Ml articles, limited in extent a li^t such as tljev likely will adopt in part lie- fore twelve months from this date, -witliout re- ciprocity In view at all. they could have, in all hnnian probability, securetl access to tlie American market for our natural products in return for a concession which woul-l h;!v^" admitted a certain list of American goods ' which .ve do not import to any great extent frrmi England, and which, if we give pre- i ferential treatment in our market, would not ha"« effectcfl Fiifflnncl to anv fonsldornblo fl.>- frno. r repeat iliat tlu-.v .-..uM liavoilun:. tlds bo.voml all inifstiuii. niKi ilic whol.. ,>,,„is,. .,f th!^'^^^.?^*^.?"!^* Washington demonstrated the truth or the ass< rtlon that they were not tht-rt. to get a mii)rooitv treat v ; that nwinl to it, hooaus.. if ti..,.,- ,,.„, ,„,.„ ,„.. y»u>\ all Inui.ai! ,ju,.stiuu thov coiiia i,avo ti a- sli^^l.t iU'tir,',^ discflininat,. a>,'aiust JOiiKl.-.ti.i. •Nou.SiiM wish lo iM.iut urn. and i„ du ii II. 'lit Miih d(H'(.piion ill this matter. The :ine-aii,,ii was made in the lii-st place by the '-.'ssion in the eom.trV. subj,>ct. that was tlie lan/rnase „f ii e nl- t- foi in ti,,nn the subjcK-t. They wnt to the "•'"Hitiy. I repeat, with an implied, if n.,t a •nTf 'd' 4;'?)'"'"'' '".'Y ••'■^iP'tx'it.v with the inted Siat.>.s wotild l,,. tlie onteoiii,. of e.ineu'oiations. whirl, nesofiations. tlvv «l.iimo.l. had l)e,.n iiwlitnted a.s the result of .overtures made by that country, Th.-ir KirtisniLs wep. le.! to expect reciprocity ■ M Me>[""nr "•"^^' •"■'""'^'^•^ '-ecSH-ocity: s ute. mnt.s and ivp.-es.nna lions ml.dc .1 }. Goyernincnt Now, I wish to c. the anention of ,h,. „„„;,, i„ ti^V^.s? '•o^(^;t<^' Afon'^'^'*'''! ''"'"'^^' i'l'Poared in the joioiito Mail," in January, isyi. and wlii,>i, ir.l'lf "••:'-^'|, '>^' " "'"-"patch appearing >e Lmpn-e" on the followine: day ( i .e l..th of January. ISOl. the To^ui,?"Ma " iMd a d(>spatch which road as follows :- .under the date of 20th Mr. Bakw writes, January, 1891 .- W.Asiii.MiTox, D.C., 29th January, 1891. IImIi. .IaMKS <;. 1W..MNE, Secretary of State. ' , .,^^1 l^KAH Mr. l!l..viN-K. It is r..,->rt(Hl i„ the ,»•«•«. l-aiH-rs of f an.ila an.l aIo>.>; tla- .lortliern hord.-r of n.y.stat.-, vl,,.,-.. „,y c.,n-.tit.i.-uts an- deeply ii,tere«t- e.l in tlie sul.jeet, tl.at negotiations are «,ln^ „n Ix- twen tliiM countrv .•mil Crenf It-if..;. ...;.i. _ . • _ , It is reported from Ottawa, on authority ^^hi^l, .Uini>ters to uinte in a iiro|K)siti,,i, t) arraiitr,. il "matters ,n dispute hetvveen C.anaiia and e r.nte n^;«.cH;!'"'""^ "'''""'''""-•'- "f -niniS Jij^S.^Ser:!!'^ "^•"P''-^" --^« the The " Knipire " is authorized to giye this statemenr ' r":^tr!nri;^r't''- ''W^'^- r^ -^ t'Au^"C ™ t U A ^' ■ •™';''^'l f'<"" tl"' very be.n s,,u rces ', the Cana.han Oovennnent has 'recently hee^t I ; r^o ^hlY "r ^^'"'"^ ^^•""'^ *;<.vernn,en \y r" 1 Mew to the deyeloinnent of trade relations iK-tween' the t;vo countries and that our (Jover n mt h s n' thn^ihle'i;:"'^''"^'^"' ^"^^ Majesty's CJoyernnieS on" Following this and callwl forth by this and snmlar statom^nts which appear^ in Ihe ^ •nn.iian pi\ss wo hayo u iefeter ^'rom Mr B:ikor, member of the United States House oi: Representatives, maiing inquiry with r,- ^tZ. '^ ^^^ ^'^"^'' '^^ tbP Secretary of State for the United StRtes (Mr. Ql^ne) tw.en tills country ,in.| Creat Hritai.. wiUi a vie\y of [..•.itial reci|.r(K-,tv with Canada, •nchxling natural jr(Hlu,;ts only and not uianufacture.s, and it i.s stated lliat Sir (has. 1 uppe,- ,.. ,,n his way here as comniis- Moiier .,ne-,,tiare (,,, „K.l. ni,«liticution to our tariff. I would 1 e yery ^dad it you would enable in« toan-twer my constituents. N'erv truly yours, '■II.\S. .S. I!.\KKli. To tliLs intiuiiy Mr. Bhiine replies on the same day : W.AsuiNoTov, D.C. L«itli .laiiuary, IS'Jl. Mv Dk.ar Mr. KvKKH.-I authorize you to contra- 'iKttheri.iMoursyou refer to. There are no negotia- r I. .MS whatever on foot for .a reciprocity treaty with Canada, and you may l». assured that no scheme for reciproivity with the Dominion confined to natural pro.|uct4 will «. entertained 1.^ this tJoyernment. w'ishin'.'to. ' ^"" *""''"■'■ '^"I'l""'"'* coming to ^ e y trulv yours, •i.V.MKSt;. HLAIXK. Now, the menibors of tlie Canadian Minlsti-y were m pos.ses.sion of tlds stitemmt of Mr Bl.-une l>efore the House was dis.solyod oil the ;,rd of February, They had the fact be- tore them that these assertions were made uith rcH-ard to their abilitj- to secure recipro- city and I ropeiit that they were guilty of (luphiity .ind made ropresenfcitions to" the peopl,. which they loiew could not lie re- de. .ue-^'»'' '"ade returnable on 25th J In yie .f the foregoing im,x)rtai)t statement the , ques ion . ,11 .^tur.ally 1^. askec'i, what are th" reaso ^ «hich have induced the (Jovernnient to apijeal H, tho coun ry at the present time ? It is unde,4to;Kl that the Uominion Government have through Her Ma- L nited ht.ates for negotiations l.K.kingto an extension of our commerce with that countty. These proposals have been submitted to the President fo. hi- c^n^der th^iV\'l'^ ''"^ ^>''f'l""' -^- ''" -hy thelif.-of the premnt CmKr-Hs .•Nl'irf", f'>r tl>' I'"' Umoii aiKl 'levef;.p..»ntof trad. ■Ut«..'n tl. I te. Stat.-H and Canada, and tl..' s..ttl.n..nt < f all .j>uh ?i,m«..f diff.-ni..fl»tw..... the tvn(r...ntn.s Hiis &atl.,."dl visit tl... rnit.. tliiit apix'aro.l ou the :!r.l of Iv ii. tl.f Montreal "(laz.tt.; O th ^ -i o'tirml stan-m.-nt of 1U." <}ovomn..'ni ^, pi'>- ,...sals. and wby they wimv made : Tn vi.-w .,f the in.I-.rtance ..f ti... n^asonn wl.icli hav.. i .,uc.d the(i..v. mi.i.nt t..MI.I>.',d to t,..- -o,", rv ^ t i, !. Hn...--('e...nd to tl... S.-r.Hary ..I Mat., oi. 1 . C ^. nes sh.lwinK tl.e nature of t "•.<■;-■■•"■;:'■ ^^ ■o.MHals eothe rnit.-a Stat.-s. an.l mdicat nj,' tl e • ust les re of tl... A.ln.i..i.t..ati.m for tlu; 'Ir"-''!^.'!'- n,™; of trade betwe.... tl... Unit.-d States an.l Ca..ada. Now. Ml- SDoakiT. 1 ^voula in.iuiiv. if tins oUu'ial stat.-nu>nt ^j'S, ,";'.'\..,,, ". spiivd by the 0..v.-fu,non . 1-^ ^^/ '"" ih\K Govcmincnl or^iu to liave nn !£nal^'r.ateh which cotd.l ottly hav. boon .d.iainod ihr..u<-'h Iho .-onnivanoe of tho fr.n- Inln.ont. by Iho c..nso,»t ..f th. J "ve™;: ;;^. jind bv iho pfii.iai-y aoti.m of th.> (")<"' r.ont V \Vh..n Ihi. .luostion was nndor dis^ !,"i..n a f>-w days a.,',>. th.' Mim-t.-f of J St c,> said in .'xplanation of Ibis sratomonl th-ii tho '• Enn>iro " ha.l this d.-spatch fr.>n !ho •• ( 'utada Caz «tto." Th.> 'Vanada < az,.to oontanis no su.li dosi.afh b.-txv.vn tho L.tli D.vonibof. tho .lato of th.- .losiiateh. and tho 'ArO. of r..bniary. tho datv- of <■■ ' 'J^r';'^"''' Th.^ statomont nia.lo by the Mnnstor <.t Jitstieo siiir^'oslinK that tho Toronto '-f^nipuv _ took this despatch from tho '•Canada ♦^^''-'-'''t WIS niisl.>adinu. an.l must hav." boon pni- posrlv niislotidinir, boc-inso it doos n"- and I ask Iho :Minisnn- of Finance If ho will boar out to-day The statomont mad.' hv tlio IVliaistor of .Tustic- on that occasion, that this uAsnateh of tho i:ith D..ceraber. ISMO was taken bv the Toronto '• Kmplre froni the "Canada Oazotte." and was obtain- od in tho usual ooui'so of an .-xaminati.ui ot iho Oovommont publications, or wbeth.vi- it was fumisho.l by the (lovernmont to tisat paper for tho purpose' of carrying': forward a scheme of deceplian ? H.-r.- istho , .-spau-h as it appeared in the •'Empire of 4th I'OD- niary : 1 Renewal of tl..- reripmcity treaty of 1K54, with th. ,nodit>ationH r-.i-.ire.-ne8 an.l w.th the .ext«..H ons ,l....„„Kll.vtl.e....n.n,i>M.,n to »>. .n the mteiests .,f Cai.aila and tl... Cit.-.l Stat.-s. 2. R..i.onMi,l..rati..nof th.- treaty of 1HH.H, wuh re- .K^t t.. the Atlanti.- tisheri.*, with tl... a.n. of »..cur- „« the fr.... a.l.nisMi..n into the i:n.t..h.rn...n to buy baa an.l H..ppli..^ an.l to tran^h... .ar^.^'s .n Can-U, all ■I l>r!'t.'..tio„ .-f n.a.k..r..l and otl-r ti.h.^r...H on the GOVKKNMEST HOIHK. Ottawa, 13th L>e..'.nib.'r. !*«). MvLoRn,-. have the honour to send t.', ^'"'": j^„r,^4,:„ todav a teletrranhi.! niessaire in cipher, nt w.hich tlie following is the substance. With reference to n.y teL^Rraiu of the PHh mst., this Covemment is desirous to prop.>s.. a joint c.nn- tnission. such as that of 1871, with authority to deal with.iut linutati.n. and to prepare a treaty resj^cting the following subjects :— VthinticVHean ami in inlan.i wat. is; als.> 4 Keiaxati.-n of H..a-lx,ar.l ...astinK laws of the tw.. c.iuntri.s. . , • .. ,. tu-.^ 5. K.iax.ati.a. ..f th.- coastarr a»s .,. t"' '«" .onntries on th.< inlan.i waters .lividing Canada fn.n. the liiit.il Stat.'s. , , .i. Mutual salva^.. an.l saving ..f ^vr-k..t ti.ai was l,a,;..a on s,,leinn assuranc.s piv..n •>> tl.. X:!^f:mndla,.d (iov..rnn,.;nt two or thr..- yea-^ =vg.^ •ind r..peat..d .>ii suec.ssive occasions, that il .ii.> "p:;iai'privii..g..s w..re ""'-> '1 "-"^ -"1^^^ ,';,:;: .4r.l to 1... purchase ..f supp i.s ..r '''^'t'-V^' "'.',' K,,,l su.l. privil.'g.s w,.ul.l also I... gran ..I t..Can:Kla. ;:a;S-,±:v:iXrw;t:d:,p^^ ;i;.;r;ii:;x:d^'i:r;nv:.:;:!:^in;:m^i^a:'vi 1; f i- i !. ..vlr;.n...nt,hA.,..,p.a,ask..dtl.eli,.!..r,a a^^^^^^^^^^^^^ •ills to •.mind Mr. lUain.. that Canada ha.l alvavs nii.s o ... ;,.,.,„.,,,.■,„ ■! .irn'...".!!''!.! ami ha.l '"■■■'; '7': : ;: , V ■ " '. . .-ib'^, ^^i-h. l.ow..^er, 1;:;:m: r^io, :; -.-fus.! l-y ti;. i;nite,lStat.-s. i; w- . urth;" r..pi.es..nt...l that th.. Dotnu.u.ii Covenv- 1 . t «'"willi..gl now that '>v-tnr,.s 1^.1 been ma e to th.iu. to again negot.at.-. and ' "^^ /'iV.^ •"' nr..i, .■ thit thes.' n..got.at..)ns should b.- ..ttic.al .u.u Cler a con.n.issi.,n^fro... tl„. V.ritisl. tiovennnent. Vow Sir, the elections were brought on, the M ni^ters took tlio field, aoid let us se.- what iS mt.M-nuces were upon ^"'^^ .^^^^^ with retrard to this matter. My chaige, yon V b^ar in mind, is that tho Government woiv all the time holding out inducomeius to the c.n itry that they coiUd obtam re- ."nrocity iJiev were asserting to the counm- hat the United States had made overturee. •md the United States being anxious foi a ■tre'itv there would be no dirticulty upon thm pan m Obtaining one. On the Ttb l^^rr^^T •I ureat mass meeting was held m ^-oroma Tlvit meeting was addre.ssed, among oilier s, eikers: bv the Minister of Customs, M • Bowell bv the Minister of Finance, Mi. l?,^sto% bVthe Minister of Justice, Sir John 'Thompson ; and Sir John Thompson In tho Icotirse^of that speech, made some reference t,° "his matter which I beg to trouble the House with, as I deem it of importance in conuectton with thi-j case. He said . A little over thrw mnnths am* it traimpirpd thai npffotiatKinH wen- b»-inK entertained Ijy t(i<- I'nite'l Stiitps for thf niiikinK of u treaty of reciprcnity witli the colony of New foimillind. These ncifotiiitic. as havB no*- yet ri|»iie »ith that loimtrv, and not, niinonse to that, .Mr. IMaiue, \yhat( ver his ^ -u.-Mnents ;uay lie .-uwl J am Umnd for ti.e iiresei't to give him credit for candour— as the negotiations with Xewfoundland W(,u!d not suit tlie Dominion of Caiuula for a trade treaty hetween the.se two coi.ntrie. , he was willing to mak<- a wide treaty for reciprocity joid enter up<.n .s.-paiate iU''(jtiations with her. (Hear, hear.) Th.it sratement Ixing made. We are lioiind to avail ourselves of that to extend our traiie. We have ne\er declared our unwillinguess to trade with them. On the contrary, we are seeking extensions of trade in every direction. 7'he next ' re(|uest from .Mr. JSlaine was'that jireparatory tone- j goti.itious lieiug eutere 1 upon. We would propound a • ■asisnpfin whieh the convention shouM eventually! ■roceed. W e did so in a docuuieiit wlacli has lieeii i published in the juess, ottering to consider the re- newal of a reciprocity treaty of lS.'i4, with such modi- tications as the altereil circiimstancesof the two coun- tries might call for. We .asked him to reconsider the alxirtive treaty of ISS8, which .settled the fishery dis- j pute along with trnde ((ue.stions, and wliich expr'e.s.sed our willininu'ss likewise to enter into trade negotia- tion^ which would settle the Hehring Sea difficulties ! and all (juestions uixin the .Vtlantic coast with i-egard to tisheries, and to continue the coasting and wreck- ing liusines.s as well between the countries. Now, < Sir, a g(KKl deal has been said to the people of Canada ■ .about the insincerity of all this. Jt is stateeausethemen witli whom we we. e nego- tiating would know, that instead of Uing there with the confidence of the country beliind u.s, w.- hiwlto anktlie .assent < f a I'arham. nt w liich liiul already kikmU itx > last session U-fore the negotiations had jiractically commenced ( Me.ir, hear, and cheers.) We woiihl have the (Joveriiiiient eiiteriir.; u|)on the mo8tim|Mirt- aiit treatv -'egotiationti without a Parliament Uhiml us, and what we would pro|...,e is that, if you and the lH-op!e of Canada accept the p.ilicy 'hat we put liefore you now, we will g:) f. Wasiiington with the Parlia- ment behinil us, and we will be alih- to treat with .Mr P.l.iine with the assurance that the Premier of this i country has the renewed confidence of Canada. (Loud applause.) Now, Sir, \\hat iuference was to be dniwn froai that snoech of Sir John Thompson wi;h lolVf'iicn to tho reci|»rocity (uu>«tlou and nef,'ot«xtion.s at Washington ? Did ho not j)lainly stnto that overtures wore had from Mr. Hl.iiiit' ■; Did he not i)l.il:ily state that In iiiu-suancii of tho.se overture.^ th«? (}ov«>ni- nioiit were pi-opo.sinjj to send their oom- mi.>. Wjt.sliiiij,ton ? Did he not plinnly .-tate that the prospects for a reciprocltj- treaty wre .so good that It w.is advLs.nhl'e lor the tiovemmont to dissolve Parhanient, have a new election, and eall a new House I fresh fi-otn the people, so that this treaty that the (Jovernnient hoped to ni'gotiate with Ihe iuithorities at Washington could be laid hef.iro reprasentatives fresh from tho people, and not lioforo a moribund House ? T as.sert that the course of the Government, that tho language of the meniliers of the Uov- erninent, that tho whole of the policy pur- stied by the Oovemnient In regard to this <:nestion was a policy .leslgnelievo tlint they wer(> about to obtain reciprocity, and that the protnises of the Lib.Tal party A^ith regui-d to this matter need not be en- tertainefl. for while the Lil)orals Av<'re tell- hiu' the people that they would secure re- ciprocity sometime in the future, if they came into power, the Government had iv- t il.rocity in their hands, and In order to havo a ncAV I'arli;>.t\ent rcaO.y to sanction tho t;-eaty tlfey were alwiit to make they were hol'liiig a general election. There can be no queslion about that. If the impression pre- vailed in the country, as it assuiMly did, and if this Impression was not well foimded. If the Government were not actually on the liiie of obtaining reciprocity, as the people were told and as they allowed their press and orators to assure the people, then, were the Government not pursuing an invidious and improper course in laying the case lie- fore the people, as Sir .Tohn Thompson did at Toronto, In permitting their organs and orators to talk about obtaining reciprocity and declaring that the m;\tter was safe In their hands, when .all the time the Oovem- ment. although they sent commissioners Washington to submit proposals, knew their proposals would b« rojected and could rn>t uwlor any rlrciun!*tm;c4»s lie accpptod. nisy know this from Mr. Blaine's letter of SOth January, In whlfh he dlHtlnctly stated that propositions of that character could not for one moment ho entertalntHl by the United States Government. They knew from the whole hlf«or>' of the fact<« slnw 1800, when the reclprooilty treaty In natural pnxlucts was abrogated, that the deolamtlons of the Amorlonnfl on everj' oe<'aiSlon had been that no wK'h treaty wrmld be n'liewtd, that the Unlt«l States agents wo\ile able to slmw that tho i Government In tho pursuit of this plan -which j they adopted vlolatel the confidence of the Washingtou Goveniraent, that they made known the fact and had It talked alK)ut that reciprocity negotiation.^ were In pixigros-s, when It viTis distinctly understood, and an explicit plegotia- tlons should not l>e known or allud«l to until the preliminary negotiations or conferences or talks had t:\ken pl.ace between the commi.^sionei's or agents from Canada with members of tho Washington Ad- miuistratlou, and it had been decided Av'ietlier there was any possibility of effecting a treaty or whether It had been de)nonstratee wdling to resiMind to yiiiir r«pii-Ht "to have a full but private conference with the liritish Minister and one <»■ more agents from Canada, and go over every liointof iliffer- ence, and consider every subject u|ion wliicli a mutiml int**n'st could 1m* foiitidf'd. " If an agreement is reiu'lied, all well ; if not, no offi- cial mention is to 1* iiimle of the effort. ".')lM>veall things, it is im|x)rtant to avoid {mblic reference to the matter. "This the I'resiilent will insist ui>on " Wliile no notes were excliunged l)eiween us I care- fiillv minu'ed my moditication of the j-aper you left with Jiie c( ntaining Lord Salislmry's pioi>osition, and (lid so inin ediately after you left the department. You will obserke the )iri\ ate character wliieli I wished to impart to the coufereiite is recognized by you amonth later in your note of 27th .laiiuarv, when you called the corris|M)ii(Ieiice "confidential. In view of the fact tliat you had come to the .State Departii.ent with the proiKisals, and that the subject i was then for the first time mentioned Ix'tween us Not a proposition from Mr. Blaine, but Sir Julian Patmc<^fote had come to the State De])artment with the iroposal. and the sub- ject was then for the first time nienitioned i)etweeii them. — and in view of the further fact that I agreed to a private conference as explained in my minute. I con- fess th.at it was ,a surprise to me when sexeral weeks later during tlie Canadian canvass. Sir .folm Mac- donald and Sir Charles Topper, Ixith stated In-fore ' public asseml)lages that an informal discussion of a reciprocity treaty woul<' take place at Washington after the 4tli of March, by the initiation of tlie Secretarv of State. 1 detail these facts beoinse I deem it important, since the matter lias l)een for .sfmie " 'eks open to jiublic remark, to liave it settled tliat the conference was not " initiated " liy nie, but on the eoiitniry tiiat the i>rivate i:'Tangement of which I sjnike was Imt a moditication of your propisal and in no sen->- an original suggestion from thetiovernmentof thel'iiitetl .States. With this explanation it only remains for me to s.ay ; that gentlemen reiiresenting the Dominion of Canada ' and pro]H>sing to discuss the commercial relations of the two countries may \m- assured of a courteous and ; cordial reception in Washington by the Uoveniment of the United States. There Ls the statement of Mr. Blaine, a most explicit statement, and a most damaging statement to the CanacUan Oovomiuent, if that statement L^ true. Is there any c-onfinnation of that statement ? Let us see if there is any men tion made of the stajtement by any of the parties Interested. Sir Ch.arles Tupper, Mr. Foster, Mr. Bowed and Sir John Thompson •wont to Washington, and this letter fmm the Secretary of Steite of the United States to Sir Julian Pauncefote was laid TWore Sir Charles Tupper. And what did Sir Charles say about It ? In his communication to Sir John Macdonald. 21st April, 1891, Sessional Papers, 1891, volume 24, No. 38, page 07, he says . I told Mr. Blaine in reference to these charges, that I wished at the outset to recognize the accuracy of the statements contained in his letter to Sir JuUan Paunce- f«)te, which I hkcl i«nt in rpference to the initifttion of the iieKcitiation* nyanlintf tht! recipr<«ity arratiKe- nu'titM lietWffti the two coiiiitrien. ^at Is what Sii- Chnrles Tiipper told the Hon. Mr. BLUne : That ho wished to recoR- nize and acktiowlodgo the acoinu-y of this Htnteint'nt made in Mr. Blaine's letter to Sir i Julian Paiincefote. That was simply an acl;aient on the part of Sir Cliaries Tupper, ^hat he and that Sir Jolin .Ma<retary Blame ; and hi acMiiion to that, tliey liad made false representations, becaiuse they had sUifed tliat the negotlatloas were initiated by the ^Va8ll.intfton autlioritics, xvhon the express declaration of Mr. Blaine. wlU^h was .sanctioned and confli-med by Sir Charles Tupp-r, was : That these negotlaUons had been initiated by Sir Julian Paiincefote, and tlmt for the first Ume they had boen re- ferred to, when he called upon Mr. Blaine in refcrenco to thi> matter. Now, lot us see, Mr. Spealvor, whetlier there Is any other evideiiee upon this point. I have lieru a :Mimite of Coiuicil. pass tho frr.> adini«ttm of Can«.li»n ««hery producti. into ^ hemarlceai. and on the inland watenu ^. I he relaxation of tiie co*«ting Uwh of both conn- triehon thenealKMrnl. vii««iu 5. The relaxation of the cxtuifmg lawn of both wmn- tries on inland waters U-twe.tn the United SUU* and L/unncia. ^H. The mutual halvage and navingr of wreckcxl ves- :. Arrantfements for the delimitation of boundary Ix'tween Alu-.ka and Canarla. Such treaty to 1h.. of course. u,l refernidmii. U-v <^"'"""".*" "'sptctfully submit thi« minute for Ills hxci-Uency n sanction. {%d.) JOHN J. MeOKK. T,. .h„ \i ui Cl:rk, Privy Council. to the Hfmourable The .Minister of Marine and Fisheries. IlEPoKTuf .a Comniittee of the Hoiiouralile tlie Privy Council, approved by Hi.s Kxcellency the Gover- 1«!W '""*"'' Council, on the l«th December, ». 'l'''!' Coiiiniitteo of tlie Privy Cuncil having learne-l that the Ifoiiourable the Secretary of State for the Lnited States, h;!.l expressed to H*er .Maj.stys Min- ister at \\asliinKton, his readiness to negr)tii'ito for a reciprocity treaty on a wide basis, and particularly for the protection of the mackerel fisheries, and foV the hshirus on inland waters, and had sulw,- cmently stated to Her M,.jfsty-s Minister his great desire to conclude .a reciprocity treaty, they desire to take the op.s.rtumty afforded by these intimations fn>m Mr. blame of suggesting tlie expediency of t.ak- ing early ste|>s toadjust the various matters that have arisen pnd now exist affecting the relations of Caniula with the Unitwl States, or rather the relations lie- tween the (Toveriinient of the United States and that ot the Lfnited Kingdom on questi.Kis affecting Canada the most obvious means of caiTying tliis object in- to effect, would Ije the apiH,intment oi a Joint Com- mission as in 1S71. The Committee of Council desire to siig"-est that such commission siiould b.- autiiorized to rleal with all such questions without limitation jw to range of dis cussion, and to prepare a treaty or convntion as to such of those matters as tiiey may come to an agi-ee- ment iijion. Tlj^i!""'^'''*' *"^J'*'^* f""" discussion would appear i 1. The renewal of the Reciprocity Treaty of 1&j4 '• subject to such modifications as the altered circum' ' sUnces of both countH.-. require, ami to .such oxtcu- - sions as tlie commission may deem to be in the in- terest of the United States and Canada. ;„„.?* ';rcon8ideration of the treaty of 1888 respect- ing the Atlantic fishenes, w.th the view of effecting Sir, here is a formal Minute, wldch repeats the assertion which Mr. Blahie deidcs, namely, that the Washington authorities had stated to Tier Majesty's >Unister their preat desire to conclude a reMproeity treaty with Canjida. while the trutli was, that Sir Julian Paunce- fote, under the direction of his (Jovemment prompted by represtmtiitlons from Ottawa* had himself jjoue to (h' Hon. .1. G. Blaine and h.-id hUtlated the proceedings, by pro- posing to opon negotiations for reciprocity, and Mr. Pdaino liad told him tlien and there that it was useless to .submit a proposal for V^iPr^V^ ^'■*^"'y ^'u ^hc basis of the treaty of lSi>4, tliat, in fact, he would not submit such a proposal to the Ppeeident at all, but that a private conference coidd be held to see if some common basis for aiuTeenient as to llioir views might b(. arrived at ; and that .statement made by Mr. Blaine, which is directly contrary to the affirmation of this Minute in Council and to the statement made i»y th(« .Ministers upon tlie hnstln^rs. was afterwards continued by Sir Charles Tupper at Washington. WTion the letter of Mr Blaine to Sir Julian Pauncefote was brought to his notice, he acknowledge*! that the st.itements of Mr. Blaine were true, and that he had been guilty of a breacli of confidence and that Sir John Mactlonald. as well, had been guilty of nuikhig statements which were not warninted by the facts. Now, Sir I come to the consideration of statements made by the ilinlster of Finance. On the 11th December, 1892, the Miidster of Finance granted to a newspaper (tlie "Empire") re- porter an Interview with reference to the Me.ssiige of the President of the United suites, and in that interview the Minister of Finance made this statement : I need not say that it causes surprise and regret- surprise at the nature of .someof the statements made and regret at the unfriemllv tone ad-Dt-d »r."ard" Canada. The statement that Canada Was only pre - l.ared o offer to the United States the admisjion^f natural prmlucts ,s not full eno.igh to conveyTa^ curate idea of what took place. The Canadian renre- sertatu-es asked those of the United States if t^y wiT«> fin-jNirwl to c«iimiil«r an HmHi«<"iiient on the Inmih of fret- •dmiiiHii n of the natural iinoluotN of tiotli countries, m In th« tn^aty of IHM, with niuh enlarge immtH and modifications lut the <-hanfred conditionM of the two countries iiiade neceiwary. The reply waM a neK*''**"- With a view, then to ch-ar the l^oiuuI for arranKeincnt wider than that, if nuph could h«< done, Mr. Blaine was a;tked aa to certain conditions f)f a |Mmi«i)>ly wi«ler HmtM^enient, auiouK otherd, whether the Unit«^ Stat<-H would inHint u|Hin a uniform tariff and would demand ^)referentinl treatment in our iiiarketn as a^aiuHt U.'itiHh ami foreign ifiaNN. The aUHwer was tnat a tiniforni tariff woulil U- n>Ke»Har>' and that, too, on the line of theprewnt I'niteil Staten tariff, and that the I'niteil StateH could admit of no arranifenients wliioh did not (five I'nited States (fiKifls favour»Hl treatment an aj^iiuMt foreijjn (JinmIm, eM|)ecial- ly tlioxe of (treat ISritiiin, who wan their chief comi*- titor. To theHe pro'KiHitioni* the Canadian repreHenta- tiven d«>clined to aifree. The coiifereni'e then bi-oke off HO far an r»'(faro«silile treaty. Hero is a distinct assertion niaiio by the Min- ister of Fiuiinw. tliiit till' llnltotl Stiitcs ,iu- tlinrities required as a preliminary, as a condi- tion to a reciprocity treaty, a uniform tarilf, and that, too, on tht* lines of tiie present Uniied States tarlir. Tliat was the assertion made by tlie Minister of I'lnanee in tJds Interview on lltli December. Now, tliis Interview was lircuKlit to the attention of Secretary of State Foster at Wasldn^on on tlie foliowing day, and lio reviews ali the points taken up In the* interview. I shiUl only refer to those matters relatuif? to reciprixity. In lilA revi(!W witli reference to the reciprocity negotiations, Sec- ivtary Footer of Wasliington says : l)uriiij?the recipnK-ity conference of List winter, Mr. Blaine did not insist tii it in a reciprocity :irraiit?e- nient a uniform tariff would lie necessary for Initli Canada and the United States, nor much less, that it should Ik' on the lines of the present I'nited States tariff. Ho did ask that the schedule should not Iw contiiied to natural protlucts, hut should include an afH'eed list [not an unliiuited list, hut an agieed listj of iiianufactuo'd giHxIs, and that the reciprocity should 1m> confined to Canada and the United States : and Uicause of these two conditions the negotiations were fruitless. Now, here is a direct issue between the Jlin- Ister and the Secretary. If Si'cretary Foster of the United States is rlglit. Minister Foster of Canada Is wrong ; if .Minister Foster of Canada Is right, Secretarj' Foster of the United States is wrong ; one or the other is mistaiien. There may be an intentional misrepresentation ; there may be merely a misvmderotanding. I think I will be abh; to show that the probability is that there is merely a mlsimderstanding. The difference is an imfortunate one. It is greatly to be regrettwl that some record of the proceed- ings of that conference, attested by both parties, was not published. Then there could have been no question of fact or veracity, and no doubt as to the truthfulness of the reconf. There is one thing, perhaps, that might milltiite against Secretary Foster of the United States, In the estimation of my lion, friend the Minister of Financa St^iretary Foster Is a rresbyteriaii eltler, and I believe the .MlnUt'-r of Fhunce is not. and lia>« a great * Foster an imtnistworthy witness. \o\v, Mr. Speaker, 1 jiropose to make an extract frrmi thi' correspond- ence i)uldlslied and laid on the Table of this House on the 7th day of Maivli —the ofticiaJ statement of tlie C'anndlan (lov- emnient relating to the negoti.itloas which t(K)k pla^e at Washington with reference to rtH'iproi'it.v ; and I think I will be alile to establish that the dllTerence In regard to a uniform tariff on the lln.-s of the rnlti\l States taritV arose very nattiraliy, and was probably simply a misunderstanding, anid nothing more. This report says : .Mr. Foster went on to say that a thinl nuestion an>se at this jKtint which was in its way not li-ss im- ]Kirtaiit than the two alri'afjy discusscl ; namely, granted that discrimination in favour of T'nited .States' manufactures in the vjiiiatlian market was necessary, how should the standard of discrimination l>e fixcil, and uh.'it should Im' i'sdcjjn'e? Would the Canadian tariff have to 1h' raised to an equality with that of the United States tariff ui"in these articles, or would the present ( 'an:vdian tariff iw .iccepted as sutHcicnt, or would Canada be at liberty to fix the rate as and when she pleased, provided that the prin- ciple of discrimination were always luaiiitainedV He took the items of wolicy w.as one of large protection on wimiIs as well as wtKillens. I'nless such IKiints were guarded there would lie noseciiiity on the one li.ind from siiiiig|..' ?237,OOO.0OO, in 1801 it w^: Afa^VTi^'f,"'* ■" TV- «'*«*23tateS pan:L;S'L^r^--£K su.f s.,«,srs"er^^^^^^^^ r?he Zr^e^'thi:;""' ''''"' ™«^ b^someUdng ri^sTiSS"^ ^^ dlplon^tl^^SSnc'el nffl r'.7'''.T *" ''"" attention to Mr. Blaine's ai.fl was antifipatH, I thinlc jX l,im Ln-1 K ""*' iithrr fli/.i. ,.>,»(.. I t i-""""iK, oy niin ana by every s ip,.f ^ '^•'' '^^'''••'can who had conaidered th^ rr s iU:tas'„rr'T f '• '"■sit "" t he Canadmn Government, in view of its p^it .m.H oCntri^s'^lr^'i^r"""'" '"*■• '^"^'^ "f "'h^" Kmpirrth.fdid^rtta; ir^'m-irt t^or'^a dud'd. "^ «■•-' Britain and its eoIonJeTshould'T ev It is not for this Governmenc to anrue against fK?. Se-reTSLoL^^-lTirinfS'th^^^^^^^^^^ ^^y^'^rtire-;*; P-a^^ a^il".J^ - It J^T inl: Domi^iot'""'"'* ""'""■" *»•« United Statfs and the And Mr. Blaine, In his communication, says : This Ua-that is, the fact that there was recinro 10 forwarded by it to the British Goverr^nu-nt against The «,mjn.««one^-H ^^^^^^^ the raUh^at-L of th.action of the - <.n>al .n.n.j.tHr » /^^ Un.^d i^^^^t^njoul ^ „,anuf.vtur«l g ^ten 1 tlie same favours to th.. manuf.ictured goods of Xr countries not parties to th. treaty on the.r nitro- For the opening of forn.ai negotiati.ms in this copy | '»H;;;|;;';.:",*" ^j'v^'.Tlhe.n v';.h that it was the desire ...• for a tre.-.ty einhnvc-inp conunercial ^'l'^'^; > /, ^ ; ^be ;, ' nnient of tlie Unit...! Stat.s to make a Cana >" >••■ "■•.■■j'";, "^ i • ,.^ i... .,,ii,iurned till an.it her coiif Tcuce, to enaiue cusse.l. 4is ba^is was a..cept..l by J'';; ' '^^^-^.M- ^ ! -\. \; ' Zult as to the curse whicli they w..uld ster and the D..minior Covernmeiit, but foi v. nous , tie foregoing d.^'Iaratuin. Reason, of i.mvenience t. thememb..rs -f * '^, I'l-"!--'' | '«' l'\ " ^ ,;,.!,„.,, „f tlu- Uth the C.n.duin c..inm.8- Srence it .li.l not tak,. place until 10th Vebn ary , ^k - n^.;,,^^,^,,,, ha.l given careful consideration wl-.en the British .Mn.ist,.i pr. ^ente.l to "_»■. J^* t ■ De «J^' ^ .,,, t^,,,, that manufalV'""7r , toi'n ai ec n^ t" ct- vt'It^m. and t.. th.-lesire expresse.l L.y and H.m. Mackenzie Bowcdl,Min.s.T..f C.usto us as I recM.,H^iy^^^^ ^,^^ ^.^^.^^^^ ^ t, t such c."mmissioner8 on the 1«^" "f the ( ..vernniei . l^^^^ „,^ ^,„.^ intro.huti.m nto Canada Dominion of Cana4. I did e\- pect at tinios that the (Jovevu.uent would claim they meant that they NV.-re willing to of revenue. 1 f any considerable Is of »""/ '^^ ^''^^ .roo.ts«f theluited Stat.s s ...ul.l h.- a.liu tci tree bito Canada, it would .ntail a material los. t. the dini..n Tt;-asurv, an.l if th.>same f^-'"^-;;;;,^", wise extended to the merchan.lise of ..ther ' "^"^8 the loss of revenue w.ml.l In- mu.li greater. I h<-y felt t at liey wouW n,.t b.. able to re.oup these l.sses by ot er metli.Kls ..f taxati.m. In the second plivce. it seeme Ito b.. hnisissible f..r th.- ( 'anaduin U..vernnient. tZt li Its ,.r 'sent .«>>it,ca, i.lati.ms.ndoljhg^^^ Claim they meant that they Nvre wmin;,' ^-^ i "' view .. its preseiM^^^ a^t?on I do not think th.it I ever heard i ..f the I the assertion made; bill .'xpwti>d at times thrt it x^ould l>e made, as the lunbf^nity of , tlie languaije left room for doubt. Mr. ( Blaine tlu-ows li^iht on tl>'> -ub.i><-t. Hi^ seems to have been troubled also Mith a Uttle curiosity on tne subject, and he siiys : In answer to an inquiry, the c^mimissioners st.at.d troods. little, if any )iior(> exteiisi\e, than the list eml)rao4>8 which cotild have receixed pre- foreiitial treatment in the markets of tJanada willKuit Kreat injury to Kritii l> tnide in this eoimtrj-. We import a ,i;re;it variety of articles from th(- Ignited States ;ilmost exclusively. We lni{)ort eoal f)il, barbed wir(>. agricul- tnirnl implements, locomotives, ears, steam threshers, axes. spades and a sreai variety of tools an.l (,ther manufaetury. and we amid have .suj.'a:e.stett(>r opportunities are aflfonhMl now that the Deiuo- ! era tic Administration is in power. 1 roiieat ! that the (Jovenmient trifled witli the inter- \ ests of this country, they decilv(»d the proposition iiuido by the Americui authorities, the rea- sonable pi^>p(,sltlon, inviti.ug theia to make a pn)p necessary to lia\f a uniform taiitf etween the parties is explaineous treaty, where the advantages lu-e reciprocal (K>t\voon the contracting parties It we ob- tam access to that market, we have got ^) f-'ivo them aooess to some extent to mr i market, and it should be the wire of the (Tovemmoit to ascertain if that can be done: when hivited to make a nroposition thev buould be roady to make one ; they should endeavour to secure a treaty. They did not endoavour to do that In 1891 and In 1892 • they aiade no effort to get a treaty ; their whole course warrants me in asserting that they did not desire to make a treaty Tliat WIS not their object v/hen they went to Washington. ITieir purpose was to decelv«» the countiy during the el.«ctlons. In order to deprive the Liberal party of the advant- age that an appeal to the country in favour of reciprocity, woidd naturallv give them Their object was to deceive the people, to niiUie ther.; beUeve thrt the Conservative party were as favourable to reciprocity and as likely to obtain It, as the Liberals wore Then, when they obtahied power, they went to Waslilngton ostensibly to cirry out the purposes they professed to have in view, but actually to block tho road to obtaining reciprocity, and they did do this by making iiroDosala that wen- not admissible, ask- ing for things that were unattainable : and thoy came back to the people of this .ouuiiy i.i-of..*!lng to have met difflculties tU.it (lid not oxlst. and now they are dis- (TeditLMi as to their truthfulness and tholr lu.n.-sty to^\•ll•ds ih<. people, by tlie revela- tion of fapt.s that has .subsequently been made x ,, .^ 167 should ey did not 1 In 1892 ; aty ; their jrting that aty. Tliat ■ went to to deceive In order le advaiit in favour ive them, pi'ople, to riservatlve •ocity and •als were. ;hey went ' out the view, but obtaining; y making bio, ask- talnablc ; p of this lifflcnltleB are dis- ind tholr e revela- tly been