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Tl %Y Tl w M di ar bfl ri| re m QAdditionel commenta:/ Commentairea supplAmantairea: Paget 2 and 3 are glusd togatlier and alto page 62. Thia item ia filmed at the reduction ratio checked below/ 10X wuin ■ni ■ n Til ma ■ 14X u \uu X uv rvau ciiun 18X innii |UV G i*Q«a 22X 26X »X i / i 12X 16X 20X 24X 28X 32X ft ktails ■ du lodifier r una Imag* Tha copy filmad hara haa baan raproducad thanka to tha ganaroaity of: Douglaa Library Quaan'a Univarsity Tha imagaa appaaring hora ara tha baat quality poaaibia conaidaring tha condition and iagibility of tha original copy and in icaaping with tha filming contract apacif icationa. Original copiaa in printad papar covara ara filmad baginning with tha front covar and anding on tha iaat paga with a printad or iiluatratad impraa- sion, or tha bacic covar whan appropriata. All othar original copiaa ara filmad baginning on tha first paga with a printad or iiluatratad impraa- sion. and anding on tha iaat paga with a printad or iiluatratad impraaaion. Tha last rocordad frama on aach microficha shall contain tha symbol ^•^' (moaning "CON- TINUED"), or the symbol V (moaning "END"), whichevar appilM. L'axampialra film* fut raprodult grica h la gAnAroaitA da: Douglas Library Quaan's Univarsity Laa Imagaa suivantas ont AtA raproduitas avac la plua grand soin. compta tanu da la condition at da la nottatA da l'axampialra filmA, at en conformhA avac las conditions du contrat da filmaga. Laa axampiairaa originaux dont la couvartura en paplar eat ImprlmAa sont fllmAs an commandant par la premier plat et en terminant soit par la darnlAre page qui comporte une empreinte d'impreasion ou d'iiiustretlon, soit par la second plat, selon le caa. Tous laa autres exemplaires originaux sont fllmAs en commenpant par la pramlAre paga qui comporte une empreinte d'impreasion ou d'lllustratlon et en terminant par la derniAre page qui comporte une telle empreinte. Un dea aymbolas suivants apparaftra sur la darnlAre image do cheque microfiche, selon le cas: le aymboia — ► signifie "A SUIVRE", le symbole y signifie "FIN". Maps, plates, charts, etc., may be filmed at different reduction ratioa. Those too large to be entirely included in one exposure are filmed beginning in the upper left hand corner, left to right and top to bottom, as many framea as required. The following diagrama iliuatrate the method: Lea cartes, planches, tableaux, etc., peuvent Atre fllmAs A des taux da rAduction diff Arents. Lorsque le document est trop grand pour Atre reproduit en un aaui cllchA, 11 est fllmA A partir da I'angle supArieur gauche, de gauche A droite, et de haut en baa, en prenant le nombre d'imagea nAcessaira. Las diagrammes suivants illustrant la mAthode. rrata to pelure, 1 A 32X 1 2 3 1 2 3 , 4 i 6 u f t f,- to' #; ?« J'^'^H^ ON THE BUCKlltT. t OTTAWA, 5TH AmiU 1«98. 'tibials ^ untxilTBB OS* I-nrANCK (llr. fMO- i%^')j»otad liiiKt «ii tlomm vmolrtltwut yiiDf ^mmtfUfm to eoM^lnr oi tlw W*|» and liiiil Ikxr vfUdiig tiie miwV^ '■^ «|!Muftted ]Mr««M:^ Ir|iB4ioiiu)-^,llf. SsMtdr, fin ^J ttltirw mtt fip^m 14to CtMir, Md beion eoo- tttdtng mw mif^w:^ I i^^lOL 1M«M. ^DIma tbe ^*«1»|» oi tfi» fiTMM 41 Mrttp of iiMK>liitlons to Wkkfk tt I* wr 4ialr* to tettif tbe «Mbd- tlfiilfc Ml ^ali OMLTMV afo, iiiiigifr «lr- #1«^ jftaibiitm wmmA tiw (ipear tji.,' 'I mh f ifl =igb or «pi iMWwft of •i»*i»,eiT. tiwjt^, of %9H^Mt ttf wMi « jiBM« Of $ia»^ OM o< oono Inpo! 1^ JIM bto- iMMMLniar, flmt liuiiuid MWfu)- f ap iw» tM I b*iT«.ap^ if!0«ttdk on #Itlli t«'etiM^(»tv|Ri|ft)^ iffwe'c^ #0 tear of ^.Z«taotttMt«dilto«« ^M: Foitovniig tlw tmtuA «iMft(WAi t gito ii» tatii of tb* WNmni, •» ^oittpiiiied wtl^ ass Otwt^qra., 19jMI«[ t»,83S,»ra ' im-vt. 1896M. »»t^378 tt^^Mii IM*JM f^' InereaM. ..t5^^■A*:c^' i.^^>i^ I- ■ ' -- • .1, %Y ■■'■■'■'■"■''■'■ ■^&'.:^>*;i*>=' TfTti!! 'W \ ^J<^t St fit:. >^5^^:: Si^' g**, »f ' Mint .1 1'"" ¥^1^' tollOWtDf >*•« • •• •••• •••« ••«• ••«• . •••• •••• •••• •••• ••••l •*•*• •••• •••• f««a •••••t MTlDg „.. FiUMjrgoodi OKM and inftUBfaototai 61 letter dot I. "I, Otls» coal, fcwowiw aid ptodiKta 'Cw •*•< •••• •••• •••• •««• •••• •••• •••• .•••• BtiflHr of all kinds .... ..»».. ..».. f^Mta a|id winta .... ««. •••• ..•• •<•• TqiNiMeo and iMikiiiaetmM( of l^WEflwVi •••* •••• •••• *»^i '•••• •«•• •• Ps tto ottmr kand. In, «kf followlnr antldM Mportant dacifw kata takan plaee In tb» Aiifm eotleotad, aa eampacad wltk tke pre- Tlona 9«ar.: Booka, ptriodleala aind otkar prtnt- ad natlu .... .•.. ..•••• .m... ........ H 16,8 T 1 Qraia ol aU Undi .... .» ..» 101,121 • i7.iaa 69,073 9,902 10,760 17,108 34,880 684,886 391,788 88,766 17,674 WimiJt and umI ot^ |tada .... ....; tOfS Oottoo, Bnaoaiafltuaa ol ./.. .... >.»' IBAi^ Flax, kMttp and Jvta, lataiialact- '^, Qxaa oi .... .•«. .... 9f9 .... .... ..«*.*.. Qv,j EVolt and nuti, dviad ..mi m*. —• .... 6a,l FniiC and irati, cram .... ,„<, .»• .»• ^«1( Ftm and tnamilaetw of .... — Sn^ll QloTai and mAtta Quite ptNba auod Sndla-ndrtMr, ntairalactunM of .... 11,4! Gold and flllTer, manaladtarw of.... lf,< Hati, eapa and koooiata.... •... ...» Iron and atael, and BMumfaotima Ol ..•. .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... Moaioal liwtiiiBiwiirta .... ,—» ...... OUs, all otkar tihan ooal, kno- WOCy IIJBttI* «*•• •••• atfa*'**** ■••• •••• •••• OIJ iBlotk ;... .... „. Pickles, «Riioai and eapen of all KIk 'QB ••»• ••*■ •••• .•••• ■••• •••• a«»t •••• silk, uannfaQtona of ......•• m .... Stona ana manniactaxea of .». .... 8,9: TtM dntalli (ot ttaa Insraaaa to azeiaa followa: U and 68,6i 13.0i 9,8 S to ^^•^ BaaM on tta ipapannaatli lontad Pollf llitboaaB ai ArUcka. M — (!T- Oigara Oioaiattea Tooaoeo and SnuiF.. .Qallo. .vLbs. . Not . No. . Lbfl. QaantitT, 1886. 2,344.767 61,690,278 108,290,260 80^1,90G 9,392,487 QaantitT, 1897. 2,782,614 68«443,363 113,276,106 93,798,000 10,690,766 Daty, 1896. $ 8,973,300 776,364 648,462 120,692 2,228,697 7,746,606 Dutv, 1897. 4,732/(06 l,02t»,662 678,029 166;i67 2,398,443 8,991,887 ianMSo teat iw«aB> »»•«., ittiia ' « IgMa and a • itfrasra and 769; mitolon land 361, bUe Work!, 29, 36^ nw main t 169, tke Intecai Ittki, pvkUt 1,246, eaoMa op tiakiad fa Spiritfl, Beer, Wine, Tobacoo, QallB. Galls. Oallfl. Lbe. '742 •666 •623 «728 $•722 3^471 3-628 8-469 ■089 •090 •070 •084 2-264 2-163 2-120 2243 ffte Mr eaptte eooanmptlon ot tbc lolloirtof artteka aanally teda a placa la ~ 18M ..«• X8I6.... 1886 .... 1897 .... It Wik\ ba aotleed tfapt there la uu «ppannt Inenaae to the er coinaldamble qnantitleB irera en- topM lor dVitj, nrkldk will v^t/MOr aJtost tilt yawtoption lor tka neoct yaar, ao tbat 4m 9|aNa wklflk akow an taeMaae, ratkar dtow an toanaaa to nwreantUi oparationa tluua to «a^ ooniotopflbn. ttt^ arevaca pik' aaptta e^nanmptloti iraa aa foUoara : — " rll hurt Tvar eona now to tka espendftnn of ^wn. i tm - . _ to aaj thi Befoaa vAaq to ttaa J tke appaia tcii ptadaeeaao laBflk I am fci? ' If , .Oall. 1-026 . do 2920 . do 180 I Wa year. Mr. VOSTEB. penditnra ol tka year, eait my kon. tell ma wkat amount of tbe Inem to tke Jvbllae atampa of 1898.97 Y Tke VmiSTEB OF FINANGE. I kfaiilTW will not Inelnded tkat to my atartanaot, kvfio aodtkrae ataall ba gAad to ifirri Mr to«Mr on. Tka ni ol itknt ji otBee reTenwa to tfaa piAUe aeeootatk mVbmo it to ganeral tenoa. I akaU fantoh tt Mli qn on if HM kon. gantlmaa daekaa. fced aa mnek Tka axpenditoia on coaM>ltd«ted wn i aonetodiiw reaebad 888,849,769, batof an inaBteaa uwJtS tt! fl.400,617 onnr tkM of tke pmvton* 7 ^iJ^ "7" Taktos up tka dateUa of tka o««toy, f J^itmir hi that to tka followtoff •ertton tfcwi to 'nrnte eLI toc^aaed e.p«llt«. : pr tollS?^ Dj*Moat on pubHe debt .... .... ...... fl4$,#*"**®'* ^^ Okarjpea ot nmnavemaot .... jni,| Stokto|r fimda .... 44,) Pramtom, dtoeonnt ant cBcekange.. 86,f (Mtitt fotamniaot ........ ., Adutatokcatton of Joatlea .... ,l!6J IKn»tolon PoHea i] LetWMitton .; .., „. JMo] iMa^i ^^-^■o-^^^K^og^^>-^ It koni naat, my iltkm (Sir tke n^^^%-^' J . vv^, " 'I ' l-f ' itaet- •••• •••• ■••• •••• iBUO' ot aU •••• •••• '^ I^Ott' •••* -V^**' **•• t*M 4»M^ •••*#• lUii^ •••* •*«• t«** •••• •••««• ••••» •••••» ••••«• •■«••• •*•••* •••••• •••• •«•••• •••••• «*•*•• ••«••• •••••• •••••• #» 5,141 _ «» otter band, then teir^i been d»- lOO.etnNt on tbe (oHOfWinv :•— 8,9fn .... ...••• •«^ak* %•«••« *f**** •*** SUTVCX *••#•« •••••* U*«»4 •«•« to ppovloow ••••••I ••••*■ •••■ VM » «- - s-isss •#■• •••• •••• •••• 12,506 lb»662 8,029 0,257 8,443 Inc tboQM and boaat Mrrice Mnflo ' iiHrtAvUtlOBS ••••••. ••«••• •«•• of the Novtb-wMt Ter» IjIMOm ...•••• ••••••/ 8,489 0,853 30,814 1,705 and mmkutm fad gaa ...• hlira7> «NDd Oanali, oollaetion.... 750,fiDinlon lamda 2fil,lUl6 Worm, eoltoctioa ...... 11,892 aSjnw ntain lneiraBaaa will be twmdt to be 10,107 0,448 0,150 100,685 8,492 1^7 1,245, tiw tnteaoat offloe, and eaoMB opeMtttng u tlieia eaaea wero tlataed tn my ni6arlu of the 32ted of rll )a0t jnsar, and are rafflciently well ixpendttnn of »wn. 1 owd not refer to them torCher [n to 99J that tbey am tbe dlreet result tiie appavent eeonomy aceompUMiad by pnd«eeMor to 1895-90, an economy, k I am Joatlfled ioMTteC wa« only lT«a will admit that Mt wa* tM« poaal- ^ eodtlnoe (the eacpendltiin isnUmltg- foing to tht ik my hon. m imtaammf» »0-97T ITANOE. I t, *•! OB. Tha , «eeoiiiD«ii Akin otiicr aide, by Vm remarlu tHey haTe ii tmaUk It Hie OB *haM anbjaeta, fMre treqwBtly/ ad- Ibedaemveb. iHdatafl wft^ aoaeladiag my oibaarraittlona lipoii tbe of thB flaeal year of 18904)7, end- tm ol itiMit yaar. •ItlN tha pHittoa»/J»tlt» SOtit of J«ne la«t, tot me espmw tbe oBtiay, X n Hm* my boto. Mcndh oftpoatta win Ik- 1i>*i* "I ua to eoBcratalata thtm on tbe %eiy |py fallnvi ot lom* ot tha TMr glofimy lietlona whleh ithaor made reapectlng ymat. It may ba. Kemambevad tibat In eloaing bonn of tbe fint aeaalon of thla amant, my hon. irtoad tbe leadir ql the ■itlon liO obllflaO to bmnow at laaat flO,- 000,000, and KM* I>POBld hmy to go on Mm money martat mMter, eondhOona' tin* wovM creator ^tomage our poMIe VNMb.' Thay will, I bope, be gmtlflad to Mm that dar- ing tbat eavreot yatr we did not have to go on tha general nwaay mmrkat «t aU; that oar total tcniponuy btAnfowIng, In tha nmal way of tivMawy bills, did not amoant to ten million doliaia or eTsn halt of teto mill- ion dollai«; and that tbe only borvirwing in whleh we tndolgad, 0T«r and aSttwrn tbt re- newal of a loan eoatraetsd by my predeees- aor, waa leas tiMB tbna miUlon dollars, and ttaab whan atf: a e ui bat qu eirt and proper ttna wa did proeead to plane a loan «b tha Lon- don market, lurtaad ot going wMb a daal- aged endit, as my boa. trtaids pndletad, wa weat andsr f aToiivaible eonditlana and inat with gratttfylng aoccaaa. Tbey also atatad tbat We wonld not tie able to oome out of tbe year's oparatleBs wtth a deOolt of toss than 88,950,000. Aa tofto as tlw month ot April last, my bob. frland tlm az-Mlniiter of FInanea modlpad bto ealeolatlon, bvt «T«n tbm he predloCad tiurt we eoQM not cxmie ont ot ttta yaai' with a dSfOcit ot MSB tban $3,000,000. Ha will, lam anxe, be glad to leam that w* eama out ot tbe year wtth a defleit, not of 88,350,000, not of $3,000,000, bat of tht modest anm ot $519,009. My bon. friend said .that In Hia lint yaar ot LIbMfal admH^ istmtloB w« would hare an ezpendlttifa ot at least foMy mUMon dollan. Be wtil be t^ma to toam, I hope, that tbe aspendl- tnia. of that yaar amovntsd to only $88,<- 849,709. My bon. friend said that he oovld fppaai with oonfldenee to the great arbiter, tlma« to decide, tbaaeaitags. WaU, the grSBt sSbMw / baa glTBB liMgmant, and has given Judgmattt ' agakwt my hoik, hrlcnd and in laTQWof tha AdSBlnlRtraitlaB. I snppose It wonM hf 1i(N| " mti«% to aotpast of my hon. tMend^. OMHtoli^ tha^ Ihey win take tha ebsntnl tIOw wMab we, «B«htoalde, are dtopoaad to tilnl of thi prospects of the cowtry under a„ I^bertl AdortBlstmtion. I sappose it to erslk MBi^ sibto tfnt toahr sanae ol daN^^mag^ Oiw- thsm to eonttmn to draw tbe sanie BlSlinlKMr pietura of tbs tntom under Llttaiia lai|a. We, on tfds alda, will baTS «o eoiBte «i». Mhrsa WMh tha though^ wheB^i^lk^ theae iOanslnif peadlatloas, tlMt t#tl„ tb» g^aat a»bMW| Will eooMana to dttldftj my Hon. MaaOs and la flwroar of ' A dM lB l SUi OU OBv frtn . ■ -nlft. m \\:M .Sill *"/.'■?>« "M ■■^ -■ '-'Urn m I^I'^.L, i^Mii:^: ■' A^C#5^J-' 't'^ *^'""- rd^-~rk^i^?&^.' ^1 , > ;? • 97 in ,..! ' <' i> i i ii .ment and eon- 4^a«Qtl7 thava Will be a iHil^t cheek in tbe li^ort* In May and Jiiae. I think I am ^Ittin the-teark wben 1 iMtlaia«e tiw ^oa- t(^ xvnNiaa «t 92l,(kK>,0OO, as agaltaa« l«at yewr'a yield of 9lM7{i,847. From vx. <^f J (lo not ezpaet to reeetve mora tfaaa 98tO0O.OOO, aa eomparad wfitb 99,170.878 r»- «^Md laat fj^, ca aeeovttt of yarlooB dl»- ^jinlm •*«•*. Af b«*we» tne two yeera, lPiSltJi4U> denot Qor ceTanse-tfiie yeiar itom t|«t caneirt year a anrploa wblcb will wipe oot '» ^■^Hlji^ .j^lw I^^mI^k. ,^ ' >' J'l* ifliln'T*'^ 4^1 IH^p^k' £^ t. H •Mt •*•• ^M* olVyinU lif |S,0«i4f|8.«»» Hw 4«lalli «bMi «M M fdilowc :~. i($iil4ltaN on Oapttttl Ae- Mft MM on QaMOlitli P*- B«0W«^ ilUlMMIfn 416,986 Mliimdtt tm tlM N.W.T. 8,984 Oi/mMmt^ Tmd tr«mftn, Mtf i^or to SOtli JaM, 18M, PoM OflM Dap«n- S9 44 80 64 Total ...... <«..,. ..'... 6,143,9TT Ltm nitiiUBti Fond iDTHt- ia«kiti 9,101,818 Kft InerMtM 19 40 80 8,041,168 69 M«ktng tlw wtt 6a* cA 80tb Jane, 1897 f 961,688,896 46 For tlia eoirant flieal yvar, I And w« bat* •kiModed iip^to tte Slat Uixet a» capital «Monnt, lor railway anfMdi«| and for dto- wnmte and (Aarssa In coawieotton wMi tba late Imui, In all f4,606,l86.' To oomplste th« jaar'a rsqulranMnta on eapltal aeeomt and railway avlNrtdlM K la aaUoMited tbait w» iN^lt oaad f 8,000,000, making a total of •7^06,186. In ordar to aaeartain tte not IneMaaa of our debt, we nmat dodnet tfae einklngr fond inreatmenta whleb an ortlmat- ed to «moant to $9,800,000 and estimated eorploa of 8507,000, laaring an inereaao in the net drtit of $4,600,000 In round mum'beni lor tbe year 1897-98. Mr. OLANOT. Where am itlie eheere ? Mr. MACLEAN. We are alttlng on tben. Tb0 MINISTER OF FINANCE. We pro^ poie iMiat boo. gentlemen oppoilte ihall eon- tlnne to alt on thoae ohalra for a long time yvt. Wltb regard to t^e flacat year fcegln- ntaar, on tbe let July neoct and andlng on tbe SOra' June, 1899, It la, of eoniee, too early at ttkla day to eatlmate In more tban general tl^a. HoweTAr, I do not tbink tbat, eo far as tbe eusttom* revenue to coneemed, w« abottid (all beblod tbia yaar'a Income, wbdeb I bave eattanated ait $91,000,000. We bave to ramamtber, of eonrae, that om tbe let July tUa year tba aecond atage of our pieferen- .tMl tariff will be reacbad, and tbe reduetloo of 19H P«r cent already accrued will be fol- ' lowed by a furtber rednetloa of 12% per oant, mAklng a total of 95 par cent. The fiiat leduotlcm of 19^ per cent waa, per- bapa, . earning wbldi, oi irdnae, our eatlntadaa will have to be oi a veiy general ebaraetar, with very llttto opportmnittoa of eomdag to eloaa qnartere, not each opportncttka aa w« hftTe with legord to tbe eurrant year. We bnTa laid on «he Table triet, end anotber of $760,000 for tkutfignb* atng expeneea of tbe Intareolondal Beltway estenaten to Montreal. Under our mttlitw^ of keeping ae^ouota, tbe inereaaed eoet el openvUng tbe IntBreoIanfal Railway faaa .to ^ be added to our general expenditure, arven tbom^lt might be a aoiiree of proAt ttf m repnaanted by an tnereaae on tbe otbev aM» of tbe aeeonot. Thaie two new iten* Mt the Tukon and for tbe Intereolonlia IUitlw«3r» Itune wbldh were not neeeaaary in onr S4*l Bhtimwilea, but that w«-idl reeogntof arl^ mf oeaeany now, amount to $1,100,000. It we tidte tUa %om the total amwont at the BrtjIkK tii«taa» It win be found thnt tba rai|p|lMMr. $88,108,000, la ahotit tlialuune a| i4M Jki»^ In ^» Bwhi arttmaiiHi Knr the &mmt p$i0f SI U M .iSW ,^ri:r ^Av^M-^^-^- ^^'^^^''^^^- ".yn}^^ .(Tr; '^'^'^A' 'vs^^^^' ''" '^'STTP T^ f 6^ »,ii i jH iiii«ii»«^»»»f II 'ii > i I 111 ^ ' " I I ' ' fii Attn latt, i^~«l» flWmt oK»r ••• «Hr MM «h«t wkM lh« drtalto of tiM •miS» wiraM tMt oirty eoBtluM to flow ta Mt IW Mfl dw— >i», I wt J^t wt MlltM «^PMt. H iMMI iMMMia WiWM ttMW jNVdt WWW «ttMM» «li*^dN«a«tMi«» tlum I Vbm w- MMMdM pelMttd aMBMMMblgr In ttis dlM»> Umi.' TIm food barrwt, liow«r«r,«B4 tn- atmafi pMmo tev* alOM tlMt tini iMit tMr fovM «o«lit«ltf» ol tTwt*7lM tbt ptrlod of MMtMlDf jWMHiiKi ttet Oomida !■ ui« Vm 1m« tar MMM tlBM iM«t aitloy- taf awt b0 Indaod fmtUyfnc to mtj tea. mwilMr of thii Bo«m, and to tfvery •IttiM of OsiuidB, and mnat conflnn tlw eoavtetloo tbat w all bavt aa to* tha gvtet p^aiAIMtlai of tha fotart dttatopiMirt it am wwtry. / I am a«ia, Ut. Sptakar, yoa will baitf wi«i aia wM» I torn aaMe for a oMNMnt to aaali- •ratr a lew of tbt dlrwtloDir la #^ fhla dtralofkmaot and Iproapwlty hava mad* thtm- MlTM Itlt. I propiiM to sptak flrat aa fli tt> laalnMon of Urn fnanaaad protpMlty ol iUla eooatry, of tim IfonaMd tioalama of tlm eomitry— I pvopoM to iptak of the dtWpa Ma la Mm hanha. lio tha bank effealatltm «hi •Opet has ban moat pvoaooBcod. % nadh awii viraary th« Doom by ftrlng tiht dttaiia ol tht bank atatanMOfta, bat I majr prw u ttt a t«Ul •bowing tha dapoafta m tha etaartarad iMutlHi (or tha paat aAeember the daposMa lutnt btensumd hj orw 121,000,000. To eanrjr on tha InefFeaaad bnslnasa of tflia eoontry there baa been a Tcry haavy damand (or DDmlnlon ootaa and bank notea, whleh th« elaattetty of oar banking ayatam haa been tally able to meot. I aiipend tlie flgoaaa raUvtlng to OK)ta circulation tor alz yeata paat : 81st Oeti>ber, 1892 Slat October, 1893. 31st Ootober, ld94 ;31s( Ootober, 1896......'1 Slat October, 1896... Sist Ootober, 1897...... ,..* Goyemment. $ 38,688,429 36,906,941 34,516,661 34,671,028 36,965,160 41,680,928 Banks. $ 18,647,063 19344,248 . 22,212,884 22,893,269 21,607/153 24,761,982 Total. $67,836,482 66,761,189 66,729,535 67,664,287 &7»66y08 66,882:860 J'- "If Ir. FOSTSOt. May I a«k my boo. triend fh> took ^m same date in eacb case for tha CfioTanMneoit bank flgoores T '^i^- ,.^ The MimSTBB OF FINANCE. ' Tea, the r "^HgntMa |n bOtb caaea aoa for the Slat of ^>„0«rtpMr, i$p2, and ootitliniUng »t tha aaaw E^ '^T Qfltlfe; 4Ml6fl'- -3f%▼«' 66 mtllfana, ttt* an ineveaae of close to nine millions OTor 1896. , The yolume of the ganaral . boshwia of ttia eonitttry was soeh as to ^nirf taarkisdfr 'i»> ■1:, i^SifSSlS^iSJiillii^SjJMfHSi^ l^Am^ •>^^^k-^:^^:»^'f^;i^^^? Mr #Btf 'ttiiklllMi*' ffhi lM|il IM6 ».. » •i.OM.MT/NW ,MWI (M* MMM •>«)•• 4uaM«M>M* ' ]|(DW(MQ|000 SV9T MM MiMa •««•• ««t»MM«*M If XOl iVOwfOOO Olr M kMinaM oC flM.OOO.OiM^ te tte li«i of IS97 oT^ ^TM. Vor tbf t^ If 9irl«>4bi JTiaMcy, IMt. «h* totel «)M«l«fi wtM il09.800;i78« VMiMt iMtMljOOO Mr tiw itiBllw nrlo4i Ol iMmMf, 18»T, Of W IMVMW of vfm 9ii«op(r,ooo. For FsIwmit imI, 41m total «|lPM|iigi lor tho ATI oMMi jamtloMd w«m 9^08^885,809, M wmV^A with f74,«18r 8181 1<^ F«teMrgr, 180t, on kMNMO ol •88r 71^,780. Ttio^ riilw«j«, too« IwTOffqpNliBMtf tb* iMMwOit 0f.tbJo vpwMraL nmivMwnt In trade, urt llio pobllfbtd tndB« Mitanw •» aa In- dHK «l th« oBtmt of tlM litteaniirat oo for M tiiiir MO oooonnaiA. From liit Jq^ to ttit vid 9t F«brwu7jMiti th« wMkljr otato- OMnta ol tbo two gNiit rattwaam of Canada Aolf eotfttCttnal and ataa^f taenaiM ovar tlM i&ntnxmiUmt Wedui otlaat jraar. Tte CKMi iNMijKa of tte OawMUan Faelfle Bal>> way tor tlt« ^oai^ anding tflat Swambsr, 1887, ware 834,049,584, agalntt faOr 881,880 tor, tbe pmiTtoaif ypar, Tht fvoaa r»- wtjpta of tto Oraftd Troak Ballway, aeoor«»- loff to tbair weekly ratomi, for the aama pairtod wave 810,531,888, against 818,781,- 888 (or tho pravlotw jnaa^r. Tba Ineraaaa In tbt aarataga of tho roada la mainly attrtbutv abla to tMr fwigbt and Ilva atoek bntlinM. Tho alhare and boodlioMera have, of eotasa, VtNMKA by tba Imjproivaaieiit In tba aandng eai^eltlaa of tbo roada, and the merfceit ▼alMB of thalr aaoorltlea hare adTanoad by boanida. T^i» tba Gamadlan Padflc Ballway ordhMiiry 8100 abarea. ^hn eioafag price of Dnofmbcr, 1806, waa 56K; tbe lowest prloe of 1897 waa 4694, and tbe latest Itoeamber prlae w«» 88^4. Tbe eloaing price on 39tii of JanoiKy last, aeeordlng to tbe "Eeonomtet," weeem'bert 1895, £48,- 8li,887; on 81et Oeeamber, 1896, £50,- «80t6t8; on 81st Sseettber, 1897^ £89,- 8W,910. ' "J i j ' Mj ' ,i". ' -. ' ii, ' r »i' . * r Vti whish' 'tt'WMAt* iltlllM ''.mt^m ^ y««rl89iHNt. GMMida> «g»o«t tniAi 4ml^ *ka fMK #••. tayJhikr,#« lMMitjui«gn»laM m Mi Mi- IMT UKOMtfTto tha Mpof •XfT.SSO.MMl, wbioh k ovat 18 mtOMm ol doUam to «•• easi of Dtmvmiaa^jmh •«' M mOlloai to esaaiti ol tto mtA ««w 1884>8B. TtetiMlTAlM tifthtlmporti lor nor eonatBifttaay esetostt* ol eoto add MIUqa, for tte «#it ngaMa of too eonani voir. «» to tl»; sMd ol Wbmmf Anoontsd to iBOr 8^.881, whieh Is 9ia.081.S80 to anaM «l the (BomspoBtlac period «t tba S«M lm\aailmg eoto Md boUtOBf Hia tor tMwee oonvamptloB lor tfea eight amooatad to 888,788,787, wMoh Is 808.818 to eamss ol HM.aonmqKiBdtoi lod of tiba last flseal year. The total sspoBts tor the sight BM«lte amovnted to 9119.M4,4M, w^loh Is 998^ 451,881 In aawasa ol the aocport trade lor «ha eoitesposkUng period ol last ysar, and whlsh Is. alio In eaceess ada tor tba Canadlana was the ery. Then am some lAdnga In which It Is well to have Oaoada for tba Canadlaa», hat we would do well to pttt a wise Uqtltatlon'aa tbe meaning of tbe ex pr es s ion, atad seeh for prosperity iftHrongh the onarioeto of tht world. 1 thtok the country baa awakened' to the fact that, to the effort to make |Nraai> parity for Ihe tarmars through ttie stlatiitot> ' hog of manufaatures, ^tha eart waa batojl - plaoad before the hoeaa. If we can All vi the farm laada of OeneMto with todBahAali (wooperoua uid happy aettleni, prodaetog. Dot for the hom* market only, hat lot lUs' oxarfcets of the world, we ahall hawa the tmeat poeaiblB foundation for a juBdeeitol manntaetartBg Indoatry and (or t^f0Mr proeiterity/ Let ua tb», while we npiU» W tbesa flguas which t have tne' ptMlktt 4if'^ preaentlng to llw Houfe, and tvUto wa ia^' ^m t'i^/i^ -,^^%^_ '^S^^t^'M^'T^^-:. ^'^'^^Mi'^.^:^)^: ^'m^: ^.!J|' W IP'' m i^T" mtiiit i |l >» ,'" ii J^i, iilfea'.i» (Mite i M iii M iii tM - lifc w 115' i*Mt hw mtu nm w^mmttr tn um ghm^m tii fti lftiiii»;'"iilll M MMittMd Idr •mpMmIMm 4tooafho«t iM.ItaMla^ to 4mw «I*«IMM1M olHlM. • «iittir «f foiai-M» th« anr ,loa« wkkk I iMd tte pkjKWi «< nfclng OB tM OMrtM Ml* MttMM. Xo« wlU CO M» MiMBt 919,000»(Mxy. TteM roirlBf poirwo at tboft ol VWtrm of #8,000.000, M #ith o0 ifcmmm mttim Kte A«t tldtd tbBt wt AonM OMk* b lotn for 89,- 000.000 oterllm, or ifboat 810,000,000, Tbtrt wtrt ttTtnU rtaoont Sor tbBt. Wt did fotil bofMfnl, In Tltw of tbo growtaf prooptrlty of tbo toontny, tbBt wt tboold not n«MI to bonww ao largt • tom m miny bou., gtntlo* ■OB tbooght wooM bt otetitBry, and tbtrt waa tlio tortbor oooaMBMtUm, tbat atttr doe 4MlbaMM4oB wt noolTad to try a tccj atrt- ooa «xperiaieii.i>— It out ean tan anyUhlog llkt that m tzperlmti>t«-wt vaMvtd to tak« tipi oomawbat atrlout atep of makflnf a mak la tte rato of taltano^ la «bt London aiiplMt, OBiMukQp to tbat tlaiie had mo ta^ tovMat btloiw 8 per etnt, Mar Aiaid aniy taUmm toloiKtr. In tIow of tbo laTooraibla eoadMloa of tbt aiona^ markotiMB Tlaw of tbt blgb potfMoa of OaaadiMi trtdlt; In tIow of tait §m)nA ttndtnoy towordi a ndaetlon tat tbt raito of lB«M«tt, wt tbootfit tbt tkoa bad joila aAin w« eoidd makt tbo ntpoiauBt B ojti t talted tt a bold txptnlniMiit'^-of «•»• "tec on tbo Jjondoo market and tMclng tbo la- ViBtOia to bay ««r bondt tt a 9% per omt- , bull I Aad, Ste, bavtog tboagbt «bat mat> «•! apt, wt oamo to tbt eonelaalon idkat It ir^^M bt a Witt polity ta^mabt onr tbat ^that Mto fora -xf-*- W* a» aaoMiriM 'Ml immmt iJUH'^ 9Mm mm.' < ikt' mmm witi. 4h«8w.' ^im '•* a ai»w liit, aM. attraia ^tei tO .•Biil'.a t»- tbl8 8l|NB ofpMMMt aaa wUI mt gil |a a 8mi omaaMoa ai tbat Aorvttvf jpa- fa«i!l « prtat aa Mtf 'ba tapaaM Mftit. 1N> tboagbt, thtailoat, tbat M wt OoaM gM BloBf toafort«bly wMk 88,000.000 at^MBf* It wobM ba wla» to ■oa O aa oar loan to thil la otfiar tba* wa itlgM aMkbli|M-4lM| lor oar ateattttaa oa a 8)1 pit taafT wit* tbt aapaataltoa fbiit thiy wOaid Ib TBlat uA Unit at «» dfrtaat , w«aa It waaM bt aaNMlagr fO? ai. to go oa tbt mai%at lor tbt bataaat, W* ah^ bava aor tiadit laMy aMaMUhiA on l|a til pw taat. baait/ BtHaviBir tte flMMBaPH ta^ oaiaibla, bi ttia moa$b ol Ottobar, wa ail<<^ iMUNtf to pMot oar loan upon tba paiuriNt. > Tba oooditkna ot ^oaartat ap m tbat lliia bad baM raaao^ably iavwuM^la, ^m Wm noiaay «BBrhal did tabt a allsbtly nalaaoaiw abla taia at tba atortatb boar of oar iaaaa* aetloB. AftMr oar a ru t» aD atanet, tbt laqwnai ot tba pal^lit Waa rttf ■BtlatBetory and onr loan waa mora than donbly anbaonfbtd. Wa plaeMt tte boodt mb tbt naabat at tiit prlot of 01 and tfaay wtrt tabtn at 01 ponoda 10 IMlMnft and 8 p«ea. OonaMartng, Sir, tbat It waa tte fliat opttu atlon ot itfM kbid Stat aagr tolony bad trar attcmpttd. I tad. tbat wa all ten grtat rta^ aon— rand I am anrt my bon; Irltnda oppoaMa will Join m ny Wordi btartUy wfatn Z aay tt— wa bare all giaat naaon to eongratnlata oomnrrta, Imapaetlvt ot partj, ap^n tte rtty blgb petition (bait Oanadfaai trafllt tea tatea. lb Imgland. I tevt hare a atataaitnt ■bowing the ratat ot latiertat that taaTt ba«t paid tor tht inaidoua Canadian loant ttaot eontedenatlon, and aa it may te fonad lid lor tntart ntenenoa I rfiaU laad It. In 1800 Oanaida laraad a loan urbltb waa partly a goaranitoad loan, oaa portion btaxu log 4 par etnt and AMM. '**^*>J^M?2i' 'if* '^ -**^ ''•• 4l.4lti *!• r—- -"w* MMpH irwi ^ *« MMClMC 8l|Ma >%PIV Mit. ^^ ^^ MIHMMU About ^Ott th« •ppotito oolamn follows a oomparetiT* I AmottBtUf 18t8. nioMM mft... n^^oo 1,000^1100 18W... j^uSm 1878... •l^OOO^ 187f». 8^)00,000 1884... 0,000^000 \&" /j^^ 188S... f OMMda im.M 18M... 1807... f OMMda -) 18,448,188 J 4,e00,000j 2,000,800 *Ou«mHt««d. m Wik5-- t,\iv,^ i!*ayk. . •'] ^li^S@^'v*« Ji^;^Si^^ ■^'^''Stiaa ^*^:^ ^^^i'M^fc:-. m?d^M'^. v^iv^'- ^*'"'^V io •VMMUfit^n ■: l,ilii?ii^§ii! 'stwioiCtMl 9i«d no m 9|«}psvini xdf %atii9o •siQ[9a;pnpa{'n8i«q3 I ^- : .■ wt f i^ *» r>* ' .« w« »«> ti< »-« . Jillniiiltii ™ JR S 2S S ~t £S 3r --^ S SB 3 • «P 9B iti«» 4d ^ ■ Ok ,b) M 00 09 e • • • • •M is: &3 A o o ^'o'o .. -• ■* »-l l-l O* f-t rH eo «0 -* «0 >* IN IN C »H 00 m 00 H s ^ s s s; S sss • O • ^ CO kO i-hO» * w) A A A Ok 0> TSti S'^>oio^>o Sooc^'^t- o I "I* o i 1 s lui o year, tj^'*\.. J,. ..^kt Ill I P M ' ^1 " ^ Mr. f OSVSB. B«» «« tm. trtaaA (V^ nm MIKlBTfeR OF imANOB. FOr tlw npMat; then Is OM pgirt lavttier. but t fli»lH tM glad to hvf mf hcii. Mind (Itr. F«M«p) aak aii$tMS qomtim t paoap^Dtaa on «bs TtUlBt .■ Tlnr MINISTEB OF FINAllQS. | abaU ^ymj glad to. Mr. FOSTER. Wliat was itlM Iffictb of tb» last loan? The MINI8TEB OF FINANCE. Flttgr ftmtn. Ttam« la one ptlMr ttaamtt m oon* Motion wftb tliat loam to wlikb I may otato a iHuMing ntennoa. Not only w«a it durirable that we ahonld have oar loan Idacad on a a% per cent baaia, If poaefble, Cor the aakft of the mmaotUm ttaeU, but ,«aeh a tAmag» to the ,8% per «en« rate b»- «aan» of further tonportanoe In view of the ««nly maitorlty of a laiva amotmt of our eoc- latiDg lumxm. By ntarenoe to page Izlr. of the PabUe ▲eeonnta, It will be fonnd tbaib botwoen the yaani 1908 and 1910, we ilkall ha>Te laaoa matorlng to tdM amonnt of £84,448|186, or §107,888,863. To asdat in mvetlng the paynienit of these liabilltiea, I «i9tlniate that WW rttall have accumolatsd otoking funds to tha ralue of «66,971,181. So that we aibaU hava to renew or oooTert the balance of tAwae maturing loaioa to the amount of over 9100,000,000. The cot xnte of Inteiwat on our last, loan, taking Into account all char- ges, was 2.86 per oeot. At the rate of lii- taroat which tluae loaoe that are to mwture now bear, it would take about 94,000,000 to pay a year's interest on the 9iOO,000/)00; but ait ttie rate of 8.86 p«r caat the Interesfi on th« 9100,000,000 would amouut to 98,- 860.000, or a difference of 91,140,000. That a to sa#, It the money miarhat when these various loans mature should prove as fav- ourable to Canada as It was when we placed our recent loan, there would be a saving of interest to the extent of over 91,000 000 per year, as compared with the rate of intorest whkdi these loans now bear. We may reanon • ably hope to effect that saving, and some- thing more; for we all Anticipate, I am linre, that the credit of Canada, high as it is now, win continue to improve, and that before the date is reached at which theee loans fall in, we shall be able to borrow, not simply at the rate of 8.86 per cent, as we did laait .year, but at a rate which will come much ehXKT itn 8H par cent, wlbloh will iw tte teoe value of the securities. I think, then, In view of these large maturing loans, as well aa from the nature of the recent transaction Itaalf, hon. gentlemen on both sides of the fiouse will have been pleased to learn that loaii OA tht mavkat; iMid I am,0»AU> itmoit' t)»im th* trsnaaetimi wis sbt * Mib|aei ol p«r*y dmrata. , hat thai its n t em wak f- lised tor - fluenced to some extent by the policy of the Government. The banks of the country are borrowers as well as lenders. The banks re> e^ve from the public a large amount of bapt- tal which they use In the business of the country In the .war of loans. This capita) is in the form of d^KwIts, and when the banks have to pay an unreasonably high rate of In tatea t oni dteposlta, thnt la a Masoa — «.t all events, it is an excuse— for their not^ giving lorwer tsutea of dlaeonnit to iIlM buriUiesB^men of the country. Tt has bean said that the position of the banks In this n%peet has been a forced position. It has been said that they have been obliged In timca ptast to pay miom theo a fair vahm for money, because the Qovemment of the country has been doing so. I suppose tt will be generally admitted that in the Oevam-. ment savings banks we have been for a long time paying a little more than the lair value of money; and some gentlemen may say that we ought to do so In the savings banks. But I do not think we ought to ae- eept that position. I think the savings baaka of the country were designed to afford a i>laee of saflff deposit to the people Interested In that class^ of Institution. By the way, I Jtite Inclined to think that the original deslgik ot the savlnga banks as a placa In whieh tha thrifty classes could put their small savtaHiai: has been long since lost sight of, and a veiy large proportion of the money In the sar- ings bank does not represent th4t etasf Of diqposttoirs «t all. However that ttrajjr 1% ts^ dad that the Qovarament in pait 'yii«b hKf beeh pliylag a Httlt mbre thim tht^ raloe of mway la tlw wi^.of liKMiNMt oa -1 :.ijtii ^M^l«, "ftD tk« IntwiMt of tb« boilneiw of tlie fconatrr. In tlM Intwrcrt of mewmital manofaetiirlBC. In «|IK» lnt«(M0t of e-vary man w*k> tad -too eapcy on jbla bnalQeM to some jNctent witli hof^ roKrad capital, that wo alKMild not hxn an •Hieelal Tftlne or .aoney In Canada, Imt that a ntan ihoold be able to borrow aeeoidlag to the raaionable lawa of demand and anpply. We believed that It wai a dealrable tj^lni to eneoarage to some extent the aaTlainr' bank deposlata, and we rMaebbered that the num- ber of those depoetti wao large and that the advantage to the depoefton waa a matter of soino Impotitancci: but) w« eam* to itlie eoaiete- •ion that tne Intereit of the greateat nnmber of the pethe rate of interest. Since that time an in- cident taas occurred which has led us to go a Mep further. We dM aoifc (think it waai wlsie to make so radical a reduction as from 8% to 2^ per cent at once; but we did make the mOnotikMi .to 8 per cent; and since we have been aA>le ibo piece on the money morkMi our own securities bearing a 2V4 per cent rate, we thought we should regard that as a standard value of m(Hiey,.and that we ought not to pay a rate in excess of that. We know that it costs about '^ of 1 per cent to man- age the deposits, and if you bdd that to the 3^ pMT cent to be allowed upon them, you will be paying 2% per cent, wddch i» about the same aa we are paying for our money in the English market. An hon. MEMBER. Less. The MINISTER OF FINAITOE. My hon. friend is r^ht — a fraction 1^. But, as I have already stated, we expect the securi- ties cif Oanada to advance in valne. I liava pointed oat that In making a new loan at a rednped fate of Intereat, we^ 80iD« dliadvaataga at the momepiti Vat #e aU expeet— ^barring temporary tmetH- tles, warn wad mmonrs of war, whltih w* hope may aobn paas away— that the seenrl* ' ties of Ctoaada will Increase in value \ at a very early date; and we may fairly regard a traction above 3% per cent as the rate at which Oanada can borrow all the moa«f slw requires. It therefore we pay the deposit- or SMb P«B (!«Bt. for his money and pay )4 oi 1 per oent tor the miMigwneat of «b« sskv- ings bank, we are practically paying blm 0% for the money, and at a very early day we ahaU no doubt be able to borrow monsgr at that rate in EngHand. We therefore pro- pose that on the 1st of July next thelw Shan be a further reduction of H per cent la the imterest pag^ble to depositusi, maldns the xate 2% per oint. Mr. SPROULE. A grand stroke of bnsl- ness for the poor man. The MimSTEB OF FINANCE. My hon. friend, no doubt, thinks that there are many poor men who have their money in the post ) office savings bank, but there are many mMo poorer men who are paying thu Interest, and who have no money in the savtaga. banks. And the question ifi, whether a llm- Ited number of - poor men shall be paid a higher rate at the expense of a larger num- b«r of poorer mem who have no money to put In the savings banks. I quite sympa- thlse with the deelre of my hon. friend to pay a good round rate of interest, but I think he win agree with me- that a very large amount of the money In the savings baafca to-day belongs to a class of people who do not neeed any sympathy from us, but are verr well able to look after themselves. And as far as the other depositors are eon- ceamed', if we give them the seewrH^ of the public credit, and pay them 3% per oenit, besides the other H per cent which tlM management costs nt, I think we are dealing falrlv and Justly with them. But I do not put it before the House in that light only. The main grounid I am arguing ooi is thlSy that it is not merely an advantage to the Trea- sury — ^though that is a point not to be lost sight of — ^but that the rate of interest we are now paying on savings banks deposits 'as a material effect on the cost of money the business coitamunlty at large in the Dumin- lon; and If, by this step, we can bring about — ^not hastily, but gradually and surely — a reduction in the cost of capital to the merchant, the manufacturer, and to every man who has to go to a bank to borrow^ money, we believe we shall be doing som^-" thing which is for the good of the whole country. Mr. SPROULE. The discount charged by the banks since the last reduction lias beea Just as high as ever; sc that the reduetUm bM not roiulMd as the hoD. geoAlema*^ diets It will. :\«-^:r» i^^S^'fex.h.- A« "•*r »3 kMl. think lufe boafes who do bat an mselTM. ire eon- of th« Br owt, leh thA dealing do not lit only. lls^ that Trea- be loat we are >as a the Dumln- brtng Bvrel^ to the every borrow Bome-" whole Tb« linQBTEB i>9 ' riNAlVOS. . t MB aiiraUt the viflieal^ mvit he that laf hon. triHftf and^X belong to the ovter elaaa^wUdi mmot dteteitie to t^a banloh bfeanae I tatft feaaon to believe thUt that taTonied toiler einle ie alieady reeelring some advantage. Bat 1 do not irat It on that groaad almie. If that inner feirele were receiving the ad< vantage, and nobody elee, then I would not argne that the atep waa a very advaatageona one la the eeaee jt meQtlon. Bat we all know that the ratee of inteieet do not change in a moment, and, if the borrower who now vaye 6 par oent, can got a lower vate— my iDior- matlon ie, and I believe It^ that many are getting their diseoonte done at lower ratee than twelve mbntha ago—althongh for the inreaent the advantage may be conilned to that favoored inner circle, I believe it will gradnally work oat of it and my hon. friend aad myeeU may aome day get the benefit. Ifr. F08TBB. Ie there any hope of oar getting into that Inner circle 7 The MINI8TEB OF FINAIffCB. Not while we are in politica. I want to eay •omaMdiing now with ragaxd to the tariff policy of Isat yaar. I find that there ie a change of front on the part of lome hon. gentlemen oppoeed to the Qovemment on that qneetion. When the tariff policy waa annonaceid laat year, tBte Oooeervative epeak- en and organe — ^I remember particularly an article in a leading organ of pnbllc opinion in Toronto,— took the ground that we were making changee which were threatening the boaineee intereet of the c|oantry,. that the boeineae of the country could not etand the policy which thle Oovemment had enacted. The Ooneervatlve (ipeakere and organs told na that we were going to destroy the great induatries of the country. Well, Mr. Speak- er, the cry has changed to-day. Looking over the year's operations under that tariff, and finding that the business of the country has gone on Increasing and expanding every • day, finding that that cry cannot any longer be used, these hon. genilemen have tnrned around and say : You did not make any changee in the tariff at all; you have the old National Policy after all. Well, each of th>we claims is unjust. We made a change In the tariff — a change that was moderate and rcr: eonable, a change that guarded against rash disturbances, but which, nevertheless, effected substantial reductions on the rates* of duty, so that the tariff of the country Is no longer the old National Bblicy.> I wish to remind the House that in the old tarifl, which hon. gentlemen oppoelte admire so much, there were specific duties whlbh ran up as high as 40 and 60, and I do not think I go too far whra I aay, 60 per cent of the Value of the article. All these hig^ dntlee, at all events a great many of them, have been removed. Many of the articles whleh In former times paM a daty. aoder Hie old urltf, ol 40 aaid 80 pm eeint. and aa hit^ ai 60 per cent, will be toalii iehednled IB the ptaaent iMMmtti per cent, aabjeet to a taHliapr r«teetioa« onder ^ jtr ei^w n tlW cianaei ao that, as be* tween the bid) jand the pt eae n t general tarn there la a conalderabla rednotton of dvUM on a number oil artldea. And, when yon tak« into account the reduetldn which haa takMi piaoei and jrhieb will be Increased on the Ont pt Jiilrnekt, by the operation of the 8ee.« T Artiolw. 11 Anioi»l8, Uviog, ST. B. 9. ..... . 124 Books, printed, periodicAlB and pamMtlets, or tmrta tlMreof, N.ES., not to uudode bl^ •cconnt books, oofgr twMts '^ books to be written or dr>wn on •••••••• •••••••' 2t6|BrMfl, mannfllotuiee of(!NfrB.S* '. ■-"' IndiMi oom not for cUstilkitkn . . Bicjroleii «nd tricjoles. ......... OM Tariff Bate. 640 326 180 Qoal, Iptamindus, Ao .......'.' . .' sn m CkMton. fSabricB, printed, dyed or ooIoafed,NX>.P ,....,., Cotton sewinj; thread on speeds. ^ ^_ CiotKm clotyag, inohidingooreetA 868 Cotton velvets, velvetems isnd plash flabnos, N,B.S, ►.. 312 Ciirt«in«, when made upjitrimmed ornntrimQied 44T PnwSfdjesandohemicalsJk.O.P 284 Bitotnc apparatne, parts of, eleo- tric light cables, eleotrib bat teries 20 p. c...... 00. p. lb.... 80p.o:..... Tfc. p.bush 80 p. c. OOo. iKton of 90 P.C.... 2ft « Qeneral Present Taritf. p^ c. Preferential Tariff to 30th June, 1898. 1886. 10 " 30 ' " Free ... , .. 30 p. Q • • • • 30 30 26 l|M l^ip- «.... 26? " - ' • • • • ?6f p.c.... 2.(100 lbs. p.e. 63c. p. ton ofkOft c. pT ton rJ^^'^v^ «S '^'^]^^"'??'?^»"^<2.^'«2^ 1^ 1898) on oertain prineipal utiole» t "assaaefassssssrgBpi AHfelM. 848 ^nraitare or wood or aoy othtr laaliiriaK l^onM, Cftbioet or of flOA flniBbcd (»r in MTM. . . . . . . 409 Fnr tkins, whoUr or pwtiaUy drctaed ,;..... 201 QUm and miuiuflMtiireii of s— CoiXMpoB 4tid odourless win dow giMS, piftin, oolourod. itainod or tmud ormoffled _ gkMS in slMsts . .. . ;. » ..... 408 B«ts; ou» wd boaMts, N. B, 8. Irra MHi eted^ nuuttfiustorM^: 280^ B«rdwarewT!s4BiiUdflni%osb- in^ makers', upholstertrs', asrnsM makefrr ud sad- dIen'yincladiiyOQnT'ooiDbe MTttronbplge .................. iU MMhinOy, all otfaorj c^nnposed wlkoUr or in part of iron or ■ti«el,N.E.8....\7 821 lianaflMStared articles or wares, not speoially entrim^ratcd or |Ht>Tidcd for» compoeed itt iron . or steel, aco...... 212|Le#ther and manufactures of :— Calf, kid, lamband sheep skins Old Tariif Bate. TT General Praient Tariff. 30 p. c . 16 " . 212 219 178 difeseed, waxed or dased . . . Upper leather, inciting don- Ela, ooidoinan, kangaroo, al- ^ator and chamois skins, dressed, waxed or glazed. . . . Boots and shoes, N.BJS OUsi-x . Coal and kerosene, distilled, purified or refined, naphtha and petroleum. N.B.8 .» . .. . » 6 c. p. gall. 20 " ' 30 " 32*" ...... |4.00perton.. 27}p,c....... 27} « 17}" 30p.c...,. 16 "• ..... ^5855- PMflniBtial Taoff to8IMI»jrimi^ 1896. 20 « ...... 80 « 30 « ..... |24S0perton.. SB p. ... . 2HP^ ...... I3i" r'A PHMretttU" Tarar from 1st infyt 1898. 17}" 26 « 30 " 17}" 17}" 9K <( I do not pat anything in the preferential list for that. 6 c. p. gall. 17f" 20l '< •8.181 per ton 21ip.p. 22}p,c. Ill" 16 « 221" m*' .... . *0l%' •••... 22*** |lJ7|pertoa. 18|p,••••.,...... JPwir, all kinds, N-RS. Watch actions or movements 384 Wood, mannfaetores of, N J1.S... Wool* manujOftctores of— 01o(4mi ■» voaH nga. «»».«..«»»«»».«»» > AwBSas. .......•••••• •••..« J lly im 847 894 All fiibHce, ooQiposed whot& «v i«nw« of K^I, wonted, wKtt •NiBi8h..,.,,.v. ...»••« 20 p. 0...... S " V 38 " 26 « 10 " 26 " •■•••* 5c. p. lb. and p.c. SOpbO. 26p.c.*.... 6 " 36 " 26 " vtf « •• e e • 85 " 211" ..... 4|w • • • • • e 2li" . 8f " 81*" 30f" 30|«F 18|« 34" " ...... 861" 86i" ^«^*^^€t*^;'ff*''~ WJ3,'^'j9'lp^ riiV'rfr^ ^^^ m,m V i« K ■ Ito. TAYLOR lj»t to good p^tetlMi. Cloihiog, TWul7*inade, snd wearine •pparel of erery deaoriptioD. comiMMd wholly or in put o/ *• tapflBtiy ,., I 80 p. c.,, 26 Pe«lin««nd other Map powdew.... 85 «' 56 ""^ flour" "**" •"" " 162 Surgical bt^lfs and truwi^, and sua IMA ?!""°i'y K^^J^P" of all kinds....,, 153 Surgical and £ntal in'^trum^ntn Caot wing ftarnitore) and surgical 171 Lubricating oils, compof*, milliner's and mantis makers' ftftshion plates, ^Artificial limbs ^Cream sepa^ratorsv... Wa Zinc ia platM... !»r.!!"!! fc.perlb. 01c. " . 36 p. c 36 « .,..■) S2i« .„, I 25 ti $8.00 per ton,,. lip.*. Free flrom let January, 18»a 21|p.o...... 2li « . 35 " 30 » 12i i }c. p« W p. c. per lb..., 17.00 per ton. per lb... tc. " p. c. .... » • ••••■•• •••«•••««««, 6c. per lb.. and 20 p. 0.. . 20 « ... 27J« ... 80 « ... 25 " ... 26 « 30 26 10 Free. M. tt (( (« M till 26i " 21J " Ist Jan., 1898 I8f p. e. 6 60 per ton fj. per lb. 22rp.c, 22i p. e. W and then firee. '''f'^~\^* nV.^^ (Ht '^-^^^--^-y^tJ^^^^yfj^^^ ■^ Itfd. thf MimSTEB OF FINANCE. Has ap* it«d, my bon. frlead saye, and I accept •p^Unent. , fjhc moit etrlUng feature of the tarlfl >ollcty of lait eeuloii was the preferetttlal rlfr. That policy was designed chiefly to tag about prdterentlal trade with the mo« er, country, and I am sure the . House Fill s«i«e wtth me wiien 1 say tbat "thoit por- Itop of our tarllf policy has been successful and measure, and has given Canada a rorld-wlde tame. When X say this I do not >rget that my bon. friend the leader of the opposition, not many diays ago, stated that it policy h^d been a complete failure. I do »t know whether my bon. friend wished us take that remark seriously. But If we to treat It seriously for a moment, let consider what grounds he hak for that tateknent. In order that he might give him- Blf some apparent ground, my hon. friend lad to cMate a policy in his own Imagiiia* [ion in order that he might have one much ler to attack. He says, addressing the lembers on this side of the House : "Tou |old the House that you were going to estab- pMlereuiUal trade with the mother ooon- r, ybn said you could da -tt, yon said yoh rouM do It, you said you knew ail about tt, it yon had not any doubt about it and ^ou were goiqg to do it; but yon did not do k, therefote your policy is a complete fail* That ^in substance was the statement |>f a^ tamo, friend mo* m4liiiy days ago. Now, rhat was the attitude of the Gtovemment this question last yew? Was it describ- eonwetly by my bon. friend f DM we fty we knew, all aboat this matter, that we rere going to give preferential trade, that liere were no doubts and no difBcnltles, and hat we wi^re sure to do it ? No, Sfr, every lahMninded man knows that that is not a Wreet description of what occurred in this [ouse. What we did say was this : That while re knew well that the Belgian and Qermaij ^reatles had for years been regarded as stand- ng in the way of any such arrangement, we elt that the issue respecting these treaties bad tterer be«D fairly and properly tried out More the British Qovemment; we felt that Ihe moment had arrived when we should Ihallenge the position that was taken on that inestion, to see if something could not be lone to bring about a change tor the bet- Icr. I have stated that we knew that th^ ilgfan lUBd German trsaties mptered to taad In the way, hnt we felt the time had eooiie whM we piraH prssent the ivaestlm to' fore Ber ICajssty's OoTemmcnt in a mm totm, J» ftt» flrst plaM, thMie wa* room iw argnOithtraBd M«i did lurgne, that iwewaeb as the !Belgl|ui and Oerman treaties had ae* Tsr beta ratMed by tte ParliasMnt of Oa». ada, or by the legislatures of the proTiBce of Canada, or by any partfoular legtsutloB any- wheM^, there kas fafr gr'jund tor eoatead- ing that those! treaties could not be made to apply to a self-govfrulag colony Hke Oaa< ada. We bad to tak* the poaitlon, la Ob»>- ada's interest e^d as the advocates of Oaa. ada, that It was our duty to put forward every argument we could ?ut forward la favour of Aad ta support of our claim. We had presMit«d the question to the Bouse ia a form not conlbied to prefereatliil trade with the mojther country alone. We present- ed our proposition to Parliament ta the torn of an otter to extend preferential trade to such countries as might be willing to eKiteiid equal advantages to us. There was a reeit- procal coadltloh in the treaty which opened a new question, new at all events as legards Canada and the mother country. There' had been no previous proposal on such lines, and therefore we felt there was room for ,|agii- ment, and we were bound to argue, that new oanddtiariM Uwt ezlsitM enabled us to qusft- tioo whetter those treatica would have tto effect which hon. gentlemen opposite la this House said they had. We went on to ca»> tend, and we did contend, that even if Bel> glum and Germany wete standing in the way^ as they 'had been standing in the way In tlM past, the new conditions that were imported into tike question since the dfer was iiade to other countrtos, even to Belgium and flee* many, if th^ were prepared to avail ttem* eelveo of the otter, plaeed Canada in si posi- tion which Ber Majesty's Government shonM consider. We were wMl aware that tkese' were debatable subjects, tiiat some of then In times past had been the subject of dltieBi. ties; we knew there were doubts and dUie^ ties surrounding them; and we further know that Her Majeety's Government, ia ittaftnr with foreign nations, would always be dit' posed to interpret treaties in a very Ubteal spirit to the contracting parties; but kaow« ing all these facte, we nevertheless felt Ahat we were bound as the advocates of Caaadtf to put forward every claim which eoald to put forward in its behaU. That was tto po. 9ltion the Government took, and hat was the poeition which my hon; friend tto MIn. later of ICarine and Flsherlee took la fiUs House, and which he took outside of this House, and as an advocate of Canada to was bound to put forward every data to could In order to sustain Canadian interests. In order to show ttot this was the posi- tion we took, thait we knew then w«ro doubta« that we did not take tto posltldia which bra. geatlemen Opposite say we to^ X «n going to ask tto Bouse to bear wItt me while I read a qwHaCton tnom my i8 r ill ' __ -_- V"-' •: ■ ■■ g«t BpMeh of iMt 7Mr, antt I rMul It WcaOM I dMte« to sbow that from tm trnjltt- alBg tbo position wt took WM thl*. not tliat thw« wm no donbt*. not that th0 eoany was clear, hot that doabti and dUBeultlM prtvalled, and that wt wwe r«aolvad to go forward with tha firm eonvlotlon that avan though the rlews we held eoUd not be evsr talned by Her Ifaieety'a OoTemment, the oateoma of the whole nuitter would be to l^raeont the Belglaii and German traatlee In a new light and one which waa Ittaly to bring abont good reeulta. Speaking at the time wten I waa aakkig the Sickoptloti of thla new p«Uey, I need the toUowlng lan|aage : "Now, 1 ehall not ondertaka to paae any " Jvdgmant apoa tnia wry implant qwmr " tlon of the most-faToared nation elaoeea of •• theaa Imperial treaties It la ah Inteniar •• tlaaal qoeetlon, and It la well that we " aiiooM MMTTe oar Aoal Jadpnaat npon ML <• Wa raeognlM that It la,a qoeatlon upon ** wklek we shall ultimately hara to eonault ••with Her Ualeaty^e Goremment, and I heed ••not nagr MWt *Mr ▼fx*^ that mav be taken •* by Bar Majeaty'e QoTemment will be eon- •• iMaiad by the Qvf»rvitvat of Canada wttb •' tha reapeet that la dm to any r a pr eae m tar •• tlaa that might be made npon any inbject, •• bnt aboTC all, on the qoeatlon of an Intar- •• nattonal ehaMM!!ter. I aay that It doea not •• amBi iKtr and eoasonelile that we riiould be " obHiad, while we are oflwrlng certain terms " iMt to Great Britain only, bnt to all eonn- •• trlaa wfakh wlU place themselves In the •• same position — It does net seem to be fair - and reasonable that we should be obliged •• to astead the priTlleges of thla aehedula, '• wkldi we call a reciprocal tariff, to na- •• tlona which are not willing to do anything " la retnni. •1 aAnit thMO may ba dlflleulttes In the •• way. It may be passible that' the riew we •' take of thla matter la not the correct view, •• but wa say It Is cmly fair and reasonable " In tfw taitcMats of Canada,, In t9ie Intarests '• of teir trade between ourselves and Great " Britaki, that we should to-day take the •• poattion that the faroured-natlon clauses " do BoTapply : " I regret that I have mislaid tor the mo> ment ^e page on which I have extended the balantt of the sentence. Mr. ©AVIN. It Is as follows : — •• — and that this resolution, which I put " upon tha Table of the House, win only ex- •'ttoi ta such countries as are prepared to " glT» admission to our products under fair *• terms." ■ The IfimSTBB OF FINANCE. Perhaps tha kan. gentleman will proceed with the reading, because It is very good sense. Wr. 0ATIN. Sir Charles Tnpper then sald-i— 84MM hon. MBIfBBBS. Oh. oh. Tha IflinSTBBOr JINANOB. At that st«ga mt the dbcusslon the leader of tha Op- position exchanged a few worde with me In which he took the ground that the treaty In express terms stood in our way. I con* tlnue the quotation : •The MINISTER OF FINANoE. Even it tt " does, the world moves, and possibly the •* step we are taking to-night may have the " effect — and that may be one of the advant- " ages of it — of drawing the attention of " Her Majesty's Government and ol the Eng- iitth public to tha poaitlra uf thoS« treat- " lee, and thus opening up the qneattoa. " Mealtime, Sir, recognising tha dUBciittliai " recognising ib» poaslbllltles that our Judg- " ment may be mistaken, and nwognfadag tne " obliipatlona wa may owe as part of the " Empire, we Intend for thf present to take " the view thi^ Inasmuch as we offer these- " conditions to other nations, if they do ooit " sea lit to accept them, the responsibility *' rests upon them and not upon Canada." From these paasagea, Mr. Speaker, it wUt be seen that from the beginning we recog- nised the debatable character of the aub- Ject, and the doubts and dlfflcultlea which were before us: and we went forward, not with the assurance that the views wkMi we had advanced would m all respects pre- vail, but even that if our interpretatioa of, the treatlte should not.be upheld, we sbovld place the question befmre the public in such a manner as would show most effectually the objectionable character of the Belgian and German treatlea. True, Sir, the hon. leader of the Opposition said from the beginning that there was no ground whatever for our contention, and ■that no good could come from our action. But better authorities than he admitted that the grounds we had taken demanded grave consideration. A great organ of Brit- ish opinion, usually well Informed in Imper^ ial and colonial matters, the London "Times," emphatically declared that it was doubtful whether these treaties applied to such a case as was created by the action of Canada. Her Majesty's Ministers in London deeified the position taken by our Govern- ment so important that they reserved their- Judgment until the question could be fully argued before the law' oflleers of the Crown. Our views were pi ^ions whi^ would a. sompllih nothing, I ITS no doQbr we should have tailed in re- lOTing the baariers which stood in our way, Bd I have no doubt we should haTs gone on ot years withont aceotnpliiriiing anj sub- intiat result. Efforts have been made by kon. gentlemen opposlts to maks it appear ^hat we could haTe obtained prelarential du- ties in the British maiikets in return tor our •ions, if we demanded such. It has •aid by these boa. geottemen that my It h«a. trlend the lender ot the Qomnb- lent had opportunities when he was in Eng- ot recelTlng whtit are called better ^erms from the mother country, and that he lied to take advantage of these dlpporfnnl- ^ifls; indeed it is said that he refused offers rhlch It is alleged had been made to him. I belicrre, Sir, tor my part that eirery man rho has had portua1ties of sounding pub- lic opinion in England on this subject rea- lises that there wa« no ground WhateTcr tor Kpectlng such preferential terms as we ate ^Id we should have demanded. I do not eliere that any Intelligent man will say iididly to-day, that there is any proba- bility in the immediate or early future of |he British people adopting a policy ot pre- ereutlal trade on the terms mentioned by ly hoo. friends opposite. Uie, ERASER (Qnyaborough). Nor on any TheMINISTER OF FINANCE. My hon. Id (Mr. Eraser) says "nor on any terms,'* kt I will not go so tar as that. I will how- |ver go tbis far, and I will say that rpon terms which hon. gentlemen opposite liked preferential trade, there is not atd ne- (sr was a ghost of a chance of Oreat Biltain tiof it. ' I bellCTe that ervery raan who |as gone to Engluid and has met public » there, and has met the jrepresentativea ihe press, aad has got down among the MMaa ot the iieople, must realise the feet i*t yob eannoe,)|«ttbe masses of the Eng- lish people to Impose diHerential duties tor the beaelit ot tbe colonies. There is a om^ dinal point in sespeet to these duties whidi reaeiMB tha mssfy very quickly. The flist Mtep in a monremenit! of preferential trade' of tliat sort mvet ot necessity look toward* tbe imposition of duties on grain; a vanewal of what are called in English tbe old Cora Laws. I ventured to discuss this phaee ot the ajibteet In my remarks a year ago, and I soall ask tbe House to bear with me while I read a brief extract from what I then aatd. These were my opinions then : This qoeatton of piuiwrentlal tiiade feaa " been mentioned in the Hooee in timsa past. " Leading public men have advocated preleiw ■■ ential trade, but always annexing to their * suggestions a dwnand with which, it was ' well known England coold not comply. All " the advocates of pretereotial trade, at all *' events all who have taken an active pact '* in that movement, bave assumed that as " the fleet atop, Bi4(laeMl must con s en t to " pat a duty on grain. We know that Engi- " land does not view that project with t«v- " our. We know tliat no more uapopulif " projeet can be offered the English peopli " tban to ask them to pot a duty «n Meaul^ " etnflB. It mnj be, a* time rolki on, aad at ** in, «irly day, thei/ may change tbek vlewa. . " It may be that thegr may see it in tbelr ' ■ tmteraat to make tbls distinetlon, and ihv '* maty oiler some preferential teims to (He " grain of Oaneda. If thCiy can be .indueed " to dp tbat by fair argnment, I have no " doubt It Will be a good thing tor Canada. " But why Should we wait tor England to ^ " bake action ? England hae dealt ganar> ' ously with us in the past. England bai^ " " given us a larger degree of liberty perhaps " thnn Is possessed by any other tomibry «n " the face ot the ea«tb. She baa given us " Itbenty to tax her wares evm when she " admits our goods tree, aitJ we hUve taxed " tbem to an enormoue degree. Why sbo«ld " we wait tor England to do mora ? Soma- " body moat make a move in liiis matter, " and we propoee that Canada shall lead "the way." As a gauge of the public sentiment in Eng^ land I believed that these word* were trae on the 23nd of April last, and I believe they will be found to be equally true to-dagr* i There was no prospect thnn; there is no prospect now Iftiat the Bi«lleh people will agree to tax thetr bread to please the Cana- dian people. Some bon. MIMBERS. Hear, hear. Tbe ^MINISTER OF FINANCE. I do uiOt ' say that such a thing is impomlble. On tba oontrary, I admit it Is within the bounds ot possibility, thongb by no memas lOcefy to come in the mtar future. Some bon. MEMBIHRS, Hear, bear. The MINISTEB OF FINANCE. I ven- ture to say, wltb the tuIlMt eonAdaiW% timt ^^^ m^^m^^^- fi^ eJ&^ d^M&^i^ /tfJi^^Mit^ m'^A'^^ ^^vr^^^^^r;^^-^ *^>, ■: , T",i^..j^,.,, ao 11 moh a paUei ia to bt aAo|it«d \>7 th* ■ollMr eooBtiT, It wUl Mt bt bvotaglit alxrat by anir hoeluittrling policy on tb« part ot GMkRdSt or on <0b» patit ot any ol tba colon- |M making dtmaodi of aa iurMMK«abl« eharaetar; bat it will coma aa tba Mault of a p«ad Imptrtal aadtimwit whleb will ovor- rlOa all qatationa of an aDooomie natnra. I npeaA, that it ■och a policy ta to coma it will coma aa tba fnUt ot tl>a growtft of an Imparlal sentiniant, and notbiiif tba* baa oeconad in colonial blatoi^ baa dona ao maab to craata and darcAop tbat aMftimflnt •a tba vary meaawre wbicb tbc ParUamcot at Oanada placad on Ilia 8tatiita4>oolu oJ tMi country laa« year. It being Six o'clock, tba Spaakar left the Cbabr. AFTER REC£SS. The UINISTEB OF FINANCE. Mr. SpaRker, when yon left - praaMd by hon. gentleman on the olhar aide ol the Hooae. In ordar to abow the Tlawa which the Oovtnwunt entertainad laat.yaar on tb«t anbjaet, I bad taken the liberty of qnoMng a peaaaga from my own apaMdi. It had been r e pr eee n tad oeeaaion- ally — lAd my right hon. friend the Prime Mlalater h»A baon pacticniarly attacked on that eoora ittnat itfia QoTenunant of Canada, la return tor conoeaaiooB granted to Oraat Britalo, conld and ahonld hare obtainad eer> tain prelerential advantagea in the Britlab market. I had quoted from my remarta ot laat aeiairtoa ta abow tbAt tiia Tlaw which tba QoTanunent ebtantelned otitbat qoea- tloo waa that, owing to the atrong opinion fttoown ibo pravnll in the motber conaKry on the qoeation ot jMroteeffiTe datiea generally, bat particularly on tha question of protec- tive dntlai affecting artlclea of tood, ttaei* waa no reaaonable ground for beUaring that' any anch preferenitlal terma could baye been obtaiaad in the Brltiah market. Wbat waa It that mored the Britlab public aa the Brltiah public had never been moved before by a colonial legialative enactment ? It waa that the Oovemment and Parlia- ment of Canada, not demanding impoaaible oondMIona, not aaklng tbingB wbich they bnaw or eihioald know the Bntiab public were a»t. .prepared to grant, not raJaing any da- ■MKBd of an unreaaonable ebavaeter, not try- hag to have any huckatering or bargaioihig In ittw tMnaac'tion. bat In a two and gpeneroua aftirit, in reeogmltion ot tbe liberal manner In wbicb England baa alwaya treated her eolenlea, bad not been content to talk pro* lematilal tmde, but bad acted pp et a rai u it i ai brafde. It waa baeauae Canada bad thrown open the door, and bad daalarad HMt ait every eoatan-bouaa, tram ocean to oeaan, tbe goode ol the mother eoontry abonld be. admitted on tarma of preferential trade. It waa whan that atep waa taken that tbe pant heart ot tbe Engliab people waa niovad on thle aubject; and eo, when tba moment ar^ rived wben tbe Imperial autboHtlea wan obliged by the tarma ot tha Oarman and Bal- gian tnatlea to declare tbat ttmtr ware not at libart(y to aecqit tba eonditioua ot pi<»> ferential trade which we ottered — ^when tha Bnglieh people lonnd tbat Canada bad o|ia»- ed tbe door ot ber caatom-4ioanaa in tha ma»> nar I have deacribad, and that by tbe ooadl- tiona of tboae traatiea tiie Imperial Qoiver»> ment were obliged to eloae tbe door and !•» fuae tha of fe r i< b en the Brltiah people u»- deratood, aa tbcar bad never underatoqd b»- fom, the true cbaractar of tboae traatiea, and tbua that* waa aecnred tha public opin- ion which enabled Her Majeaty'e Oovemment to take tha etep from which in former y ear a they bad bean obliged to ahrlnk. I pointed out. Sir, that if we b«d almply failed .to 8q»> tain our groond wUb reapeot to tbe applica- tion of the Belgian and German tnatlee, tbait ithe rteiprooal character oi our tariff entitled na to claim tbat the traatiea did not apply, and thait bad been the whole atory, tbere would have been aome ground f6r tbe claim of hon. gentlemen oppoeite tbat our tariff policy in that reapect had not been a •neoow. But when we were able to ahow, aa a direot and Immediate reanlt of the atep wbteh Canada bad taken, tbat the denunciation o^ thoee treatiea, wbteb bad been bought by tbe eolonlea for eo long a time without aueeeea, waa brought about, then I aay the Ckwernmant ot Canada bad fli 4t It Wtt «id Qtnima ttm/ttm mut arplgr to •ad tliat we mnat adoitt Bclglta and foods tm tanni m toroimbto «• tiw foods of Eaf Imd, tbm M lollowod th»t Iqr tho twna o( tiM kkroantMkKtkm traatlM, «rt wart obllfsd to eoacedi IIIn advuw to tTtry OM ot ttat natlou whleb trmtj ot tlmt klad witli Hm no- tlMT eoimtfy. I haTo b«w • attttMnaot ■howlnf tlM MT«r«l eoontrlM which teT* iMoa broufbt undar tho op«Mtlon ot tht Oao* •dtan pMlonntlal tariff : "OornvtrlM AdrikMitod .by tho Molproeal "ehMiMter ol thoir tariff: Now Sonth *' Waka, BrltMt lodla. Natharlaads, Japaa. "CoantrlM admlttad oadar tiM Bclftan " and Qamao tiaatur : Balfion and Oar- "miaiKy. "GkMintlnlai admltitaa under tiha tavoiucad- natlon traatlea : France, Algeria, and the FvMich Coloolea; ArfntlDa, Aoatrla, Bun* far7> BollTla, Oolnmbla, Depnark, Peraia, " Rnasla, Swedan and Norway, TonU, yeB»- " inela, Swttserlaad/ Liberia, Morocco, Sal- "Tador, South Afrleao BeimbUc, Toofa, *• Spain." The caaa of Franco, Algeria and the French colonlea waa gOTcmad by our own Franeo- Oanadlan Troaty, which had, of eoaraa, recalTed the appiroTal ot the Oanadlan Parlla- mant. In the other eaaes, the laTomwd-oia- ttoo treaties had never recclTed tlie approTal of tha Canadian Parliament; but tbey were aaTertbeleaa held to apply to Canada. Thoa it will be aeen that the preference which we wiabed to give, and which we actually did give for several motitihs to Qreat Bri- tain, had to be axtended to the conntrlea I have nainod; and we refooded to im- povtena dutlea which had bean collected to the laterim npoo goods from thoae aevaral eoantrlAi. Bat all thia will come to an end at a very early day. At the eokd of July in the pneent year the Belgian and Garman traatlea^ will axplre. Canada will not then be obliged to give the preference to either Belgium or OennaDy. With the faU of the traatlea, the claims of other natlooa, under the tavonred-oatlon treaties, to raoelve aqual advaditagea will also fall. Canada will then be fne to eon- flne the bcneflta of her preterautlal tariff to the mother country and to such coloolea as. In tha Judgment of Canada, sh6uld be ad- mitted. That la, Mr, Speaker, what we can do, ami that is precisely what I shall hava the honour of prc^oalng to the House. Dnder the teams of the prefertotlal tariff, as it oow aitande, the second reduction of 12H p»ir cent, making 25 per cent In all, will take effect on the first of July next. For the moment, it will be necesaary for us to give that grelaiter nedoetloe, not o»ly to Greet BfttalB, b«t totka nttom mtltom limn mmtimm, >ii tfea lnatl» «o sot «»• plM aatu tba laat *v ot Jaljr. Wa PKVoaa to rapsal tka MethMB ol tha law and tha aeia- dvla daaltaif iRhi tha praknaMal tarU. Wa prawwa tiMt tha* rspaal ahall taka aBaet on ilia Am* of A/^(Mt MBt, whlah will ba ovoit make tlia mlatalDe BOW, of sappoalng that the tariff to perfect. There are duties in It wbleh are higher than some of ns would Ilka them to be. Thcea are duties whtoh we hope will not remain lor STar or lor a vety long time. There has been, how^Ter, a yery genaral reeo^tlon ameng the frieods of the goTemment of the But that, In a mattw of lAito kind, it to ne- oMMary that we ahould proceed In the spirit of eompromtoe. It was realised that, In a large question, affeottng such a wide area of eountry, with so many eonflletlng Inter- a, we could oflkly hope to work out tiie ilto of the tariff by giving and taking, ae rsqweta the different sections of tlte coun- try* It was recognised by the people that wa aught to avoid, as we did, anch radieal ehangn a» might be calculated to- seriously dJMurb t4ie bnedneas of the country. All ttaaas Aonsideratlooa, Into which the Gov- enanent were bound to enter, and whltih Influenced the policy of the Ooveniineot to a eonaldM«ble extent, have been recognlxed by tlie public at l«rg«. I believe the people arc rea^nahto in that respect, and will not aik Us to make at once that which would be a radl<^1 change, and that whieh might have a disturbing luAuenoe on buslneas. t ^nk U will be admitted that frequent taHff ehsnaee are not desirable. Some- thlBg m the nature of tartff atablUty Is much I to be dwlraife. It to batter, even,, tkat wa skoaM bear with eone Inequamiea that may aatat, thaa snOir the giuater •vlto wMeb woald arise troD fraqoiBl tarlR changes. We have iMd rsfwesentatloaa matte by a number of Intarsata whton, ought to lueeiva more eonaldaratibB of these presintad eaan whtoh have, to extent, coounanded than to our }u4nMBt, and If we were opening op the general ravf* sioo of the tariff, or a ravlsloo to any eo»- slderabto «tMit, we would be abto to toad a willing aar to some of tlia m ) i wi n tatlone that have been made to us. But we tbtok, Sir, on the whole, ballavlng as wa do that t^e cbangas la ths ment the duty shall be oollaeted on a baato INI what to nailed In the Inland Bevenna D^ partmcnt the standard weight, tinder tlie Axlatlng law, tobacco to dotlabto on the weight when It paseea through the euatoms. AmanaDements have bean made by some •! the large manutacturers to dry tobacco before It paeses out of the warehouse, ao that they do m>t pay on Urn motot weight. Other manaiactnneas, not being so well abto tu do that, are obliged to pay on the molet weight. It aesms only fair and equltabto that we idionid treat all aUke, and when It to to be dipaH with by iha Exclee Depart- ment, tbat the regulatlone of that dnpart- mont Ahould be adopted la the mattar. With regard to ^« duties on tobacco, which were Increased laat year to a coneldarabto extent.. I am free to say that I have doubt* that thto la as wise a meMnaa as we hoped It would proVe. I may aay frankly that I am afraid it has led to an Increase of smuggling to a very eonelderable eoctent, and we may weU consider, art a future day. whether or not we cao sueomefnlly enforce so high a scale of duty. However, the law In that respect baa been In force for a very ehort time, and ' ...Or. Mk^e^A£f^^i«^tti '^i-^^'^-c^P^^ »3 W0 tklak It 0DI7 fMMMbh to ajtf It • iKlMr trUl iMlun w« oaadwui* tH 80 w« 4e BOt propoM to mftk* •■y eMSf* witb Mt«rd to tolMceo «im|K m I teTt iiuit ao- aooatod. Bvt, Sir, wtallt It 1i a goodtbiof to •▼old what U oalltd tertrt MnkwloK, tie-n 4c JobC • poMtbllHjr tiHkt in oi>i l^mnlDC that psMtlM w* may 90 too t»t. I fluid tiuvt UutW tinkartnf la an w p r— loo whtob «>a«Qa dUItnnt ttalofi In tlM mtoik of dllter> mt aB«i. A man who la qalta aatlaflad witb tha tarlB thlnkii ttaat any lattl wi w wliOi It la tlnkarlns, wh««aa a man who la not aatlafitd thlnka tltat •oom ehaoga auob aa ha dailraa wonld ba high ataiamnaiiahlp Wc wMi to voard a(alnat traaoMkt ehangaa In tha tariff, ayalnat tariff tlndDartiic, but taft «a ba oaraliil how wa eonTay tha lnp*«»- alon t0 tha public, baeaoN wa do not maan It, UiM w latard tha AarlB aa final. L«t k not ba c tiie manufaetn^er that If he de- ahea perroaneowy In the tariff, he muat nenrer an eapael piiwM— j wrtil Ika twtf to a moileMta patati Md tiHtay dntlw IB tlM taril ao high tkail I mi tM Oowaramaat «a« aot prepared to UMa aa part .of a panaaawt tadfl. I ttM, Btr, In M aplrtt but that of MandllMaa to the maaolaetortng hateraata. While tha. mannfaetufara are u> a fairly good paaMlun to-dcj, It woald ba a mlaiaka far theai to fall to raaltot the taet'tbat Oaaada haa tam- ed IKV faeeiAjwif from a high tariff p«ilky, and tfnongn wa aMqr proeaad alowly, what- arar progrHa wa nato tron tMB ttaia tor- ward moat be aad abofald be ^ tlie dlraatloa of graatar freedom of trade. Boa. gentlMnen have aiready obaarred that In tha Imperial Parllatoent tha Oolealal Bao- retary, «be Bight Bon. Ifr. Ohanharlaln made eome relereaea to nagoftlattooa that ware taking plaee batwean tha Ooaatalan ol Oanada, United SUtaa aikd tbe Went ial\M with regard to raeiproeal trade. Theae i.e- gotlatkma, ao far aa Oanada la caneamMl, haiva not gone very lar, aad wa have not much to contmnnloate to the Hooae ooneo'n- l«ig thaoB. But we are of opinion tl-tt, without watting for the eteipleitlon of tbeea negotiatlaiM, without waiting lor the deve- lopment of all that la likely to arlae la eon- neetlon with that aofbieet, thare are oppor- tunltlaa opmilag to ua to-day of which wa ahonld take advantage to enlarge ithe trade between Oenada and the Weat Indlea. Wa think that aomathlng of thla kind ahonld be attampted In the Interant of Oaoadlaa trade, beeanae there am large opportunltlea of development In that quarter. There are a million and tbree-quartcn of people In the Britlab Weat Indl^, If we Include Bar- muda, who are our natural cuatomera, with whom we ebouM have more ezteodad trade relatlooa. Whan we vemember that of the 880,000,000 pounda of angar eonaumnd tn the Dominion of Oanada, only 25,800,000 pounda come fraoi the BrRleh Weet Indlea, our' natural cuatomera, and thiat the re- mainder eomee from other countrlea, larga* ly tpota eoratloental natlonia which anpply ua with beet angar and take little or nothing from ua, I tihtnk the Houae will agree with me that we oni^t to deelre an ertnaldn of our trade wUh the West Indlea and to ^eon- aume to a larger extent the prodttote of that couDtTT. If we were to, put aaidi all oilier loiHRhmratlone, the advantagea of trade with ttat country appeal ao atMngly to vm tbitt I am aure the H'nae wonld dart r e ua to make a >(i>e aperfal efnt to extend our buelneea In I her Quarter. But there la another eonaldea«tlon which we may well take Into our mliide. Tbe Weat India question tou8 coionlee ol the Bmplre. But Si!fiS"'l;^-..ii,iU ■.ii'.iiliiSkMM.-S,;L:i^J£kii.^Lli^aiilii;'& i''-?l«j^£^4te moot would yield to the reeomm«id«tlon ol Sir Henry Nomaa and eetabltoh eoaatorvnll- Ing duttoa. However, any dMJbt ^t mlg^t hate exiatod on tnat aoora haa been tvtaovtA of late by a apeech delivered at Liverpool by the Colonial SecratMury, Mr. Chaniberlaln< In thait apeechi he Indicated that the Brtttoli Goveimment were not prepared to aeeapt tha- remedy of countervaiUqg-dutiea, \bnt that they vrould eeelk in ortlier waya to aeatot th* poaitlon of the Weet Induce. I have aheador atated that meoeunee are before the Impor- ial Parliament now to give aid in the ahape of granta and loans for public worke. It to atoo hbe daadre of Her Ma}eat|jr'e. Gonremmenit to eaelBt the Wast Indtea in othar ways. Et- toi«B are being made to imduoe the T^mt In- dia people in aome of the' tolanda to give np tSie gvowihg of sugar, and devQta thedr ail>> tenMon itn other pnoducts which It to thought the tolande will sucoesefully pro- dice and oo donbt aominMiing will be done la that diractian. Whlto tihe produetiion' ol angnr haa been ateadilQr fafitng oB, the pro- duction of other artielee, chiefly fruite, haa' been very largely estcnded. Still, sugar to and mnat be the chief iMroduct of the Weat Indtoe tor the praeant and for a long time tn come: and uwleae there can be a proAtebto maiirait for Hie auRur of the Weet Indiee, I am alrald there is not very much hope of tii[» lellef wihich the West Indies desire being ob^ talned. Knowing as we dio tSmit Her Ma- ieaity'm Government are following this que»- tion very cloaely, knowing that •they are dealing with a aerlous poxiblam in the lace of many dlfflculttoe, it hoe occurred 1» ua that, as the Weet Indies are our natural^ market, as the(y are British coioolea, though far away In one respeot, colonies with which we have close mlatiQne, that we have some Imperial reeponslbilltles to this matter — ^It haa occurred to us that we should be will- ing in a small way to lend a helping hand to those ooloodee In the sunny south. If we adhere too rigidly to the underlying feature of our preterential itariff, I am afraid we Hhall have to axtanit that the terms of the itaritfs of the Weeit Indies are not tavonrabte to us, and perhaps we could not by a mere reciprocal clanee ext«nd the preferential tar- iff, to the Weet Indies. We have examined the tariff of the West tndiiee, and we And that while they are ihlgh tn riffs to a considerable extent, they are in no senee proteortlve tarifis. The diatiee im- pneiad are largely on food products, and these, as we can well understand, are the very things that Canada might hope to sell. I hav* here a statement which I shall sum- marise, If my hon. friends will permit me to do ao, showing the operation of these Weet India tarltto on some of the cMeif products of Canada : , ■'-'• V'-"j.iJ^.->^'' '.Mt>^^-'-: i . J^t^^tUtMJtSLil^iL.'^ m y^;:..^-o".^.»^^^;>*^V^^''^ ^ W'^~— ^ I— bS I-' 00 g* f ? fc ^ ^ 00 00 1— o e 5=1 §• CJi ^^ p— t-^ O Ol IB O) •O 0» 05 a. a. •g to to (B OB e» »a Cb S n 21 1 P^ ® I— ? if "El o o g" w IB a o ^ — o y 2 • ST * en g V "S ^ 00 K- to o n o a> -o ^ "5 "S ? » » r C2 IT 12 .5" I s •■^^ms^mp^^^^^m?^ mM P\ *'i5?*!^-.'''' X *^>i ' ^^'- *T"^' V ■'i *iA^ ' a6 m. I ift'ii.'. I tfalnk It eamiot iM «ont«iMM tiiat In tmj cam tliM* an yndMtlTa.dotlM.'v Tbair •>« sot dMlgaad to culadt tii« pnodneta of Oaa>- •da, «r iDdHd to nchid* th« prodocrti of •DOT epnatarr, buft Mumk ptople flnd tb&t tfea lUiBMMltlM ot tlMlr rovsatM obllc* ^Imb to tu food pvodDote >«i7 hMTlly. Tbeniqn, M I —.16 m moment ago, warn we to apply too rigidly th« prtnclpl* ot pxnr pretenptial tanilf to tboM eolonlM, I am toeUnM to think w« eonid not properly admit tbem to tba bcneOt ot tliait tariff. Neveirthaleao, la ▼lew ot the ecvditdan ot attain wihiefa ex- lata tben to-day, to viow ot our own dealiw | to extend par tTineea have long oanied on a trade with tiioae lalaoda, chiefly fct Qah and lum- ber, tbough other prodoets hare been eoM aa well, ft we Incveaae our purcfaaaea ot Weat India angani, aa we hope to do, Itiera ia no reaaon to doubt that our caporta In theae lioea will be incmaaed. But, Sir, we do not think thia trade aaoold be conilnad to the mairitlme proTtncea; there doea not aaem to be any reaaon wliy the producta ol the proTinoe ot Ontario and the great went ahould not find a large matrkeW In tte Weat Indies. It we look into the etatlatica ot the laUnda we will find that the West Indtea are large consumero ot tood products auch aa w« ralae In Oanada, but w» find thait thie bulk ot thoae prodneta are bedog recelTed trom the United Statea. My hoo. iriend the Minister ot Tiradie end Coitamerce, aaya, Hirougii lOie United Statea. There ia aome- thing in that polnit; but I think the great bulk ot the tood producta tor toe WeoM: In- diea an tbe pgvodncta ot the United States aa well aa harlng been ahipped trom the United States. Theire does noit aecm to be any good reason why the flour, cheese, ba- con, ham, lard, butter, and the varloua aiv tlelaa which the tarmera ol Ontario and the waat produce oonld not have aa tair a (dianee ot eale In the markaita ot tiMi West aa atmilar piodnvts trom tfbe Undtad StatM. There haa baaa a dlfflealtgr in tta paat, I think, ittaraogh lack ot attention to tiNM markets. Bometimea a merchant, witb as wwaieaMe atock, tiiinks it a yttj almple thing to damp it on the West Indies mar* bet, and tfaeo be eomplalns that he baa not made any moneiy on It. Yon cannot do boat* neaa in the Waat btdJea or aniywhCBre elae la tliiat way. Our prodncera moat realiaa thaik in order to aeAl their gooda m thevWaaft I» diea itlwy must aaoertain the eonditiona at the market and adapt themaelTea to thaaa conditJona. Bu«j auiely there ia no naaoa why the farmers and merenanta ot Gaaada eanoMt adapt themaelTea to those marfcato Jnat aa well aa the tarmera ano merehaats ol the Unltad Statea. We balleTe it care be taken to inveatigate the market, it e^ ba taken In colteetAng the right artlolea aa iv quality, in aending them out at the propv time and in the manner oi packing taking care that the quality la what Waat iDdlaa market wanita and tha etyle ol padsaga ia what ia required, there ii a fair ebanee of vary oonsldeiable exbenaioB 9t Canadian trade in that quarter. For yaara we ha^e had two ateamahip nuiDftag to tbi^ Weat luxttea: one trom Hall- Baz to Jamaica, and. the other trom St. Jote and Halifax to Gaorgetowu, DenuHwaa, whidi la on the maSnlamd of South Amerlea.. But tha line trom HalifaiX and St. Johs down fio Demerara la by a route layol/flag ao many porta ot ca][l that by the tiaua the desitlnatton ia oneaehed the voyage la a tery tang one, and the impooiteaa at the dliK tantt polnta claim ttiey have not tha aaaMr opportunity to trade with Oanada aa witti the United Statea. It ia very deairehle. It it can be ecoompliahedr, and thoiii«h wa have no prlee, and we do nat expect you to make vary great oonceaalaaa to ns: but it any moana can ba denrlaad wherefby ohataclea to Caoadlan trade eon be removed in that qoairter, we have no doubt that ynn, our brother eolonlata, win «7 m to tlw joa. * •pltlt aa wt dMlM to /nierc te MUiitiMr direction In wbddi w* thtnik we cftii do a little to taalp^the paopla of the Wflst Indues. Ttae pscMot mathod of Ienryln«r ttia aaffer dotlea In Ganadfi oimt- ates mlayoaraibly to tiiie anicar trade wltb the Weat Indies. T■ a flat apecl- fle dnty of OD»4iialf cent per pooad on raw ' ancair. It adimltB 61 very lar^e TarlatAoiui and very larv> Inlnstlcea. A aogar tcaitlng by the polarlscope at 75 degnea to worth 86c. par 100 Iba., and 60c. Jnty repie— uta 58 per cent. Su0ar taatlng 96 degteea la wonth 92.87 par 100 Iba.; 60c. duty npra- aanta 22 per cent, as agalnat 66 per oeot oa the lower giradei. I dio not prvtend that we can haye abwdute equality In tbaaa mat- tare, but 1ft will be adtnttted that tlie aye- tem of levylnfir dtntdea oparatea unequally. We had for aome yaaira In Cftnacfca tlie polair- laoople teat, aind I leatro from the cuatoma autborltles and tromall whom I haTe •abed Inlonnaitlon, that tt worJced very well. Then lor several yearn raw sugar waa tree. In 1898, Vie. po«md waa levied. I am not In- formed, of course, as io what waa In the mtod of Ah9 hon. member for Tors (Mr. Tot- ter) when Le levied It. It waa probably leyled la a hurry without mupti thoughit beting given to tt, and It haS operated unfair- ly. The duty waa a small one amd I oan readily understand ttatat ooe might hn- agtoa that there could not be vary much tn- eqaalHy In applying It. But experience has sho^rn that even with half a cedtt a po«nd ttiers to inequ'allty of duty agalnat angara of ttw lower gradtea, and a cooeldeanable quan- tity of the Weat India augara to not of blgb VNtda. Wbsn we deal with food products mlly. It to not daslr«ble to eneouraga lew grades, and for that reason a epeclfle duty OD Sood to advocated by aome hon. geavtla- D>en wbo do not believe In specific dnl^ In orwJtar cases: but I call attention to tbe toot tlieit raw sugar, especially of low giradea, to not 6 food, and to not likely to be eeten. Raw sugar Is a raw material which only be- eomea a food after It to reflned, and there- fore we ifaAva DO particular dealra to legto- lattt against It. Inasmuch as there to a eonalderaA>le quantity of low gradle sugar, not so low as 76 degreea, out of moderately low grades, on the merkft, It to not tba baainoBB of Canada to turn away tbe trade which this sugar offers. While oar tanltf Is operating m itunt way, ttie tariff of the tTalted States is graduated so aa to eneonr- age tbe trade In these k>w grade eoeim. They have adopted the pokurlscopic teat and tbe efteet is to establtoih a gradneted aeato of duties whereby low giradcs pay In jtropor- tkm to tlieir value. THe imlarlaeoplc sy*- tem to praotloally under another name an od nklMam duty; lo^w gnade angnr paya Itai po<»- porMon -and hl|^ grade paya aceonHnc to Ita value. '■' ' Wa tbaretora preiiose «o raeara to tiM po- lar«Mioiple ayatttb used In Oauada ao saeee»> fully a law y^^va ago. We propose to begta a« the limit of 78 degraas by polacdaeofte nest and diarga lor tfeat degree or aoytklac below It a duty of 40e. par 100 Iba., and wa add l%c. for eack addttloaial degree. Tba averagt teat pf ranr sugar used to Osoada to-day la so far aa we can obtain Inlonna- tlon, 92 degnea b^ the polartoeope. That tnibiniaitton coom from the reflnara, who poa- aesa tlto beat knowledge; one gave 91% and tin otber 92 degrees. Asaomlne that to be tSia comet average, and applyitag our a«w aeale of datiea to tbe present oonsomptlOD of sugar to Canada, we find that on 92-d«gMe aogar the dloty will be 66Hc. p«r 100 lbs., aa against 50c. per 100 lbs. under ttw pi»- sent tariff. Sn the early part of my rcmaita, I stated tbat in oonaeqvence of the reduetloo we at* oblige to make in duties on British tmporta aftsr lat July, and to maintain our flnaaosa In a strong condltlo(D, wl want to maks aome material addlttons to our revenue to some other quartera, and we propoes to do tt in the way of InaMng a small Increase to the dnttea on angar, alttiOugih the dutlaa we propose will be very much ksa than tiieae wlilch prevalleid to Canada a tew yean a«o. At 92, if we tBiae that aa proper standard, the duty ah«Ul. be 65)^ cents per 100 pounds. But tliare must be conslderad In that ctn^ neetkm the preffirentlal tariff to whioh I have referred, and which will take efleot aa regards tlu West India sugar after tlia lak day of Auguat nextu If we apply that pe»> terential tariff to the 66% cents per 100 nounda, ttw quarter of It under tlie prater^ ential rate will be 16 87-60tha, which will toave the preferential rat^ at 49 1-8 centa aa agatost tSw existing rate of 60 eanta par 100 pounda. Ttiat to to say, upon so mueh ol our sugar conaumptioa aa wa may be able to oibtaln from the Britlsii Weat Indlea under tbe new order of tbtogs there will be no iaeraase, but on the contsary then will be a slight cadnctton of duty, it beiac— 4f th< average a« given to me to corrac^— 49H «• agalnat 60 to the present tariff. But as respects that portion of the sugar irihtch may aot come from the West .Indies, but which may coou trom ottaar conntriea titan will of course be the small inmaaaa I bav« mentkmad. prodn»> Iraa Mr. WALLACE. It mast be the tlon of the West Indies; not only them but produced there. The MliNISTBR OF FINANCE. Oh, yai^ certainly. In tiw ceee of fractdona of a d»> gna we propose that wban a finuctlOD to five-tenths or Icse It riiaU not count, but when It to mere than flvaMtsntIm It sball oofont aa a degree, ao that lor tiw pnrpoaa of revenue we will hare no fraettoaa, doNi ^^^:ff^^^' •s I' w m M: t«n to the «acif«at of MU a ISm cflMt of tlili apo^ tlM fffnm is • VW7 dlfleolt oiMitlOD to dMil with and wf can oody gocM at It. It dapaadu «itlrcly vpoB liow mneli sugar majr eomc tn andsr tits pfManntlal rate. Upon all sn«ar li^t may eonw la tvom tbs West ladtes andar tbe pmferentlal rate we will nealre no husnase wbateTor, bat will ««eelTe a Ikitle lets doty then QiMler the present tarlfl; bot lor wbat- erer may ooine In from atb*r cotjintrtes we will TCselTe an tnereaee to tbe eoiteat of 16H eents per 100 pooiida. We think It will give OS a moderate amount of reTeoue. . One can only guess at 1m>w much reTeoas It will I^Te, bscaoae we hare no menus- of knowing aa tn what pioportlon ol W«et badtta engar will be drawn into our markeiilB by thte aiv ran^ainent. Our hope and desire is that we shall largely incresae tbe oooauoiptlon of West Indies sugar. As 1 m-ntioued a moment a«o, uor coneumptiton of sugajr is 880,000,000 ponmds oiit of which we necdve at present only 25,600,000 pounds ttom the Brittah West ludtes and firitlah Guiana, but we trust that the offcot of thle arrange^ ment may be to largely increase that. It our ao^cipatlone in that respect are realiied we will of oounee get no increase of duty from that source but will actually get a Ut^- tie less. How«Tar, upoo eo much of the sugar as may not come from the West In- dies, we win get an increaoe to tha extent of 15V^ cents pear 100 pounds. With respect to Hhe duty on refined sugar, we propose to apply the polairlscope to that also. In the case of raw sugar we take as our ataiting point 73 degrees, but in the oaae of refliMd sugar we take as a moitter of course a higher starting poiat. We pnopose that the duty on refined sugar shall be fl.08 oente per 100 pounds on su- gar testing 88 degrees, or anything below that; and for eirery a!.p^Wi: 39 " tli» AppTOTMl Of tto QoTamor in Cowell, " BMke aoch ngalatloo* a* tn«7 te dMntd " iweCMMurj for carrying out tht lnt«otloo of •• tlite Mctlon." Y- dncts of Qneat Britain and tb« pcoctaieta of llw Brltiah coloodM in the Wcat IndlM; and tban we bare a speneml elaoM wtaflMby we may admtt tb« iwodacta of any otber Brititii eolooy ttatt tariff oooidltiooa of which am darned to be favoorable to Oanada. Under tbait claoae we will admit at once tlie pro- ctnets of New Sovftlh Walea and the product* of Britleih India; aod if the tarlffa of any otaier cokmtea am or tdtall be made faToar- able Odd eatlefactory to Oanada, the eeme may b4 eztended to them. I ehall moTB : "That ftt la ezpedilent to provide that Sotaie^ "dule **D" to '"The Cnatome Tarlfl, 1897," " aball be leiMeled 00 and after tbe fint " day of Augoet in tbe preaent ygar, one " thouaand eight hiundred and ntDretiy-eigSiit, " aofd thait the following eohledale eiball be " anbetitated therefor : — SGHEDULB "D." Brltieb Praierantlal Tariff. "On artlclea tiw growtik, produce or " manufaeture of the United Kfagdom of " GKreat Britain and Irelaod, or of any Brl- " tlah colony or posaeaeion emtltled to the " benefits of this preferential tariff under " aaotlon seTenteen, t3ie datdee mentlooMd In " Schedule "A" sball be reduced aa tollowe : ¥ — ^The reduction aliall be ooe-iourth of the " duty mentioD0d tn Schedule "A," and tlie " doty ho be levied, collected and paid shall " be three-fouiMM of tiie duty nientioned in "Sebedute "A." "Provided, bowever, that tbds redaction " shall not apply Do any of tfefB lollowlng ar- " tides, and tiuvt aneh articles siMtll in all " eases be subject to ttie dntdes mentioned In "Sohednle "A," vli.:^ — ^wines, mait llqnoi*, " spirits, spirituous liquors, liquid medtetaee " and articles oontalnftng aloobol; tobacco, " etagrs and olgarettee. "Provided further, tluut the rednetion " shall only apply to mflned sugar when "erldenoe satlefactory to the MInMar of " Customs ie fumilsfaed that sudi refined r>a- " gar baa been maoufacturcd wholly from " raw sugar piodooed tn tfae Britleih eolon- " lee or posseaaiciie." That Is to say, that Inaemuch as we would not admit toredgn sugar In Its iww state un- der onr preteremtial taiiff, we will not ad- mit the reflned sugar made trom that raw sugar; but if any sugar 1» parity. Ths oos question whkh seclouily thnatanad the mnaony of onr people and the goiodhwlll which ahonid prevail bstwaoi our eltlaena of different creeds — a qoestloa wblch 4 lew kn^tha ago waa a burning OM and e eause of great anxiety— baa been ae happily eetitled thatf niow It Is aeareely men> tioned. &t no time In the history of ths Dom^tailon have the people bete more unUaid, more harmoniouB, and more hopeful and eonfldaut respecting ttt future of our coun- try. In the centree of maonfacturaa, trade and oommeroe, there is an acrtlivi|[y wbteh tells of confldenoe in the present tod in the foture. The great agricultural kvtcreets, which are the Soundation of our country's prosperltQr, are on a bertter footing than tor many years past. Encouraged to ^roduee not only for the home markets but lor the markets of the world, our fanners erery- wheie are applying themselves to their work with intelligence and skill. The ships which have come to our seaports during the pa«t year, are bisufRcleUit to carry the In- ereaeilng volume of commerce, and the ship- wrights of the world are busy in eonetruet- ing new vesaeUi for this trade. Onr long de- layed eanwl eDlargencnts aro being pressed forward to early completion, and g^ve pro* miee of affording Increased facilities for thi transportation ol the produeta of the great west to our shippbtg ports. Railway entaiv prises east and west are actively assisting In the good wore.' The fMhermen of onr At- lantic and Pacific eoasta eootlnne to reap the rich harvest of the sea. In all direetlooe we find an eatranrdtnary development of the mineral weakh of the Dominion. The pow- erful magnet of gold, which la Sonnd In eet- eral quarters of the Dominion, Is doing much to attract oai^tal and pofiulation. The new mines In the provlnoe of Ontario give pro- mise of great development and prnOt. Jn the eaef, the mtaee of Nova Scotia, whleh have been worktog with oonelderahle success tor many* ycwre, are to-day giving most sait> tsfactoitr results, and new dlsooveries an constantly being made. In the west, tiis province of British Columbia le steadily growing toi tame ae a rich mining eoontrar. The northern regions of our Dominloii, which were long regarded ae of little value, have become souroee of boundleHS wealth. ▲ lew years ago, ae I sat at the breakfast table in a Pairle hotel, I waa addressed by a neighbour, of whn«« nationality there eoald be no doubt. "Su,»' he eaid, "from wUa* part of our Uttle Republic might you be T" I answered tha« I was not from hie "Uttls Republic" but trom the greater one to tlM north. My (rlend waa pussled for a mom- ent, and I had to remind him i^at the gveah- ':}.■'(',:" 30 i ' i. af part of Ht» Kortb AmerteaD Continwt dM aoit tMloac to hto "Mttte Bapablle," bpt WW undar tti« Brittob fl«g. '*W«U, 8tr," h« taM trtimpbantly, "w« do oat elrnim to own tiM loo hoiue." Th«M gmut nortlMm ng- loui, wlidch my AnMrleao Irleiid daMvibad ao ooatamprtnoiuly as "tbt lab luMiaa," ara to* da^ coonted among tba (anuou* lands pf tiM world. The •'Yukon" and "Klonddka" ax* wnrld-wlde namas, aqd the, land tiirongfa wUcfa >theae rivcia run is arttraetlng to IMeU manor tbouaaods of paoplai tram iti» great eentrca of elTftlMtion. In naarly every d»- partmant of Induatry In Canada tfliare la ae> tlTiftgr and eonfldanoe. We are not foolLsb eneni^ to claim ttaat all 4flilB liaa been brtfOght about .\>y our po> Itcy, eUfao^gh we ai« well aware tibat If tba reeuMa had been tba reverse, tbc btame, Juat^ or unjuatly, would barve reated upon our abonlders. We are well awan, and wa giaiMally jeeogDlae tbe fact, tbat tbe proa- parity that baa come to Canada ia dot to tbe liberality of a kind Prortdenee in giving ua a boontiful harveat. One thibg we do claim , and' all we claim, as nespoeta oar po- licy, Is ttaat ao tar as leglalative meaaorss may help to encourage and strengthen a peio> pie, such baa been the reault of tlw action we have taken. Against tbe represeoitaitlona (rf our opponamta we place the record of tbe paat year, and tte Judgment of the Bmplre at large. Never was a tarUI policy adbmit- tad to Parliament', which wa« received with gieatsr aaitistaeftlon by the people of Canada, tlian tiMut which waa ajDnonnoed a year t^ffo. Never in the Uabory of the British ooloniea waa a maaaure propoaed which in ao large « . desrae commanded the Inliereat and reealvad the approval of Great and Greater Britain, lit waa hailed with Joy by the trienda of BrltMi Imperial imAtor in every land. It was commended by Her Majesty in liar speech from tte ThKone In tbe Parltauneavt ait Weat- mtaater. It was the anbjtet of thousands of airMcIea of the miost eommeodsbtory charac- ter, In the British and colonial press. Bnd- ynrd Kipllnc the poet oi the Empire, waa quick to Seel the wave of sentinient that Kased over Great Britain, end witk\in a lew ut« fMHu the aomouncemeot of ifhe tariff, he embaknad the auibjeet in apitflted Itnea which will live in the history of Cariada, and which, erven if, aa aome bave thongbt, they may conv«or inaccurate impreealona as to the eoldneas of our clisaate, will nevertheOeas «ell to every reader " ad by Her Majesty's Government and the " people of this country, as a measuM wblob " cannot tail to reenlt in material beoeflt to . •• the mother country and to Canada, and to " weld bogtiitber atill mors firmly the tias " which now unite them." Sir, the policy which Her Majesty's Gov- ernment so warmly commended, was a po- licy designed to aatablish preferartial totade between Canada and the mother oouMry. llo-day we submit a propoaal vchaeh entargas tbe sjDbere of that preferautial tnade. To-day we propoae to Include within Its beneAta a lai\gs gMap of British colonies, the affaln of wUch are at thia moment' a cause of nuitih anxiety to Her Majesty's Government. Thna step by step the good work goes on. 0ns step remelne to be 'taken, and I belteve the day is not far distant whm we shall be ahle to take It— a step which will extend the bencftts of the preference, not only to Gteat Britain and the colohles which we ha.ve now Included, but to every eolony and poe- sesaiOD of tbe Empire. The following are the resolutions :— "1. That it is expedient to recwal section ' six of "Tbe Customs Tariff, 1897," and "to substitute the fottowikic sectloB thM»- * " for :— "6. The importatloik into Canada of any " goods enumerated, deacrlbad or reS- ted to " in Schedule "G" to this Act is prcibited; " and any such g^oods imported sLall tberch " by beeome forteited to the Crown and may " be destroyed or otherwise dealt wHh am " the Mtadster of Customs may direct; and " Sidy person Imponting any such prohibited " goods,' or oaosing or permitting them to "be inliported, shall tor each offence incur a penalty not exceeding two hundred dollars. "2. That It is expedient to provide that "section seventeen of "Tbe Customs Tariff, '* 1897," shall be repealed on and after tte " first day of August in the pteseot year, ' " one tmoosand eight hondnMli c-mA ndnety- " eight, and that the follow n-; ^iietlon sImJI " be sttbstitated therefor : — "17. Artdclee vrhlcb are the growth, pro- " duce or manuilaetare of any of tbe foUow- " teg countries may, when Imported direct " Into Canada from any of each countries, " be entered tor duty or taken out of ware- " house for consumption in Canada at the " Rdnoed itate of duty provided in the Brlt- " Ish pretanantlal tariff set forth la BehsdDls " "D"te thde Act :— (a). Tbe United Kingdom of Great BVltali andlMiani. '■^K-J^r^M^^J^'*' ■i- 31 <|»). TlM BrttWi Oolong of B«mmi4«. e). TlM BHtlab OolooMi eommopljr oallad ttw Biitlili Wi^ ladki, laelndlBS '^ itlbe toHowlnc:-- I\be,Balk*iBa». Turks Mand and tlw Catooa lalaiuki. Th* iMiwmxA uaaatOm (Aurtlgna, M. duriBtaiilMr-NieTla, Oonlnloa, Miomt- mumtt and tSie Virgin lalancta). The WifldiwafTd lalaada (Qranada, Bt.' Vlneeat and St. Lucto). BarlNbdocB. Trhkidiad and Tobago. Brftlah OuiaiMi. (i). Any other Britlidi Golongr or po M i e i loo tlM onatomt tanftt of wliieh, 00 tbe wbole, to aa favourable to Oan- ada aa tte BrttMi pralmBAIal tacUt iMMto relenwd to to to aoeh colony or poMMMion. "ProTlfled, lwwflv«r, tbat mannlaetarad ' artlelM to be admlttxd nnd«r rach pref«r- * aDtlal tatrtfr aball be bona ttdt tli« mano- * taetnrM of a country or eoantrlM •ntltM ■ to tiw benefltB of aaeh tariff, and itb«t ■aob 'bancdta aball not axtcnd to the Importar- '•bkn of AttdelM Into tte poodkiotloD of * whleb tbora haa oMt cntMired a aabatantlal ' portion of tbe labour of aoeh eoontrlea. ' Any qu a a tl on tfaatt may aorlaa aa to any aav ' tlclM bednc cDtitlad to ancb bcnOta ahall * b« dacld«di by th« Mlnltfter of OuatMint, * wboac dactoloo aball be floal. "2. The Minister of Ouatome, wMh tbe ap- ; proTal of tlie Oovarnor In Oouncll, afaall '* detenffine what BrltHeti ooloolee or po anco '•lona friiall be enbltleid to iiie benefttB of * tbe pndeaneatilal taadff under elaaae (d) ot " «bto aeetKHi. "8. The MInlBtar of CoaboaiB may, wlitb * the approval of ttie Gorevnor in Council, ' make socb ngnlatlonfl as may be daemad * necaasary for eamydng out tbe tobeotloa ot '* ttato seotkyn. "4. TiMt It Is eocpedlaut '* following tberefor :— 485.' All sugar above number slitwn Out^ta standard In coiknir, and all rafliwd sagan of whatever ktnds, grades, or staadaids, tesAlag not more than elgbty-elgbt degaess by thn polarlscope one dollar and edghft cents par one hnndnd pounds, duty, aco traotlons of moie ttm n flve-tenrtihs to be dutiable as a d»- grae. Bagar, nue.s., not above number eiztnen Dutch standard to colour, sugar dralBlngs or pumplnce dtalna4 In tmnaM, metedo or conoeotntad mcdado, tank bottoms and sugar coocrete, testilng not mom than a»- vantyHlvn degrees by the polarl- ■cope, lorty cent* per one hnndMd pounds, and for each additional d»- gPW one and on»-haU cents per ona toondred pounds. Fractione of flve- tenthe of a degnee or less not to ba subject to doton, and IractknM ol more than flve-tonths to be dutiable as a dewnee. The usual packages In which imponted t» be free. .. n^" ^ •"* **« o* Schedule "A" to The Curtwns Tariff Act, 1897," shall be .. I!?!2?^ "• ■■** ***^ *•* ""* ««!y of Jnly » II'^^"^* y^'' «» thousand eight hoaAKed and ntoetyvelgivt. "7. Tha* it to cKpedient to provide that ^ on and after the flrait day of Jniy, in tbe „ P"?'^!.?!?'' °^ ttMJuaand eight hundred .. ^55^"**^' *"* toJIowing items shall be added to Schedule "B'» to "TIm Am. " toms Tariff, 1897" >— J"68e. Tobacco, unmannlafltaMd. for aoc- "fSi'ss:' IS!* ~^***^ *»'**•"- "8. That It to axpedlwe to prvrfde tbat 486. •6. ^?;;»g.i-Uy!^djtife^:j''l'».:jlS. j^^ lii^^ii^ki^&, ■W^^. Wv^MM. m^^mA^^-^^ ri::- " on and alter th* ^rat daj of Jntg, In tte " and olBaty-fiidMt in addUtoo to tha axelan " doticB at pnMttt knrtad on niaaMilaetnra<| " tobaceo, elcan and elgnnMaa, tlwra altaU " ba teTiad and oollaoted tbe foUonrInc •>- " elaa dntlaa, tbnt la to aay ^— "(a). On all ionlga rtm Jmi tobacco, " anatMoiaMd, takan out of wanBiovaa for " maaofactiin, In any elgaf of tobaeeo " miaa«taotof7, ton eaota iM iknumI,, "(b.) On all kmlgn raw laat tobacco, " atemmed, taken oat of waretaouae tor manu^ " taotun, In any elcar or tobaeeo maniilaet- " ctv, toointaen eenta par iKrand. "Provided tbait tba welgfat apon which " aoch duty sball be oomprutod rioAn ba wltb " relennoa to th« atandard menttonad In " paragraph (c) ol aeetloo 247 of tbt In- " land Bwcnna Aet." Sir CHABLE8 HIBBBRT TUPPBR. I batr« been aakad by tbe bon. n^cmber for Tork (Mr. Foster) wbo la nallarfta« from ra^ tbar BCTere Indiapaaltlon, to mby iQm ad- }o>anun«ot of the debate. I aata alma^y mentdoocri tbe aobjeot to tbe bon. gasytle- man wbo la leadikig tbe G lattr of Flnanee. In hia bebaU, 'rW to mova Mm adjonmmanit of tba debatn. Tba MINIBTKB OF TBADE AND OOM- MEBOE (Sir Biotaard Garlrwrlgbt). TbIM Ifl no objection to thla motloik. Wa mit tfia oanae very moch, wa («p«ft tba lndla> poaitlon of tbe boo. number, but aa aan ad wltb my boo. Irlead, tbere wlU ba no Jection to adHonmliw tha dabatn. Motion acread bo, aad debaite adjonraad. Tha MIKISTEB OF TBAOB AND COM- MEBOE (Sir Bicbard Oatitwrlgbit)). I nop- poee If my boo. irlenda oppoalta tanTV va- calva d aa mnch Intotmaitlon aa tbccr oan tery wall dt^^eat, even thonch It magr batn been aomnwbait aiwaattnad by tbe eonetndins para«nvlb« of my boo. fMeod*a apeecb, and ondar tbooa clrenmatanMa I would beat aon* ahlt ttietr wiabea and tba vlawa of my Maata^ beblnd me by moving that tba Hooaa do now adjoaan. Motion agreed to, and tba Hooae ad|oaiiD* ed at 0.80 pjn. ., ;>yr.ja?S?|..;; . ■ ■ f f t Sir RiCiHAFiD MINISTER OP TRADB AND GOlilMBRCB OTTAWA, 12TH APRIl^ 1898. Tlt» MXNXEfTBB ,0r TBADB AfiTp COM- ilEBOC (SH Btcb«M O^rtwrlght). Mi-. iSpeakir, tf my bon. trfend'p arttiKJn^tlo ,t« in ptlMT ,iM|MQts M faaity ,«•, In tlb« compota- tloo iK malua- .of tlie ntunber of jwura w« haT# bfen lii.^w,,! ^i^ infriM^ 1m hy . cy*- tan of |utitt^^•tlfs^ tba:^ Ja, ^nbwft to m«, •qijHiA two, and a lialt -yi^ip,, tliOiigb 1 < ca" wall lieliaTt. tiwt tha,,tw«|ity mootlui hare ,«99m«d «a Hong qa Ifblrty.to* opy hon. trfwd. JNoWf^^t^^ M(7llix> iHWn ifPWkad bj- p^raoiui irlio ti«v.;«n tattrart 4« tM ktod of tbing; tlMit th«M «V0 Itnf iM^ dcfiwr to go^a and ripifia tban. to Me gow| map fit)nigglte witb ad- .TAMlty., , ,■ i I: am ftoiMid. to aaiy tbat I, U^aanotad Bootob dlTkWf 1^*1^ l!^\^ QontPMPVm, ^^'co for;a itaag^ty nM|m o^idm, Rtp^lar dltcpinfltflTi- eea. My hon. frimd,. I ,tUDlr, w^u ifi .fatnre baaf to.mhHl thlit tt la.TflM.^ot '^O'ltropbMy Iwloia bailMifKwii, H4d bf iipidr>^bt«dl^->(^d In- dalg«v two, yt^ini 4(gb„ In ▼isrl<>iifi fnopfiecM aa 'to fMM. .r«Mfl^ of tb^ QoT^vme^., policy, vblcb bave hHrdly b«en^lfll)fd ^jf thftaetnnl bif |ie of evciBtfl. Sir, I .^bbijk tbf. bion, g^tle- .nkon m^ibt ihi^ni, by thf« , tligiift^tb^t It Is folly to ,atri]|9gl9 ^Itb. mafilfeat fafibi. H« idoM uot (iei^y— -^ind ao far I do notiflnd fa-nlt ,)i|rtth bJim^-the fact of manl^eiit prosperity, ;tba «(Usi*>* vl wliieh mwt ns r«tenct wtutiDver, to oBoy tb« RtEoiifleanoe; of t^,e,poU- tf«^l gatit M'lilnh Oinada' bm'mnde wltti.tn tb« laMt y«ar liiKinr. tbe, gnfiinnee of n^y rlgbt hon. friend, a«Ml inji.)iii pant)j;nl|Eirly jn the reception wblub 4iui: trHde. propoHalp met witb ^t the bands, ; AQt merely ot the Bniyrllsh Obvem- meot.but of tlta ^f Ibth tnation^ intjlarge. Hlr, ,1 could not. b«tt wel how gneyouBly tlif; .1^'bles bad b^ turjjied ynipm my .bon. friend, wtbeo.llieairu.tha bon. the MloiR^er.nf France go pvair, Oiue by one, all tJuneiTarious indicia of pvoapoity, to wHilobi In] fbnper tlmee, he bad bwo Woint^.tP, qobt A^ ipcoi^trbyartibW eTldenclBa of tba goodneea of 4)taeir policy, flltow, Sir, I do not take It (or graAted 'tbat U» tncMluite M tfttTliigf aepoattS aM taarit- ^biy • Prbof or the gMflt proapartty of the ooKwiant afUigto, HMf tat tiw baak '^upmltm, nor jtt -Me dmiWtlcn,^ort«t *Hy ot<«ieea 'mvm'" ^M I lw^« iftMbafota, iMld iHiat t v^pMit lidw, 111 Hdle : tliey aia an giood, aJDd tar;^ |(odd, nfitatm tiiey go. I arnme d»- nM tliat, BO 'lair tm thMf w«iit, tlMr ware godd Ind^Mvttbitti »'i6fmi4->BmnB- w:Mk, Witb i^obm aad iipAe^ «ooi^to Mecnn. r'mbdat»'''twi6l W'thrlca'fta j^iMMr'^M^mla- ttOB, w«*ri tbi^, eOAM 83, ilt Ajid-.' Now, JLi*&L»-*V*i..S, ^^'^i^sl^i^^t^i^'^i^ki I :X W^^. ^J^0^i!^- fWS#«^^K**;; 34 raff ;t b' I It;; Mi l;» m I wouM Mk ttM toon. 0MiitlMiMU», irhr h« mh- oot qolatly aoetpt th* pnMnt altoatloii ? I am not gotof to dtopnte with Mm tb« Itet tiMt laek turn ttma on our slo* to a Torj ooo- ■IchMtblt MtMit JturtDf til* l«at yaar or two. 1 MmMttlwr tiM tlmt wbeo tlaiM wera not no pnwpMoos for tlw Liberal party; i remanibar tlie ttaiM wl)«n none wene more forward than . the lion, yaintieman wiio eita Immediately oi^ poalte to me (Blr Ciiarlee Tapper) 4n dmounc- Inc tlw Liberal party becaoae of a worM-wide depreaelon, wblcn alfeeted aU the other oooo- triaa with which we had any aequalntanoe or knowledge, Infinitely more than It did' Canada. Bat what I more partleularly wlah to call the attention of the House to la the new role of economist In which my hon. friend appears. He Is very grlevonsly alarmed at the extravagance which distinguishes the pre- sent . Administration, and, very early In his speech, I perceived that he made a very spec- ial charge against as, that we had added f 1,400,000 to his last year's expenditure, and that, in this Identical, year,, we were about to add f 1,800 ,00Q to bis last year's expenditure. Now, Sir, I like to see an hon- , «s(t, statement made, particularly by an hon. gentleman in l^ls position ; 1 like to |ee an honeat statement made of if hat, the actual comparison should be between his last year's expenditure, and. our expenditure for the present time, wid . I think, when t get through with the matter, theJEtonse will be eonvlnced of this one thing,^ that, wbi^tever. other m^ts the hon. gentleman may e^alm for himself, that of making an honeat state- ment of the actual state of affairs in the last three or tour y<)ars, is \>ne to. which be can lay very little claim. .1 believe It Is quite, true, that the hon. gentleman, in the year 1896, had gone out of offlee with an ex- penditure of $87,000,000, In round numbers. But It Is not true, that the hon. gentleman had dieeted any permanent saving or rieduo- tion on the expenditure of the preceding year, nrhich tor 1806 amounted to $88,200, • 000, in round numbers. Sir,, I hope my hon. friends will hear this fact in mind ; I hope my hon. friends will take care, whenever appeal is made to the last, year ot tbe hon. gentleman's expenditure, to call the atten- tion of their Audience to the fact that, If ever there was a case of colossal cooking. It was the cooking that was practiced by that hon. gentleman for (ibvlons party refuons In the year 1806. He made no permanent sav- ing, he made no genuine reduction of the public expenditure. What he did was to throw over h million or more of expendltnre properly belonging to that year, 1896, on to the shoulders of the year 1897. He did It for obvious party purpose j he did It, fore- seeing that. In ylew of the perilous position la urUeh the neat of tri^itors found: .themir ,f9|ves, the country was ex;tremely ^kely to ; expr^aa fm nntavuurable: opinion of men who did not respeet the obllgatlufia imposed upon public men of lK>ldteg up a high stand- ard of public faith. He took all tbe ear* be could, so td arrange bte aceounte that he might appear to make a reduction, no mat- ter at what coat or at what rlak of demoral* Islng the public service. The methods he adopted were mainly theee two : Re totally neglected to call out the mlUtl^ and give them any extreiae In the v«rfd«a eampe, thereby rendering almoet the whole ot the expenditure tor tbe yvar tor mlU^a purpoaes absolutely useless ; and In the case of pub- lic works. In like manner, he deliberately cut down the neceesary expenditure, with the (KOect, as my hon. friend can show him, ot Involving tor the succeeding year a great deal of additional and unnecessary expendi- ture, by reas of 988,859,000 foi' 18»t. Sir. I say the hon. ^^ntleman hai ho ri|^t what- ever to come before this House atid' con- tend that the expenditure aetuallt tacurr^ In 1898 was In toy 'shape or form a true proof ot the extent to which he bad re- duced the expenditure. His Mal year with which cemparlsdn should be inad« la either | the actual ascertained expendltnre of 1896, which amounted to 988.200,000; or bla own original Estlmatee, 1 will not charge him now with the Supplementary Brtimates tor thit year, tor the year 189(1-97,. which I have under my band. And if tbe hon. gentleman wants to make comparisons with the Ditimatea now submitted by my hon. friend the Finance llinlBter, I aiot pateparad to show him, and I shall be prepared to show thin Hoose After six o'clock, that tor| the Identical services for which that hon. gentleman demanded 988,869,000, my hon. I friend Is asking less than 988,000,000. All the rest and excc«s I pro](k>Be to show the I House, Is Incurred for siorvleee and for pur-l poses which will probably return Into the! treaeury quite as much as we take out ot lt,| but for which there was no shadow of equi-l valent in tbe Estlmatee brought dtown b;| that hon. gentlenian. As It will take a llttl«l time to go Into that comparison, and it ill hardly' worth whllp to repeAt It after reeeBg,! I shkll be obliged It you, Mr. Speaker, willl call It six o'plockt , ''^••:^ 3S tt MlBr Ms '0'aMn% tte Mt tb* %* jk^w^.iimnii. tk» ttmkm^ 0* 't^iVEAin> COM- KSri hi* H» «^Sw attwitton tc. th« ^ttBMt oMd* bi tiM %Mpk n«B»1i«v tortork (Mr. irortw), fnd on w|||e», M tt« Q>ttM>ff ^<^ ad!! '«dafitipa..lf '^ ^*d b«ah ona tflMob tba .b<^a* a^ttanit^ or bia trianda t)«al4« bUn bad..tba ■mftVMt (Pronad for «t<^f|ag waa a pfiqpaaeot r«dpet:<9a> I If ovld baTe g^ian bto. Wttn/tw *^i : «* ' woijld *aT», »1* thai tii«i smwt (}oT«|snieot WMW aallad 'apofi;^ tOvO^sr Ij&to a Tmrj mlaut* , (U(plaaf(jh>a (i||ib« .,«pi«f, wbl^ badeom.i plrtM tbMnJbo ImBiaaia tbat «ain. Qlat wbea ,alite.Bt»ta of Ibinp. Wa Umitfcpt.la 1,896, irl|ib,tba boiu imtMiiatKbad ao. pajrt;l9alar .rMUKWL tta in any , wajr ,tataim;.,a() i tfi- MMoa If talaMr lov 1M7 waa aoMnrMa aa, n«l Moib. tban tha int, latbpata tor aat your laid ^^Taltla.oi tba ttooaa if tti« boa^ OMMbap M Tofk- X pvopofa to ehow tba Bona* tbat, dadnetlag eartala asnendl- toaaa lor wblab than la no eooa^arpart, tba aKpandltovt «l tba pnaaat laur woold bara- :ly. aqial tba awn tba* ba Amaadad lor tba aan4eaa la M9ff; and I lortbav propoaa to abow tba Hovlae that lo^ tba aanrlaaa of 1809, tba Eatlmataa of wbleb wa are aow dlMaaalaf; tba Flnoaea Mlolatar propoon for tb9 Mfaame aanrieaa for Wbteb the boo. t^ahnbar for To^k aatlmated ria wonM raqnlre |S8;8S9,000, to aak 987,980,000. Tba re- iiaiader, aa I will abow to the Hooae, la for iirvlMi for Wbleb we Oiay expect tb reeelre a eorvMpoadlng ataidnbt t(^ pat lato tba pab- Ite tMbraiy, And whleb bad no toonterpart wbotatrak' la X69T. Tba way to jadge Of the epitaparatlta tfeoaomy ot the two Oovera- meota la to Jndga of th* ebairgea for tba ael(- luuae aerlaa ot aaiVleea. XI the Goteroiaeat bate done wfdag lb aiklog lor the addltloaal oxidant, let %iMa ba ladged oa tbeaa addl- ttobitl' teaoattt# abd Mt tba Hdoie take lato aMonnt' tiia iftusi I hlaTi aHadM to^ aaaaaly, tlhat with Napaet to tliaaa addltlobal "aoma tbi^ bare good 'iroiAida lor ballaring the eouatry wllh tadalta a Ntor*. |>it^ni taJBe, intba ttat loitaaea, and after that X ||rbpoaa't« to tbiroatfi' tiia Itemia la Mima little dMail' t wni ttutb in tb» flivt ih- ataaM the demanda laado by my boa. Arlead (Mr; Fleldlag) for 1899, aad the damanda made by tba bon. MMabvr tat Tork {Mti Foa- ter) ia 1897. Tba Hooae will remember tbat my boni IrlMd (lir.^.F|aldlag) la aow. aaklag tor 180,188,000, la roondaambani, for the aarH^ea dl 1899. Id. Ituit •89^195^000 are laelttdad tbeae tiuae Itama: Flrat, lor the rental ol the Intacooloalal road lato Moat- realf #910,000, for -wbleb nt eonreapoadlag aami wbatavar la to be fonad. amoogat, the dhargea for 1897 ;. laost, a aom ot $896,000 tor tba aerrleea of the Tnkon dlatrlct, for wbleb V X need oot aay, aot oae. tertiiliic la to be fonad of neorraapoadlag ebaraeter In the aspeirilltare lor 1897 oa propoaed by the boa. member tor York; .laatly^ tor tba ron- ntng expenaea ot tba Intercolonial Railway aa extended into IContveal, a farther anln of 8660,000 for whleb. there la no eonreapond- Ing entry, making a anm total ot 81,166,000 for which we expect to recelre a retnra. Sir CttARLliS TUP PER. HbW tonch tlld the hon, ^ntleman (Sir Richard Gdrtwrlgbt) say waa tor the extenalon of the Intercol- onial Into Montreal ? The knnSl^^ OF TRADE AND COM- MBRCB. Five hundred and alxty tlionaand dollara extra la allowed tor the^exptouea ot that; Inclndlng what la taio^n aa t|ie Dmm- moad Cioonty Bronek. Now II boa. geatl»- men oivoaltf wUl dp n^e tba tavoor to d»- dnet 11,166,000 troip tjB9,125,000 they will niif'-''^'T'li ^'liffivi'rtiiJTiiiir'ii'i-ii^^f W^^W&Mmi^^Bm^m^-^A T^m^m'!::^:?f^i;^i^.: ^-;^ ^. 3« m4 tkat ttttir tOHlg Mt tMM MtM tlMM tMHtlMT ■IIT,M9,000, bMii^ tlM noia anlMd br «iy loa. friMd {M*. VMilafl) lor tk* iwlfiMn* IdMtlMl *MTk«i tof wbMi th« hon. mffilwr fir York (Mr. fwlir) aikad , fM,8Sfl,000 hi 18M^07.' ThMtfort, my hon. ttnm (Mr. FI«MfB|r) ^rofiOMt t* d»- frar th« MprniaiNi'or 111* eobntry, id' Mr as rtffsrtfi tk«M ««rrleM, for 1400.000 Mm than the had. mtmb*^ for Tork tkovglit -wM no< eMMrj two yMta kfO. ' ' It la worth wMla.rwiamowwf Alao.that tba eoaatry haa oot atood atlu '^AurUm tha laat two yaan, that tba popolatlfm hka In- craaaad vary eoMldfrably, noia tapldljr, than It did durtnii taa paflod tha lua^, mam- bar tor York waa adml»latarinc;tba QoTam* mant. I ballf ra, from all tha arMaaoa whleh haa eoma to our h*M>d9; from tha aTtdanoa aa to tha inaraaaad Immigration: tijom tha erl- daoee aa to %h* dlmlnl«ha4 axodna, which I ragard aa araa of mora lmiw>rt«iMf ; I bai> llava that th« actual fact of tha oaaa la, that tor tha aeffaama aarvlffW, with 900,000 pao- pla mora Iq 1800 thantn 18i06-07, my hon; friaod (Mr. Flaldlag), la ««kfiif,tor, HOQ.OOO a yaarlaw.; I ag^Up ^aH tha attantlqit of tha Houaa, to tha fact that thai» |a good raft* aoB tor ballaTing that,tha,wholat fr M any rata by far tb« graatar part o( that tliioe^ 000 ot KKtm aspandltorvr wUl ^ ?wa|d Into tha traaaury of. thl« aooatKy In tha ah#pe ot ineraaaad rotalpta, from. tha. iliitartoU>alaI Ballway, and In tha ahapa of laeiaafcd n^- oalpta whleh wa. ara aran, now i ra«atTlng from tha Tnhon. territory, t i •: y. tha hon. mambar for Torii (Mr. Fohtar) for 3AM4)r, j^d bara I may obaerva that doubtlaaa owlhg to tf alarteal afevor th^b hon. gantlaman iUr. Foatar)' omitted » fixed ehaurga of fSO,000 for a tertatn by atatnta; The actual amount ha riamanrled ' theiafora ' waa- f88,8B»,000, and nbt.«88,- 808,000 aala Inaceunitely put' down. If the Houae will take theironbla to turn to thti' BattanatlM far 1880, tod WlUiBompare them. Btep by atep, aa far aa may be int of.«f,qQ4imy tfi the ad- mlnlatr^itiua .which lie v^aa pre{»^red to give ui| hafrhapa cimtraai hH ,waii as any other fiurralhtira ^eouottiy. Vlff de- man'd for thaaiirtie* of the pMitMtiarlee •417,000 for the>Mr ehdlng July, itilHt. The hon. £ahtlabiap. In iHOd^Ot, demanded •481,- 000 lor tha ai^na Mrrlee^ Wi dimand for tha kertieaa 0f iha laglalaturas f 706,000, and 1 obaerve thkt thb hon. 'gmtlaman aemt to have demliaded •Tli4,'000. T6T arts, a|^cul< tore Itiid Htatiittftii — hnd to tMii lt*tri 1 call tha aptolid i^tibtlbn of the Booa«f-r-w'a de- rtani^ «iiAi'neta Ihrgar'autti than my hhn. friend I did. Wii dhtnkiid •))«9,000, but with reapect to tkht Itaf r h*¥a t6 wf thM. It tt^#hon. g4nt|^man from )(drk {lir. Foatarj.'.iAf anyl other of '^bam; iirtll ishooaa tb 'M«et>t' the! Sge, #hfeh I haY» tbrowb down, and:^' wIllI cvbba toxoid tUatth* ahnla wa are Howl 'iKpPtKifirtktiiif fbr'edM atoraga liafd tor thtl deyalopmeat' of agiftrbltUMii pntkbltk lb ▼ari-f otts SMttm ant in Went and w)nt>bia to[ ' rmviBiipiiteii 1 ahkll ^^i. qnif too l^api^ to nn-l dertkkCk diiouaatbn bf thiit matter withl them «t' kijy imomabt. In thiit ttti'Mif '^hlcbl afteeta tbi 60. 'l ob^e, and I an) Tim eM^Antng 1^1^ tor tt^ that tM hon.[ ^jMitlenikn tn t807 thought ttiat •t,4f8,OO0| wa# th4 laiurt'ihat he (»HtJM iet alAnt t^lthj #htcH shows a' (ibfiatdembl« d}fffei^«e ial fa vobr ' of the iirMieMt Q*i>ir4frtiment', t dbterveL "tHnt on public works We detiiatirf ft,fi*iO;OO0| and the late doV^i'mbetit damaind^d •l,n76,T OUO, 1iiBlnj;r iui>1hci<0lBiae on^^At this Ta^t. that for the Idebtf cat class liervlcea tdr which #b aisk'a little feM' thad •88,000,000, ^he hon. gentlaib'an thoiiiiht 14 neeSAsary; tbirM ytittrs ai^>; on I JpittpunitioJ bf bMu^y binHlnaHer ot ayillfbh leal, to de WkM:-h^-iM -vM/^Ofli^' .' "aVx.^Vm- '^•''^^^ ^^Ai^^^^-Vps^j^ tWy?^:'51 $7 iMitUiiiif uk* •M.aa»,ooo, ppd»r :hOM •lreaB»«tMMW, it hardly IfMooiM tba . . fjHitltflUW to ayMli, too btgliljr of tM ■o^on|lM iNM «AKtid by amr nmrin^ r*diiiet49a tiM •spaadltnre, I would fflv* him endK thWi hut wheo w« eooM to axafilM and that thay wen < tiacted, by meh ntMna fatvtlng to drill ur nUltla during ai^ aa- |b« /oar, and by auc^ otW axp(»dlent« aa laolng tha axpapdltnre of public worka to aum f400,Qno below what tha hon. gantla- lan.hlmaalf asftandad durlog th« precedlag |Ta or aU yvara, and gtnaralty in au^h a iiahion ai eoinpaUed. tha, praaent Mlniatar of sbllc Wot Km, tiie n.pmant l>a cama into ica, Hi ordar to avert graat public injury, ^o axptnaiva and eoatly public worka, to In- iir large additloaal axpanae, I do nubmlt fiat there is no Jnat capaa whatever for the ^lalm of tha hon. gentleman, that because. iider each eircnniataneea, he^ did force the , lucttou to «87,0(k>,000 in 1896, he is beretore entitled to «lalm that ha and hia loTamment bad really rvduead tha axpendi-r IN, to tVt poimt. Thay are to be Judged by Mabtoal ecqMndKuvt in a.ynur whait Miaiy kad BO temptation to curtail the axpendi- ture Improparkr i'they are ta be Judged by ue astimatM tbay themseWea brought down Tor Vw serrice of ISiMWOJ. I turn now from ^hat to anothtr Important portion of the kon.'.gBBtlamfin'a apiifwh, a^d here I confeaa waa raitlMr disappointed ai tbs mode in rhieh ha handled th9 aubjeet. Be took a great daal of exeeptionto tha radncr Uon ^mfda by my hon. friend beside ma In tha xjn^ of iQftaraat pi^able' on OoTenupmit iTtBgB bank dspoalta. That la a qncatlon >n which thfra U a rary aonaldariabla daal to ■aid oh both sid^i, and I hoped that a lan of his experien^ and occupying his po- litlon, and wjio himsallhad occasion to ra- luea .'l^e interest on sarlngs bank deposits, rould^ have put tha.Qous^ in full pdaaaaaion >f ths actual. state of the ease, and have iTen something like a. (air resume of the tma position and of the causes, which oper- lated in inducing my hon. friend to make this [aoma:what large sreductloQ in t^a rate of in- Iterest, !%• ^<>n. gentleman spent a great Ideal of tinite in denouncing the OoTemment I because, as he said, we T^^ere reducing the [rate at the expense of the email aaxers. He I must have had in his possesaion or have had [access to certain facts reHJpecting the saTf!<;7!< [bahkq, whl(A I myeelf caused to ^j I brought down in a return to this Honae, some three or four years ago, and I may say here that the facta to-day are substantially as they were then, or, if anything, rather bear put our pretension more to-day than [they did then. To listen to the hon. gentle- mah one would suppose that the whole 150,- [000,000 now invested in the Government savings banks w«re held by small aaveirs, i poor people to whom it Is' a matter of very t great, moment Indeed tkiat,thpy should re- M a HuMI f^tloBBl Mtam; and tha hon. itlaman waxM warai aiid aUN|«aBt 1b d»> eal pletiBi^ tha lajmr to tba «MS« of tbrlft whr«h would ba IBfleted if Uri distvrbed tka rats of Ihtsrest. ; It ttay ba InteMttlag to the Bow* to kntfir that at prsswt, m thOM 900,000,000 oa deposit IB the OoTaramaBt savings banks. aoBiMhlng liks twothlrda ta the whole ate held by rather less thaa 'oaa- sixth of thi depositors. I^ may be fntarsst- ing to ths Bdi^ to know that in 18M aomethii\g like #96,800,000 of tha then da- poaiia, arhlch amounted to aooot forty mill- ion dollars weta held by :i6,oOO depdattors, being as nearly as niay ba an avsraga of one thotts^ddollnrs per head. Now, I do "ot think tb«t qifB who Bra abM, on an aterags, to deposit a thousand dollara per head, can be regar<|a&t on good security hu fallen extremely In Caur , ada within tbe last ten or twelve years. It is only a few months ago that it wfu my duty to make luqniriee, va behalf of ^certaui partlai for whom t an tmstet, of cent«in trusts societies In Toronto to know whait rates of interest they wopld guarantee, and all I could obtain was a statMneot that n tbe money was left in tbelf h«ndi for a, term of yfaars, they would guarantee 4 per cent* I need not tell this House that mnnlcipQl cor- porations and almost all corporations . of 90od sAaoding* a|« able to boriiQiw money In the markets of the world, at consldernbly less than 4 per , ceht.-r-fn>m 8 to 8H per cent.. I desire to point but thaft, while we wish, as far as w« can, to encourage thrift, as the bon. gentleman said, to 'protect the Interests of the smai'ier depositors, we art called upon to consider the Interests of all classes, to consider the interests of the farm* er, to consider the Interests of those i«rho are carrying on industrial enterprises in our midst. More than that, 1 say my.hon. friend beside me would have been false to his trust to the people of Canada as a whole if he had consented t« Jjay a small portion of them, except for ext^mely good., eause, more than the average rats o^ in- terest at wblcb money was borrowed by the 6ov»mmeiit In the open huixfc«t< 'I*' >ut It', nnder All these clreumsitanMH, wIhk ther any man eonl0 say that niioney on e*lU whUh' could be taken out of thcf control of the Ooverhhient on vei^ short- notloK,' ' is worth mo^ than it teo«ts the Oovirameht, that is, something like 2% p«r' eent. And % think those who kno^ tbe dUBculty of find- ing good InvestmentSj those wbd \ome hardshtpa^ and I do not dtoy that It may appear or be so — ^tbey must grant that the Obvemtnent had a duty to consider, and I think they wlU admit that thei^ |e a neat deal to be . sild for the potK^" adopted by my boh. friend, first: of saving t Teiy large sum df money to' the ^ciottntry at large, whichi as the boh. meihber tor I^Ork truly said, must btherWlse be ttiadd Up by Increased taxation, and, soe^ ond, tal^hjr a cfourM whieh ]j>robably, In thi» Ipng run and hot at h vcirjr dlsiaht diay, ma^ contribute laTgtol^ td redut^ the rate of Inters e*ts oh mortf^ages and In hll 'probability ' rahMBi the ^riee Of tarn^ land. I may add that I do hot think It was a good sl|^ of progress in 0M>^da to see what 1 And otherK hav^ witnessed-^iinhs by the ie<>re p^ up at auc- tion In country toinw where, to taly know- ledge, a tttllQon ijhdnrore of money wash- ing oh deposit, without obtalhln|^ a bid. X do ndt think we shall see that agalh t» often as In the past, at least I hot>e not. I bbp^ that, under theae ^Ircumsrancfs; all. fair- minded mien ^lU agtee that, eiveh If ihj^ bbii. ' frlehd.wai* forced t^ the exigencies ot bis por ' sition to reduce thts rate si^inewbat faiteil than h<* would haVe liked to havei donei he had grbund In the Ifeneral Interest for pur- suing the grotfttd he took. Now, t niight add to that this ebnsideratloh; t^hleh I think la worthy of A little, attention on the part of' the House. ' I' do not,4eny, 1 hats never dtaied, that' It would be a m'Atter ' of viery grf»art moment, of very we^vt Interest, and Worthy pf aome sacrifice, U the ]|>eople pf Oaii;iid& could be Induced to invest in Qoveriw ' meiit Mchritles permanently, If' these fifty milltbna had been Invested In a Canada 8 per eent. loan, I do hot know that that would have been lightly dlstnib«4 by my bob. friend. If It had been invested in such ai way that the money wouM not have been called llpon at short notice, but Invested fo» a term of yMurs, shorter or longer, thens wonld be a good dbal to be said In favour of tbe argument of my hon. friend from York. Bwt tA«re is a wide distinction between bovk rowing money, as we are doing on call, wb^eh may be demanded ti'om us at short notice, and borrowing money for term* of years, which is the beet way that a Oovem- ihent can possibly borrow It. That ill a matter which might be very ,^>-M-'ft?-,sjV> '-!^^»' '.15; : ' '1™^ ' ■ ,T,"'-'' 39 ^falr};, 1>roa|^t ' up l^r d«bftt«. I otter oq lopialo^ ni>on It, diie way or another. But I [do eall attantlod to tbe fact tbat It M> t>y no, [mMUMii o( eqioal Importance or Interest to a Icomi^anlty that it ehonld be a borrower to # llatve ainooot (rem the people at call, jm tbfiii I It MtQOld have a lai|;e amount of tbe people's tmoQey invefted in the permanent securitiea I of the nation. >ow, I obsarre tbat aaotber tcbarge b^ooght by tbe hon. fentleman was, Itbat we bad absolutely and actually gained, il think he said 91,200,000 mpre customs, ian4 that we had done it under a reduced lecaliB of taxation. I believe, Sir, tb^t stat^ Iment to true. I aolaiowled«:e the impeadv- iment, I aim proud of the crime, if crime it be, [ that we are yetting mpre moi^iy, and we are [getting it, on a reduced scale of taxation. [Tbat & Just exactly what we wanted to do. [But; I differ with my hon. friend on one [point that he alluded to. He was pleased to Ideclaira that there was very little difference Ibetll'ben the percentage oh dutiable goods [nowadays apa the pereem^tage on dutiable igoqds in former times^ and be was good ienom^, I reinemibef , to call attention tq the I fact that* during tbe year 1896.97, when, as [be truly aald,;bls own t<^iS ayatMn was in tell swlng->«Bd on that I wUl bave a word or two. to say presently-^therd bad not been any very appreciable reduction. I baVe here I astiitei)t of our priueipal dutiable importo entered tqt eonaumjptloa during the first seven monthe of this year, a^id I ca^. atten- tion to tbe results. In, the yev 1897, which I the hon. gentleman Jqstly plaims as his own, I we appear to have imported •86,800,000 I woFtb«n f 11,988,000 duty. Weil, £lr, on this fll,- 889,000 the percentage would appear to be 28.60. There Is, therefore, quite an appre- ciable reduction in the rate of duty which now prevails under our present tariff — not nearly as much as I could desire to see, but I may remind the House tbat a good many goods which were absolutely prohibited un- der the late tariff, are now being imported nndw rates prescribed by us, that go to swell our revenue, whereas, in former times, th^ were excluded altogether. Thnt la one thing, I may remark Incidental, which ren- ders these calculations of percentages rather apt to be misleading, when you are compar- ing a, tariff framed In the main for revenue with a tariff In the main protective. If you. exclude the goods altogether, there is no dtonbt you get a diminished apparent percent- age, but at an enormous cost to the conaum. er. I would remind the House that the hon. gentlonen claim the full merit of the year 1886^.97 as being the year in which their policy culminated and bore Its full fruits. N6w, I #ould like to call the attention of the House partictila^ly to a numbw of the results of the potl^ of 'those hon. gentle^ men from the yelai^tl867 down to tbe pMMlt time. Sir, hon. gehtliemen will Tecolleet thiit our friends on the opjposite side, In feniker times, had a mojippo^ of all the loyiilty itf this countlT. Mr. TAYtOB. We have not got it all nbwi ' The MINISTBB ''OF TBADE ASH GOlt-r MBBGE. Mo, I think ncH:. Well, Sir, these ultra-loyalists In l^i37 Imported solnethliiig like 45 million dollare worth of good* from Great Britain ; in 1888 they fell tq 89 mlii- lions : In 1889 they rose to 42 mlUIoaB ; &■' 1890 tbey impotted^ 48 mllllonf ; In 1801, 42 millions ; In 1892, 4l mllliona ; lb 189®, 48 millions ; in 1894, 89 mllUbns ; ta 1895, 81 millions ; in 1896, tbey impbrte^ 82 mil- lions, and iit tbe yewr In which, according to the bob. meml)er for Toiic, theUr policy hiad attained Its full and p^ect matiirlty, they imported 29 million doiUtn worth of fooAi from Great Britain. Kbw, In tbOM tien yeace, yon will otasirre, their impot Britain by 16 mlUicm dollars, they Increased their Imports from the Dnited States by 15 millions In the same period ot time. Ifow, it may be true, that the steps wblcb have been taken to increase; our trade with Great Britain may not have as swift an effect as we . .desire ; still, there are , reasons for It^ During the pe^rlod of eighteen years In which these hon. gentlemep have worked their wicked will, they have 'reduced our Imports from Great Britain to the figures that I have read to tbe House, and we cannot be expect- ed to reverse all that in an afternoon ; but .1 have very little doubt that, when the next decade occurs, and when my hon. frleode on this side — ^where I have no doubt they will still be — ^bave the pleasure of dilating on those figures to an attentive House, tbey will be able to show tbat t^e current of trade has been reversed, and tbat tbey wfU then be importing a very much larger quaxtlty ot . goods trom Great Britain than ever b^oxe. Now, I know tbat percentages ire odloos, I ''/f (• /r^- ^*= ^mA^m-^i-- faf^«J^MfK** 'mm'^^:^^^^^m' ^m'^m p.: 40 i^ ill- 'k\ m'' li:. m p.' iv, mi • Mr knoftr ;tl)«7 iMM Twy otba nnfaJ^, iu>4 ▼« liATi!)»d 0X]Muisti)M of tbjlt tim« aod ^fjOllt. But I < wj|ll Jort eall tlie attention of tboM «co9oaiiit« .to two or thre^ patent facts pretty ireU known in historj. The Liberal- Ooneerrative teonomlata l^eeame the cuato- dianf of the affair* of tni^ eonntry In 1367. In 187&, for reaeone wijbiicb I^wlll not now stop tQ partlQularlse, they #ere ol^Uged to devote the^r talanta to jiome other ooenpa- tion. In the Initerral, however, they;, had add^ 10, mlllton dollar^ a year tQi.the an- nua^ expenditure of^ Oanadav In 1878, li|r. Mttohenite anaumed the reine of power, and In 1879 Mr. Mackenxie laid them, down. He entered office with an expehditnre of $Sf8,- 81^,000^ and lie left it with an expendjiture of lfa$ fil9,600 or a difference of $20Q»000. ThoflfBjhon.. gentlemen dnrinc eis;hteen jwpt .exen^sed their own #111 and. pleasure. They began t with an expenditure of 911)8,600,000, and, lett Off. «H 1 Itave Bhown, with am esti- nifited e:ype>idlt|i;re, of 988,600,0^0, an actual expenditure in 1895 of ,988,188 jQOO. I can- not .accept .their statement for 1890, for the obyipus, rens^n I' have given. But, Sir, it folloyris, thfit the /Increased expenditure in- ttaos^' e;tgliiteen years aniounted> .giving them the , niQSt . liberal construction .possible, ^o ciosp, on 9jl4i00<),b0p. Now, 914,000,3(00 wonid represent Interest .on the .sqm of 956<^,0Od^OOO, nnd this mity be taken as the ■um their administration during elighteen years hiaa cost the coonliry, es^matlng it by a reasonable and fair s.^ndard^ I, will not Insist,: however, too nvffh on !that, point, ber oanse thi^re are some little reductions ' tiiat might be made, but nevertheless substanti- ally it is correct. The hon. gentleman entered ' dn^anoKfitier subject as to which I desire tp iiay a word or two, ihough I do not wish to weary the Hohse by^ enlarging too much 'on ihatters already pretty well threshed out and which no dbnbt thy hon. friends beSide me will take up itf more detail. The hon. ihembor for YUrk enlarged extremely on the fact, that hcting In eonfotrttity with the cohelu- sin^ arrived kt by the British Government, we Irere obliged to abandon our . original and more Ittieral treatment of nations that extdnded liberal terms to us. I may be a heretic and very unorthodox:, but I have to say, that I do not ir^rard the opinion of the British law offlceM'as conclusive. They have the power, l! admit, and they are able to en- force their views, and to decide what the favoured-nation clause shall mean ; but I hold that the opinion of the British law officers is vastly different 4rom an opinion givSB by a Britisit oovpt of high d«|gree. T%«ji are the advisers of the Government, and tbey advise the Government substantially on the liin of tdw GoivernmetDit's poUey. It niay b« Very true that It is not on the whole in* consistent With thd policy ot Her Majesty's Govemaent t« stand by the ntreV3ntod o «»• extending a preference to British dbminlon'i: . I say that that, rightly underiitood, was not' only in itself a great and positive gain, but, it Was recognising in such a manner as had not hitherto been recognized, the weight and importance which Canada has now at- tained in the councils of the Empire. Sir, the hon. member tor Tork, and I re- gret he is not able to be here to4ilght, was good enough to twit us with having turned our cheek to tlM United States and 9»tting nothing tor it. I have not in the slightest degree changed my opinion as to the enor- mous value and importance to both coun- tries of extended trade relations with the United States, and I shall require very moeh betttar ' noanns (than I have hitherto haand to induce me to abandon my position In that regard. But It takes two to make a bar- gain, and when the United States did not see At to trade with us, It became om^bosl- ■ nessto do tiie best we could for ourselves vA .--'i^-^^^'k^-'i''ym^^^^-{^P' M ■a^ :-^---y« ■t.r-jT:-^-;'- 41 and cKtend btir 'tttaOm wtlli tfat miotlHr try itnifl In other dtrsetloM. Tbat w« have, done, xtMit of the miring that could be mdde, bare not been verified, I have tsoi aay, ao far at thoae hob. jiteatlaien, are concerned, it peuttltiMy asnbnnts to thiB> Khat they haiTe sneeeoded 1? doing a great deal more m|Behlef and doing it more per- manently timn we had eupposed possible; It is notso ea»y to undo the eril effects of their adulnlstratlou as some of my more sanguine friwds woni*;* siippoee. I call stttentlon to the fact, that tn all the attacks I made on hon. gentlemen olppoelte when I waa on the Oppoettton benches, I ^as cawful, knowing thete w*ere serious dlffleufties In the way, while I pointed ont thttt We had an annual eicpenditure which I thought excessive and disproportionate to our reeoureee, niy chief burden of complaint was that th"! then Oot- emtnent bad Increased the pemiAncmt charges out of proportion to the revenue and it woiild be exceedingly djifricult to re- charges. X am in the Judgment of the House, as my hon. friend oppostte would say, as to whether that was not on all occasions the bnrd«n of my Kttaeks. It tt my opliilon stilh T4ie amoiint of dnr eapital «nd flxed eharges la enormously out ol^ proportion Xf> our j^«om0. If bon. geiitli|mfn iflll go care- fully over the prpent list ot txMDdltqras they wiU see,;thfit, after de^vAif^ i^m eharges, whlcli cie wbolly «nd entirely apa^ fr*>t t|iere are not more than f7,oop,p00;or VS.OOQ.OOO in tbe form of expcndlturjes under direct control of the Oovernmeat, eoid, no IncoDsideirable portion ot this JSi devoted to expenditure for Indians, , whieli le in the nature ot trMcty obUg^^tions, Altt ougfa vaqt grafted by, a,tatotef Wnlle not destilng to pi^Iltate ',pjfj (ittitart^fe^pe, U .,exr travf^fah^ is ^ommittetl, 6r wHhdrawlng from the statement i hfira mfrda that tJbe 'amouiat,of, eniieiQ'i^ture is vary large in a couqtnr like outji, Jl point t^^it out, npt lit all d«Klring,,tp.paUlate, a^y. extravagance, U extrfivagutoe lias been .cominttte^; not ,aB*frt all wt^jMrawJog tr<^m the ataib^i^wt I iWiTff often tfw^t tibait tibe am^Muit of e^po^tnne is vegry liaavy for a country Ul|e oar8tl>at; aa poln^g oat tb«t tbv' gNAt >{aalt wbi«ti tlie people of Oani|d? v ei^ltled to oompiaki ,of le, if^jtit perauwaQit. ciMeigea ^o snch en «iD0ir^ mo^ extent ae t h&vie Indleated were Ipfllet- ed apbii tbcm. These dmrgeji wiqie not In- flicted by the Liberate; they were , iofltc^ agaloit our advice and ae^dnst oiir proteet, and it is not fair to say, «t this miopaiHit, tha/t if on coming into qflice tre foiQnd It more difljcuit .to reduce these tiMm we, haid.suiv- poo^d, tiiyeref^e, we om to be bcld xespon^ stble— ronleee hon. gentlemen can show tbai., the Items whidt we i^re now <|Maai|dtttg are excessive in amount. It does not lie In thf mouth of hon. gentlemen opposite to make that charge, for as I have shown, we are actually asking less for the present serv i ces of tlM'eoantry with a considerably Increased - popalation, than they themselves propoaed to oak two years ago. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Foeter) was gofid enough to lay things he claimed that there bad been ait,in-?< creaao of f 17,000,000 in our exports, tiie credit ot which was due to the policy of the Lfberal-Connwvatlve party. Well, b* tl so tor -arguuMnt's sake. I find tbat In the flrst six months of this current year — ^to which he. (Mr. Foster) will hardly venture to mak»! claim — In the flrst six montta which ended on tbe 81st ot Decembert 1807, I And that we exported «f home prodnets a mm total ot ninety .flMlUons odd, being an lnere«ie.«| i iihiiJ^^Si^k^^llii!li}MMM^^^S^ Wi^^. ^-'k^^^t^k^ -^ f^^«i?^*'hH:^; S-^jr-^ ^.VrV/*,v ...r-fT^i^.*,, ,^;f»AfS* ^^' "TrT^TTOvflsP^WplsiS; 4* fflSf-,"' m. $90,000,000 OT«rtlM«zporl» 0ll8(W.- Ajh tboaKb I, do hotpMipia to>Miy tkftt tlnit ft wboV$ Mtf ortireljr «U ft tiie tnUng c« «wii- ^ fldaoet, aantf th» grahtkl fMili% at rvM Bind stability iHiicb bM tosiwd on tb« etptabilon of boB^ kntleoMui oj^pol^te from power and tb« inptallatldn of tbis 'v««i«bt Mlnditr]^; tt to at leaat i^pod aYldMioe tbat dutlbg oM t«rm of oflled tbe IneiwiH^ Ifl the wcialtb of tb« peopte of Oauada, wbleb tbto evidetaeM, baa gone on far faster tban li did before* .jThe House will do irell to feeoUeet tbat tliere are new eonroee of wealtb opening befoHt ua; the House will do wbll to rkolledi tbat tbere ' la erery reason to belleT* tbat our popblar- tlon to decidedly on tiijt Inerease, and tbat in a Tiery e6neldera:b1e ntualiler of Indnstrlte Wbfeb In former tlmcii ^e did not ^etdton np^ on adueb— in all tbose eoiuteeted Wltb mines and aiderato; In tbe , wondeMut develdpnient wbtob appears Ukeiy to aWiClt tht pulp end papeir fndnitty and In e^ral otbers wbolly apart from our ittpie a^iBnltnral Indns- trlee, tbere to saei:> pk>ittitoe of Inereaaed pro»> perlty and pennanenea, tbat ire bave (tilt reaaon to beiietl) tbat tbto Wtraordlnary da- ▼elopment to not likely to, be merely;«pbe' merai bnt win remain fdr a pntober of yeata. It to ptalii tbat Ua&ada '« (BoiCArlnv on a m*r era ofproapertty, and outsMe of bOtt* isea- tlemen <^poalie very' few Indeed will be toand to iqiueition tlteit the political position of Cimid^ iNili Iffiwtwtaa lixprbTed #k6inito#. ly. Hlir, we bare ebown tbat wblle ^ lAb- eMl pat^y : Wttie jKxt «a ^d til tfail^ to^Ht- ty air ny that time; It will hot much e<»ceni either n^yself or my ' bon; friend (Sir Oharies Tapper; opposite. The tmtb 18 that we have found ourselyes In the poattlon of being helta to a deeply mortgajged estate. ' There are two ways in whld^ we eav get out of that awkward poattlon. We eaii leAoee «ba mits *k ttrtatcair, and w« mn dotag-K la apfte «tf tbe temonstraitoe of boa. gentleMen opposite,, or we eWBidft tbe other thing; waean Improve and develop the prodvetivenaw of ear estate. We eiSi, •^-^hd I<«tainfc we will be abto ta In a ah^rt . period of tttt'^— we oan increase <^^ poffn- latlon of Canada to sucb^n extent tftfkt t^ same. raMlte will 'beattalned as If, we bad i: been abto to ent down the;: expimdttnpe: 1^, eyen as tiany mtlUona as we bad bl»ped- ni our fondest czpaataMena* We o^aor not fjfs able to redno* tiie ejcpepaea of the aervlee,. but we «aa get a better eervlee. ifi Mil tbeae ways we ean Inotease and iDAIWOve the efltotoney of tbe OoTwrnment of Oaniada*,, Thtowe- desire to do; this we hop* to dx>. I think, Blr^ tbat in tbat way, In all proK babllltytbe real safety and the reat advein- tage wbleb Canada to likely tQ dmrlve fromv.. the prsaaat period of prosperity to UkeljiL.to remata with us. I eannoit fortiear iiaylng one tMng^-and X, think I am ]uatlflsdiln: eaylQg Itx-tl Tarll^ beltoTe that If, eighteen yeara ago the pKipto of Oanada bad been eonteaf ter go on under tlw r e a so nai ijle re- TSBue tarW they tban enjoyed, the manalae^, tnrera of Canada aa a wbola f^r wboaa bene* fit tbsae eoonnotts additional taxea ware lu- posedi would bave been lallntt^ iMtter «B . than tl^ as* to-day. Iftelr prograu and more parmauMnt, and it wonU act blif« been , attended with tft* dtoadraatages and laconr, ▼entoneea wbidi bav* flowed vom ^»'<^m^^'.' tem then adoptid. I do not w«nt to dWell upon theee themee too long, but I do sMfirr and; J «blnk I would obtain a pretty unlTiv^. sal verdict from these gmtlenien when IsAy It — ^tbat on tbe whote and all tblnge eomld- ereda very grave error waa committed wlien Oanada turned ber ba^ on tbe weUotoiowa. flaeal policy of Oreat Britain and toKifc «ip with a system of protection, wbtob wat.^l' ter.all but the caatroff rags of Amerleaailiip. It may be that w* have been to blaniit In sonw respects;, it may be tbat we have not < been abile to live ui^ in all reppects to tbeek> peetatloins onr Idends fonned, but I cepeajt tbait If It can be siK»wn tbat In tbe Estimates, we submit tbete to any undue extraraganBe» any undue ezpendtture that eanaot be jeea^ aonably defended, we will not be afraid or r ' ashamed to retrace our etepe If good eaase be ebown. Bat I do pretest that it Is ^ot right or fair or reasonable for. gentleasei»«p^. poelte, wha laid bordene upon us wbleb, we^ are now endeavouring i)o liquidate, to eomn. philn of our course. With respect to tbe charge tbat we have increased tbe capital ae*> count, I may say that with one ^o^lon all the lacreaaed ehargee no capital account liave accrued Snun obllfcatlons eontraeted- by - ' the late Oovemment. All we have done baa batin as business men to tauny forward sueb enterpriees as the completion of the .canalt» in order tlMt tliecr ml|^ beeoma wlbbin the lifetime of tbe p r ea ent generatioB of aooM lit* . tie uae to tbe people of Oanada. Tbe chief ^i&.-l^lf.*4ss. 'V H'jf ^.i',.. t^ihtlSi9f,iA^„ ultei 6j. a- Jikd., ■^i*!tiM^lCtL. V*i>\k .. : ■■^i-~^^'^^^^r« 43 tt«M Of txt^uidittm wtkldi tli* hon. gwilikN Ban MMiplaiBi of, I am qolt* wlUtng to wttaA'bt, una ablte tba JvriipMnt of tb* fjMh pit of Caiwda. Bvt t ttsy HmlmA tlM HiiWM of ooi tttet, whMk thij Twy w«U Maow, tbat dortat IM* taHtOB^ whM w« wtre propos- ing ^xA* poUejr of giving « hung* saMdy to ttia OumAmd ^«elfl« BiMlirjv fot tte emi* stmstlotiTff Um irow 's Mt \rp» |w^F*^ . - turn was |o ii»itt;ln tbif BOb#rw anxlooa m ttkki boo. artailMr t<^ 1 1«M parhapi It was bti koa. IrtaMI bcafda him (Sir Obartaa Tapp«r)--~tbalf 'tUait; ' idm^ mat akoUd Im brtmi^t forward and pnrt«d tbrottgh with all speed. If I 'r«incin4)tr rlgbt1y» ttaa hon. gentliBaan appxirysd oftball maasnrs. nrgad It, did not dlrlds tbs Honss iipoa It, or rote agalMt tt to aagr wagr; and now, iaftar having nrged and approtsd of and agrsaa to It fs # naesinasi; qit«ji)iars,,ba tnmi ; ;?o«at4 ; 41ml ngirMdnt m, w^h brokfii\ prnywWW' '«nd;..Ttota.ts4. ■ plf<|gs|«'.hMs«i!» jf • dld';,tl>»i!r thing/ bsn*gsd.qs-lt9 Ai^ Atjr^ thafa';sMiM>b»'<:'i)»M. U<;tlR';.ntflW#alb|!» 'Wrni , i,Vv V- ^';-^'\si^■■t 't\^k"'^J:^: .Wjffi-^fiV jiS ','■'■'.;> ni ■ Ate'-" ■- • >^ /■! ■ •''■• ' - '■ ■ ■ .' ) ,' ■•'• .■ I ■ pl«7 to would m bsebauB «• X doMC «b)i0fe,tt to obiMtt t« mr ^SSSmlfiSmto itTsl ngpiwt ns. tm^ an old parttUMJatarlan, and X nm awart that ProrMsiDMM «aa tsmpiMr tka wind to ths shorn laavb; andX am |lksirls« awM* that jcet to maif anouit of orttleMn; but hon. gsa- f)«a«^ j»r «Mte ■tiUidlQg and ablUty, know- Ing tiw «^>i^t wbleb propsrljr hslongs to ttas*r words, i^oald bs k Uttls fair and rs*- (^^^/^lalb,Bn^'Wim^l|B»,roJU as tbs hon. msm- ber tor T6ri^ld, to argns on totally falsa iwaml— s, aaM to, sndoaTOttr to bind ns dosm by ooinparisotts whlefh do hot fairly appir to th» wMvmm* of mm'' #*- ^ '*^i"^/ ^ dey. I thaal tbs Honss tor ths sztrsiM iconiitssy i»«ih #tdeh thsgr hat* llstnisd t» me, aiid. M' I pi-ooiised not to t)e undnly loiiiv^dil'thts:o.' o; v^ff'l 1" ■ !>.:.■,< :.: '• .'ri.'i'i ' -,,;. )*; ■■^.Vt'v'v) j) ■:'■■■*'.■/ 'ir'i" "'?J|.;3'> "■■'> ' ,j..r!^-^ \w;',^::' '• ...,1:1 ■ ■ "<■■" • ■ ,.!' ■''■■■'' ' .-. '.'■■ ^ ... . -i ^- "- ' ' ' ■ ■.■:•, IV i' .'.T,. ; r ■ • , ■ < ... ■ ■' {;,«.tyi:'.vl ;■• • . ;■ -'i'- ' '.■ • ; .^;,»..} .vj ;,i 1 ' ^''^ifli jmli WS^h'iM:'' "'^ <'''^**S| ^^1 PHtint? ■'■ .■ • ' ':'_:ikS ■jjjj^jggjlii^ji^fjjglj^jijglffip ^i-'-'r 'i ' M-! . ', .v-i^l v'^vi.;.) ^M ^H mn4:Y^A : ■■• " ■ " ;«>.'jj.>#rt''?:7 K'u fifr.': '«'...' '-Sf fl^T *?!•■ ■-.;;' Mli'C^fv:;' -- ••,■■' ■^y;''i?'«MinB»r^ ■ •5!V!?;a,V. ■:': 1 : nt.' , ■' i'.wc^. fil i A ,..i ;•■-.■ ■ ■ {• '.V Vfr,.. '■ ■ . ■ . V,>.tt!W •?/•• ,■ ,,,, . . ,,f '- -■ , ■ ■■"'Va-1^- -.:••;!: ■■ i ■' ■ " • ' ■■••'■ ' ' f*!,''?!-!!' ■ rt ■ '•I.T . i ■■ ■ r ' - , h.- .,( ■. r i, l.'.it' < ■■•■ mmm^:i^^^m^.' m^ 44: ^ ri I :t •!; ■SciJgftJili i1 K!I?JSjl ■ •■■■■; o^ ■ -.f, < 1 . MINISTER OF CUSTOMS =?== OTXAWi^ i^1J»D APRIIi, im I . ; nnji i t i m . - I I II ■' , ■ . 1 III i I . ' I " ■— t WATS.AKii k^Azni-^TF' ^^^^'i l; Tm Boom uMimied fuSJoinned Mwte- oat- tlte praiMMwd motion ol If r. FteVtag, tbat Mr. Spepdc^.do now^ Ivave tlM.Obab', tortJw Hooae to go Into Oonunlttee to eonalder the W«9« and Mean lor mMng m Supply to be granted to Her Majeety. Tits MimSTEB OF CUSTOMS (Mr. PAt«fN 80A). In rtelng to reply to fmme ottbe statef meet* made by the hon. leadw of the Oppo- aitioii hwt ntght, I deatre, at the ovtaet of my remarka. to heartily eongratolate my hon. friend npoo being able to be tn hia place In the Hooae to-day after hia gve«t physical affort of laat nigM;. I am aore th«t I almply echo the aentlments of every member of thla ETonae, w^ben I aay that we rejoiea to aee the great Tlgonr which the hon. gentleman dia- plays, afDd to have thla oonylDeiiig etidence of the ezeellenft oonditloD of hia haalih. I had fMured, after the ezhanstiTe eff^nit he made laat iiilgbt, thait, *periiapa, when he reached hia home and pondered orer the rather harrt, aoid, I may be permitted to aay, Ineoneet atatemeotB. he made in hia lengthy crltielam, ma night's rest might hare been dlBtni! ment. I dwell no longer upon that. I proceed next to notice a statement that the hoo. gentlamen madto thait It waa by an accident of an accident that the Liberal party are in power. I do not know what he means by that exactly. But if it were by an accident that the Liberal party at^ -talned power, then I am bound to say that every manifestation we have witnessed throughoi^ the country, shows the verdict of the pec9l« to be that it was a very lucky accident, for they have but strengf^wned the Oovemment from that day to this. Tbc« we were told, and I thought It rather a mar- vellous statement, that if succese attMided the efforts of the Liberal Oovemment In Iegislati.'i.x^-; : .^.f;:>j^ r^^^k V'^^"*' J^ ^^.> ^ -<•• '4« 45 ■/f-T l« to.trae tUkt'iwtiMnte BOtr W «te «ot* ' ,Mdiiln!t''Mite. ;#IHi^ III OiipMltloa; M 6b- iMt^td'tite «MldM M the tMlk-'aoll#iiii«nt., but it w^u to' ietMia tlii^Mfb'jMleai''Mid tll«3r gity^Mfrnqm for t^lr ^ibffftla^ay But wben )K>«. gmit|eiB«i|, .opposite ^011419 ,ttaatii|E«c» to fqrqtiilate^ i trjlqc to w«alw #• rbifliiWAO 4tf tint Got<< maWMB^Ia.lbaeoiptnr bf baaa and etm»rd- 17 .i«d to< IHiaiar affaai«e.t>.J^1^iHiit tbe b«lptbaOpr poaltlon a^ iH^rfag tif tlu, preaaQt Govem- ' ment In oirder -ia caixr^ on tlte lufalrs* bf tha copii(tr7t./«Mlnbiat 1^ bOPi (Wt}«n«n polnta, to m iastame»-ol Ittimd aays i$ iinaa/« -caaa. ofblaofc UigraitltadatcmtlW Minlatw ofiUrada and iSprnvwift, «o bar* iVMnt^fmed 4t, muafr- }j, :tbHt( be b«d aapportad tba QoTannnent in. tiurtf .Om;«fa.;i7««t/PaM 9aUwa9, poUey iai»t y«ar. JKJtaiil, ta pm^tttnM of.,)n,timt iieapeet ?i 9» aalfnd tba q!(iptdo« j iwur, did J^„d6 it f W«Ut I ,f bfiil no!t ;«i;ti|iiwt tk> g|T« tbe anawer. but l9wM,^viat,hi9ipmaiatm,/^% tba a«ina,i ttmt tlmt bf . migbt^ bft>v«> /IwMd: blmaaU an*! otber .ffawttoBK )f(.i«lMr. yallan^ Afi^ from, , ^ jrfc btt la.traa; llnM: la am.' Sw««niAi< w«^%w!! 5?*Bi^& iiad adio. . (!r.t«d-^aAd i^rt^m tbii^aae wben tba two 'ttiap, bf^TSrtk,^ fro^ ^^tmat abd tba nm; htb}mt' thm'1^^ bMt npo» AFllg** bf opIrf^Wiln life ^m "^hat I IwiHeTa Vrth refeiw *iice' tp^tSe proiperfty'bi tlii» fcoikife Tbki Veiy fact itself; th^lt tbe LlbM^il OoTern-. , ai«M atta^ed p^Wieli^ jbdapiiM eopfldWce in tba liaoj^le' 6f tbU tionntry, gaW^tbto that '««nfldanea ^Icb 1* bi^eaisiiy to bnatncsa' ^?*L*'^J*?****'f,.***|i^^9'*^^J tha Very fact,, of t«ie Elberarfihr^ Wfa^ in powwr, and a ' fttable, b^>T»aobtbna '^oyarnttlattt. a GoTern- • toent Iriyml to th^'feonntry' aind lo^al tp one ' aitortbM^i' iMihig lA boirer---4fiat very fact, I «^y'*»™W«tW'tiie Widened :bf the veopbs 9f thft eotihtirjr, Who donbta It f How cpaM bi^»ln«aai enfoy a«)r atHnulua ¥biw, In .ithnrur ilasM«t«fa. of tbt «4ttlOf^ tbf ma» dlnettay lta,^lta)i« imw Jft 4NV^ 4^ * How cobid. t^r baTa aoBAdMiea tbat tba IiMn;,:o?^ 1i4 eMMad OB aatlif4|Ui«aA .w^.tbe raiaa of 0oiretnn(i^ >rlb$MMr ,oa >, eHiklii, eetibS tbe Mlii^tar pt Mlima 1I44 I>»f(!P»M, irbolblgbt > buya , jbaen, . ofil^ , , apou 4* «*V fi»9N'«i** *« ^anriiuai hla.t'ppjpa.Mii^aradtbeitt out, gone ,o:pt ,01). alftu,: .^arfttg tboi in^iiaut de- ^«r;|lnanl;,^.i!l;ltilqnt, , aiw; liaa^ t, H6#' .ijoold tbar bai^ Ponftdefiee wban tj^y^aaw tM If In- . 1^ .oX;»^!^^r«ya ia*^; ean^ ^b^ aar- Tl|sw,,|9lgK,, ba,Ta .;,b£^, ;)g;dSitkMI . i^ any monwft ;to,pEpTld4,itlrlnk' tba %ifiio«pi.'.ot. tifa eoiai^ wKtboiat .aikr, Suntrol .JNy, y^,. ,t»%,.,g^ff|^ii!wi^,..»ti<> . .tlii|iimi7|ii,. , a..: dtj'vwabe^^ ^^. w^ , in ppeif arar ,iHt^;:.eja«k . ,i9the» |5%wn^toS^5wi?^ a*b|b& paii t?y ofo^if,, J^aiyJlai wliip a dptfafttlnent •iai;b a# M>«t /^futdMl^e^Hl **> Gayflrbnient ,}fata, %Q. tba.^eipantry jutd Jpyat t<<. one an- Qtj^, ,{7J^ ,^t|ie7jiip|>l?'/;Mf1|r -'iltte-i^eirt ^yatmmt 80^«»ft ^ PW^. t)t^[^a i^Ung >f f;9ii?^:;re^ef^«»i5fit j«^ 1# ##^9*•'■2«i?^#f««'- ^W ,tr»^, re»y . mtlfa^bii #lndi 1^^ to tbf(.,>na|ti ,#',tps«ajy:'>', ,, ,fun|Off|g^(lte.)Ppra.; , ;.,V . Am t^i' 1!ii||n«> 'Sb,, I apf>^,J^;;Kr|Lteb be took up a good deal, of time, and I will aak ,fiay;mt;fa%bii.;rtifa^^ in t,Vf0eUng of'^ottftQenc^e;, ifai'sfaaniv xMMdtty. iaod a ittfOt of betfter I.UUB. ui> a Kuoa tieai, 01 lime, ana 1 will aaa the patlM^ of tba MbOB^, W'cJf tboeb mem- barai who nmrrbe inclined -to Uatfnito m», .wliile,J(ri4. The ii,pn.. Kf(»tliman, in dlBcnaalug tbia tarlK, made aevvpail. vary raab, atftementa.^ H« said we had adopted t|ie,i74tibttal Ppliiiy fai Iti tatlMty. •'^ , : %. UA^km^.- B«ar,'bi9ar.' " /'T': ' ' ' ' . The MINT8TI5B OF OtriSTOMS.' jB^t tbe l*arti«r of V tjba .,Goyff|nanent . did mqrt > than ..th^t; ibe .ontdM i,JiriiqaeU, for,, after. baving in«Ml9 that atfrtfnwret,. he, raid %^ In^all the aaaantla^^tiiiw of tbe Natlpiml^^ we ,;.. .. riJ«l» €»ABU» TGPPlsik ^« (affi^wtMb %^i^m'^i'::-u^T^^m^:mvm 46 Hill I I: «' ll'"" |U)-lT~.1;, m:- B' ^ Sit obllfsd ' to tlM boQ. ftMlMMk. tar< tk« pro* motUm hi him'p'fm m*. "■ ^^■■ 4«lt« ii|id«K9t«B4 tlM li cooi- nte" iinfll^Tittt' V^ OUBTOHS. WMl, If «yw the party dppoi^te attaWtb power I Spi,U aot beghidli^ th«t boniii^ir'to the boni ntleiqan, tboog^ I do not wiill^to see talm palof It at tlie preMnt ttme. n 1 mtide a mietW U^o iiiat/ t think he Will under', ^tand that, wlt^ all iDir"lieit''irliidb«i tor iiim, i h^i^ he will lony eQnftlirae td hold bit pvmtit bpaltlbn. W0U, ndw, tbaT hon, auatVHtaScL Shut with the epeeeh' of the Mi^leter of t-kiwiee. and he'%)ll haV* to pllrdo^ me It, though, t unliitenitloncliy 'paid htm a' cfmifUmtOki Jtwt now, I am tAUged to aUude to' hie lUfumer of deai;|tt^'wlth thfA fipeeeii' ii|i Wdrde which eHMttHtiotom- pltmflQtanr. ^at ho t ahd ? Tlie F^hanc» kinlffter, in the aj>le epeeetl be iHM deliyered, with' 4^ fMineM «at ch;iuteeterlfil htt lii^l* Qt1;er«ne«0t Iw^ lit««» a ilat of artielee/iixtr ' 'Iteap bt Vjiii iaxm, tn btder.to show the- ehancva that .bid oteorred tH^ti^; aMI; in ' dotfig ao, U did wiM^tVaa fafr. ,MiO|b^^oae' artlelee hi eelebted itud pat in< the. iM were ' : aHlielM thai cbmprlMd i^arli^ mU' lit the tiurlir Up p^mti^ to whteb It obnUJ be ' eaid tii«t itbe ieniNai takff of ^le '<}oVe««ttneat was blMxer I^Ma 'tee gepier^l t«rltf of '^ie pre- pmferewtlkl net %tth>^e-elsbth oft tod, With a «na)rter ofi, ll)H per eent in thi «^^ - apd :ra per oeni(. to the btbei;. Tu hon^ii leader 6t, the bppoii4t;loi» aid dc»t do hkaseH (Btedlt when, in "ar^tlbMNc tb«i litateBtt«|i(t, be took up ^bt o^tfaeee Artleles wiilcb had bee^i noised In tbe gmfpil taxik from 80 to' al per cent,, he 1^9^ tUe tednetlon df 12% ■ per eeut, effld aald ithart;. the Bjifltleb moUitoo- tnrare had t& pay % of boe per eent biore nndei' tbitf tariff tbas they had to' pay under the old taiilf: Ii that troet ^ - Str CHARLES TTIPPEft. teej ■ The IflNISTEB OF CUBTOM^. If tt wae true. It wae oot'tfate whole truth, and that kf ' what men are expected to eay In fair- de^ bate. • Sir GHABLES TtTPPpi. The hon. gen- tienuui will perhapei allow me to tell bAm that I wae not deattng with the eae^' of the taw as It would ebmeliitb dl^et' at t)te 81st JDiiy. I was dealing with the I«w wbich the bon. gentleman put bii the G^atttte-book last y«ar, aM the poil'ttbb In whMh the BMtlsh mantitactniwr and expoitbr, dnrtng that year, oebui^led vttder tt. I WbttM, tber». toM^ have gone btftsMe di tki argnment. Wh«ft In wMi dea^lw fdtegetbc^ with tiiat poAnt, if I had jmbpAled ,fm>re tl^aattiat )irh|d» qpemtfd under the, law iH>i it, stood on the .||^tiitai4NK>k last year, t v/ >, '-,/ The IfimSTBR OF CnSTOMSi, TblCt is Where' I #bolly differ with tn* bon; gsntle- man. He is dealing With the tarUt which this ' |*airliameat eaaeted hurt sessloa, aoid, tibder- tUe operation bf f^t tariff, a 9tf per ^nt redodtioA was fh^ ta the boo; ibenlMr to do tt. I tell the boa. venHletaiaii 'tiiat, when be ex- tpressedta^ desire' tbAt 100,000 «ople« Of tbe Itpeeeb oit^ the Flbaneie iffiiAleter might be otrcfulSfted bi(6adeast tbrougbb^t this «onn- tty, I ni-eebo his wiebi 'bijt ^hen >100,000 go out, it Will' be a forttanate thfag tor tbe bdn. #SDttemai'ii repbtattob, if 100,000* cop- ies bt hltf %WttJ^i«eeh 40 nbt'tollow, for if the pebpie ' rtoad "bis ' speetb i' itbd rekd the ep*erb of 1M Ftaanee Mtoiatidr, they Will »iay^ with shiune on tbelK fatiei^ti We did bbi betleve it pbesibie tbat the' tattler of (ine irf thentrreat Political parties wionld read uttertiurM and >deal with ertatementS'Ot an -)i;>ponrnt, and, lb diditag so, aniy i -ewe iha trtttb and famte It tb'sbit his'own endiei. ' Sir JTHABLBB ^VfJ^^' i sh^iilA iikm, If ttf bon. gentiefni|f> wmlA, permR ni«» to ask hip one. queatlon. uqd^ tluK tsfHff ■<* It staipklii tONdayr dealiagV witlli it frpm ., the standpoint that tbe bon. geiitbiimaii Is^ deal- tBff, wtih % t aaic Jkiip it ti^^t ^hid^ tiis peo- ple of. ^ngtand weisi>d ^ e^ipeet,, . B«|m«ly t^ait tbeine wouKI he areduietion oi tnii.aotiee ^>«li|ey eecialMKl In Oatuu^, ot tshi tb $16 per eeat,,wben l4e wbbis,ita«18 ^^me iiir^> oper- Ailion, was c;arried q^, and If I idid not do- faiMUrtriate to the Qouae yesterday, that, Id riMtpitet Vto fi large mqnber of staple Imports fronp Bngli^nd into this coiwtry torday, un- der the operation ofi. ibf) 1,2H P^ cen^t. reduc- tion, .there are , not duties, oyer .those which 'taon. MntleniMi opposite found when .they ei^ide Into power ? Instead, of a . reduotlon, the hon. gantt^ao kBmws, that,. h^'^i^K tairod tlie duties more than 12%. percent oyer the whole list of articles, referred to, as the duties stood when t^ey came into ppwer, the reeult was, tbf^t last year Brltii^ manu- faetnvera -sd exportws to this country were niiet with ahlffher dt|ty, iostsad of a reduc- tioti pf 13% jwr psflt, as tfcey were fm to expect; they ware, in a^«iwi •ftiiitti'i^ "A'oX.iiH ; v.r^:s^if-«,^r^>Kf^^ "Tr*, 47 ■^v ir with that • tt|*a.tb*t ^ii, stood OB v • [Sk TluCt la bon. gmtlt- tcrlff' wlildi Hsloa, Mid, 'iff,a 9&p«r I l^erMttal TbAt wiit M 2Vf ptt oaot to-day «ui It 1 at «11. But >H p«r ewt that ^art ot tt HMtaMton '; 'iraa a sap- chUi matter. ft. It WM to do tt. I wbwi hti ex- «oplai Ot tlie er might be {It thu «oii»> hrhen tOOiOOO tbibg for the 100,000' cop- <0«r, tor If the the nay, hiore, , th^y have In all esaentlal pacticuWs added per cent. What did the late I'torance Min- ister tell ua laat year, hi criticialng our polled T He saw the woolhm schedule of Importa, of wMch there am tnllllona a year In value, a»d that It had' been raised from 80 ito SB par oeut, «t eJlI «veota In regaird to aOms of Ita ItSino;' and he Teeoghlaed the fact that England waa a keen compstltor U HtcMi llnea, kmA w« ware eaaotdng a law, not tor a day, but a taw which we thought would stand for ysara, &nd We enacted in' that law that a 9«ar and a ttir aiontha at. tsrwarda 36 per (sant Should ooihe'oS, wMch 'Would bs a great radnstlon. Ths hon. gsotla- man ktew than that In tiwsa ttSBM wf had raised the gsaeral tariff B per aanU hat hla critlclam at that Mms was tba* this would not sava ths tfrsat woollsn industries ol ths country. Ha aald, "Walt tlU you 2B per eent prsfsrantiai tariff, or svsa your 12% psr csnt prelarentlal tariff, cornea teto effect, and yon will wipe out the groat woollen In- Anatriea of thia country i," They do wit any so thhi yaluM-why ? Baeanae the prsdlctlona tbay made have been falalfled by the rstuma from the woollen milla In the country. What do the phpars ttU tfaam ? Mill after mill reopened and running on full time, and other mlMa running overtime. Wat- have heard nothing about the deatruethtn of tAie wool- len: Mduatrlea on this occaalone Npw, thia Is a: point whidi I want to havu fully undei^ atood, becauaal believe thar* are paopls In tbo Lib«al patty wiio think we have not done antte aa much, tm who have not raa^ Itoad ' boiw much tfcia Qo vwwan aat Ims dona In the way of tariff reform; and I will themfore ask: your attaatlon and the atten- tion of hon. genttoUien oppoalte to sons tables which I havs .prepared In 'reference to< this point. I havfr had prepared a atate- ment ot the artless antsred for oonaomptloa in tiie six miioths ending Dtocembet 8lBt, Ih ti» >ifats 189« wd 1891;. In tha one six tnonths ths NiitioiAJ Policy wi^ tai force; Ih ins o'thar '8|x months ^bf iKcalnentlal tariff wmI 111 ' force to the earteht bt 12% par osat.' Hon. gttntleaah sbcMld huar In mlbd that the imports referred to tar this statamsnt are not TEB OF CUSTOMS. I was about to retSr to that myself. Aon; gen- tlemen win recognise that Where the arti- cles change in value, and yon ^hata a' aum- bc'.' of Items ot stifle duties, yop are not In a position td cufrlve at a eonrS^ conclu- sloa, and thai mods df caiettlatl<» would bs faUastous, baeanae of thiirtisaon ths hon. gantleman has statsd. Th»t«i6tii, X taks ^^m''^->.:^^'i*'mx^ -^/g* ^v 4S W .'■ ft, th>j«f^ artlcUa In whleb, we^ la tht v»m of eoal, tk* dotlM'.aiv mA Tftlonm^ Now, wb«t MwtMlAotar On' bltiUBlnoM eo«l, nontha, tk* r»* AtioCkMl \^ doty ba» bMn 4 par Mot. Cotton and maoulaeturaa of, waa an' ttam on wbleb ona hoa. gentleman aald wa taad loeraaaad the doty; bat tiMM tablea ahow t^t Inataad of mn iiicro««e «uta*r tbe worUog of tlia new tariff, tbere baa been a pereentam r»- daetlon, aa compared wltb tbe oM tariff, of 6 8-Otba par cant, - On glaaa, t^iere baa been a redoetloa of 6 T-lOtbal piir eent. On hata atad eapa, tbare baa been a reduc- tion of S 2-& per cent. On Iron and ateel and manufaetnrea of, of wbleb tbe Importi •or Mia ilz nvoatte ai* oaMrly 96^000,000, tbere la a percantage reduction of 14 per e«»t. On lelitbar, tbere la a allgbt laoraaae, bnt ao Bligbt that I have not worked It out. On woolleua and mainufactttrea! of, of Wblcb Qm» btfva beeb OT«r 94,000,000 of Im- port* dortng tba ats malitba anotbaa of tbe Itama In wbleb bon. gentlemen aald w« bad incraaaed tbe dntgr^— Inatead of an Inereaaa tbere la a dtoereaaa of 4 3-0 par cent. Tbaae are tba" great leading: artlclea on wbleb boo. gentleman aald we bed ralaad tba dntfea^ llr. V4LLA0#. Wot^d fV'-i^''=^ J^\ »...«»** ^-••-•.^♦■wrJ.v^.VV <-v "• '>','•• tilt affteal- tUal »o *•- awani ttet mH m *««P- Di gtonaniMi tbt Lfb«ra) 9 pMgM for rtCclM VlMS 49 OlfB. Bon. .'» WhateTer IflMMUt niMn- i IndlTlduals lennea to tbt tttt/f wonM hUt |dMM no ud to dtfltr- ajr IM diiAP- ipM may IWTe Lt 'amy ba-re I rtdnetlon or to triileh the Hall to find ir glTCDi aQCb It to flBttka as tka vumAm^ >B. gmtlwiaii I4bMral party Ibaral eoitvaa- B walfoeterad ma apoB tbe am tarlft. word! bt tb« Ifg. I tailiik, words of tbe be ezpveMed tealtoMiI tm- maiiy ot . M tiM duty deeland tbait lownra «n tbe No," but lake ont tbat ronlMd tbat free list. ,., tb<^;' but jA '■ ' Very well, br« mfybave ire »ay baTe levent indlTtd- , bat I wish bronnent ' bad ItUft.'^tiiiiaBtlon Vup.liafoire ub Ve fladt We 85 :Md.-aey-Ban1a eooiMBa, ha " elalmad thai the tact that tbeea people " spoke ot going to tba Stataa to 0fM tfea " Tankeea in their own market showad tbat •• Canadian manntaetarere were able to get " along wHbont proteetion." The MINISTER OF AORICULTUBS. Hear, hear. Mr. DAYIN (reading)^ "OanadftMia wwe idile to hold tfatAr own " wltb the Yankees hi any walk of Ufa." Tbe MINISTER OF AORIGULTUBE. Hear, hear. Mr. DAYIN (reading)— "Maasey-Harris got proteetion, why " shonld not tiie (armars T ". The MINI8TBB OF AQBIOULTUBB. Haar, bear. Mr. DAYIN. Tbat holds out a elear pro- mise. The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. I «ak— and I am in tbe Judgment ot this Honse— 11 It Is not a piece of Impertlnenee lor the bon. gentleman to rlae and make a atatemaut like that. He af dnpts to contradict ms and when I gave Um the opportnnlty of proof he utterly la^la. I will show tbe bon. Den- tleman, before I am through, what It waa the bon. Minister of Agricnltnre desired but I want now to lay down the dlstlnctloii tbat exiate between the two poBtieal partiea with jaferenee to this matrci?. The princi- ple of hon. gentlemen opposite la protection to the manatactorera, and It thhi bitatB -Bmr reT«aa, that Is merely an inctdeat. Ba^ the poUcy of tbe Liberail pMty Is, fhrat of lA, reirenne, and then what protaptlon may be tnvolTed hi <.nati is tba Incident. That Es the distlBetf test against these Intermptiona.^ ; Mr. DAYIN. I thonfl^t the hon. gentif- Vtiii^J:^jiki3/k:iid . IC im^. is«^^*?^^- f^«^«^^^^'* % P/!^ %' 5» W '-^ 1^ .'t, nan itm goloff to Mplatn wkat th« MlBlit«fr ol ▲grkaftni* said and wliat Im M tlw pao- pla ol tlM NortM?«at to «adtnrta^> Ttaa ininsifEB OF OUSTOIfS. Wa hatt haard tha hon. fantlamao ««ad «lf«ady wluit tha Mtttiatar of Agrieoltara aald. Mr. SPEAKER. I do not wMi tbat tUtn •honld ba any mlanndamlUuidlnf. Hon. membani muat undaMtand that tbagr cannot Intamipt an iKtn. gantlMBaa wlio liaa tte floor, withont bla eona«ot. '^t Mr. DATIN. I iMTa no dMln 1^ ttb It. Sir OHABLBS BIBBEBT TUPPXB. Ha !• wllUng. Tha MDVISTEB OF CUSTOMS. Yaa, Init not to ba Intarmpted all day. In ordar to ahow tbat I have rightly undaiftdod tha po- Uoy of tba two politleal pvtlta, and tha dla- tlncdon batween thtm, lat ma qnota from the az-Flaancr Mintatar'i apawh in 18»4, when b« introducad > bia tariff rcaolatloiia. As I hava ataited, yon can Hud tha platform , of tba Ltboral parttjr laid down In tha ooo^ ventlOQ of Its repreaentatlTaa aaaambled in thla city, ' "U you cannot find anythtug of tha Idnd to /raow what tha policy of tha Conaarvatlva party really la. They navar TODtored to oall thair rtpreaeotaftiyaa to- gethar in convantion, and I am loivad tkara- fora to talu aa an avowal of tiielr policy a declaration of It from tha mouth of tha ona beat flttad to giva It expreaslon, nrunaly, tha Finance Miniater, when ha introducad hie torltf in 1894. You will find it in the "Baneard" of 1894, vol. 1. paga 307 : "I wlah to ataita here tbat the Government " of to-day, and the party which anpporta " tha Oovamorant of to-day, talre thair atand " eqvarely and ftnnly upon tdia enubodimant " and upon the pw aar v a tlon of the principle " o( pnoteotlon In tha tariff, t!h« deggtae of " that protection to be aceording to the eir>- " cumatanoea of tha lodaatry and tha eondi- " tiooa of basinaea and of trade at the pva- " aa»t tlma." lo the nam* speech ha laya down this pro- pnMitino . "The tarfli which waa made In 18T8 ^' He ri>»flTii, undoubtedly to 1879. "The taritf which waa made In 1878 was " a practical tariff, and tdw tariff which is " to be arranged during thla aeaafon must " alao haw tihaut l«aitiui«, if poaalhle, of ba. " log a praottcal tariff, and nuiat take cog- " niianoe of the varying c Id to poww kl paHur* •"** ABuf^^tarani tact* to«lM otuiaia !e MlntatMr: IfOMi takan Wbat ara >aM anavwr: t In t)fa yaar Slat DM0in- la of tST^OTl Ml tfat VovUk- g of ttte laat ( eorwapond- i«zt jaara In • a tarllt i»- it. to* 20 p«r Increaa*. In X montb* ttw 1 into Maol- >n« was T60, lie tix montba :he number ol toba and tbe repvewntlng >7 would aay tleman aakad tell blm, It be to S. The boo. ooxloni to I eonld n. gentleman tibat It ttae i«qu««t Qo and bad pat ly wert, be tS. Tbat le of to me and low wbat 1 ftto powar in Iflgnrai yrfnt Do not Bibonld bate , gentMman |I mast leave pt the ban. ■aj wbttbar tierj ba was for It. Ur la tbat U horn. gMt w t uw ad to kwwer la 1896 aaaafaatoma had «oa« thMi aad bad riiowa, tbat irtnea tte tloB ol tba tariff tba aomber and TafaM ol tboaa maeblnea Imported wae Insnaaad foar ttea OTW In Manitoba and tba Nottb^wait, ^ and bad deaMUided, la Tiew of tba party da> [eUkfatioa that the tariff mfvet ba amiagad wMh a Tlaw to protKtl9n of tba laduatry iNgardlMi of rarenoe, tbat they ibonM r»> [vltaMa tlM doty to 80 or 80 p^r eent, If thegr eoaalrtcnt with their pruiuplea, they |weold have been foread to eonfltde that fpclnt. The manotaetareni eoold have ipcrtatMl ooft Id addition tbat they ware idMMngrt 80 or 30 par Mot ita all tha mai> lehlnBry in tiielr faetorlea and that aren tba I workman ware eonpelled to pay 80 or 80 [per Milt on Ae tools. All thta balug ehown fit the Oonaa r v a tiTea deaired to be oonalfvtonit [tbiv would be obliged to grant the reqneet. Iwhll* it la trne with regard to reapers and [mowani that the rate of duty wan not low- [ered, I contend that by the plan that was ladoptad by the OoTemment In tble matter |of glTlng the agrlenltural Implement nuuni* faetoiare rdlef by reducing the duty on their mw material^ eubetautial adTsntag'' ilted to the eonaunier. The reduction < the dutlea on the raw material enabled tha :)eaadla«i manufaetarera Toluntarlly to r»- Inctt the prioe of implemante, I believe by apiece. And the Goatome Department ive a roU'Dg admitting ait f 93 i>acb a large line of implemente that, up to tbat time, tad been charged duty on the ralae of flOO. lut ,1 wieh to iMlnt out to hon. gentlemen »ppoaite theae two or three Iteme of which have spoken, only a few among the items by the farmer, as inataneing a fulfll- it of the pledge that waa given by the (litleter of Agriculture. I have here a. list sixteen ag>rlouttnral ImplemAmta, and I propoee to show the rate ol duty under the )ld tariff and the rate of duty under the leral nehedule of the Fielding tariff. I >not going to quote the preterentlal tariff, eanae I will be candid with the Houee ind Bay that, so tar none ol the agricultural Implements I am about to name have come rom the old country. Some may come rheu the 30 . per cent reduction i)» to' lorce. fo one can foretell how tbat will change ^he eorrent of trade. But I tell you frankly now that hone have fcome in so far, and, therefore I do not in- l^tltnte a comparison with the old National Policy pate at off. But they would think It was a redoetlon, }ost the eama, and Just so surely doaa this per- centage of tha raduetloo In the daty on the Implsnemta tfaay aes bear tbat relation to the itnxe^ thait were Imposed apoo ttwB under tba Naitlonal Folley. Now, let oe look ait eome of thesa artk^lea : y Pereant- ' Qeneral age of Tariff Tariff, reduction, 1804. 1807. 1807. p»e. P.O. p.e. Axes 80 30 28% Hay or straw knives. 80 90 98H Hand rakea 80 30 ' 28H 'am rollere 80 30 lOH uoad or Held vollane.. 80 90 16H WlndmlUe 80 30 16H Horse powera. 80 30 16H Portable engines 80 90 16H Threefaers 80 30 l8H Feed cutters .... 80 30 98H Separators ..80 30 16H Potato diggers .... .... 80 30 98% Grain croshera 80 30 98% Fanning mills 80 ' 30 98H Hay tedders 80 90 98% Manure apreadan .... 90 90 90 Now, then, to summarise, I have given yo« sixteen artlt^lee of agricultural lmp>Maents used by farmers, seven of which ha\e been reduced at the irate of 16% per cent', ome haa be«o reduced 30 per cent, amdi ei|^ ha've been reduced at the rate of 28% per cent from the old tariff. I invite attention again to a statement I am going to make, that, to that table, I have a compartaon ol the re- ductlona to the old rate under the National Policy, and the general tariff rate under the Fielding tarin--4iot the preferential rate, for it any came to under the preferential rate, there would be 30 per cent further.,reduction off the amiounta tbat I have already given. Now, I am about to read a table wMcb, I fear, will prove tiresome to you, Mr. Speak- er, and perhaps to the members ■ of the House. B»t I desire to get upon "Han- aard'* something which I conelder valuable to the people, at the risk of making myaelt wearisome and tedlpus. I desire, also, to do tt for the beiiefft of the ex-lflntster of Pl^ nance, who, when be goes upon the plat- form, may not desire to glv«-tlniti«lMa- scrutiny to the facts of the ease thattrwlgbt be desirable, and I an about to 9Htce> ^.•^•^^^i^:^^: 5»^^.v. ^^>^:^ ^'^'^ '""■"0' >, <' f,-^ 1*. s« li^i' ,1 ?( i|)i on w tor b tttwH the tnonttonl' rMmtioiM tm» hii.v» ttMaiiad* to tiw mtt of tutvdoai «]>oo tlM fararailiMotf tblffreoimtey. So^ wlnn^ iMifOH «vaJii ttpott tlM> pMionn, IM ean Ml ttit pt^plo : I Mt4 bctor* tiMit yo» Hav* no Mtfal Qtadtr the preferential rate. I want to draw your attention to another point, eonoerning which . my vtawa differ a Uttla, perbmtet from thoae of aome boa. gmtlemen, though^ In a general aenee, I am in agree* meat with them in tfali matter. I lay It down ea a paiQiwaltioD thait It woold be dlffl- cnlt to controvert aaeoeestnlly, that, when yon tntrodnce an artlele Into a conntiy, ita Introdvetlon under a kiwer rata of duty wonld, under normal clrcnmetaneea, extra efraamataneea not earning Intar the haw an effeot, mat only upon theiutlcle thrit waa fatnodneed. bat upon a vaet aaantMy^ot that aaoia aiilele that la produced uid bought in the eoontrjr. Ton, theielota; gala an Idea of the amount of tbe fadnctlMi;^ Now, I do not propoae td weary the Ho«a4 wlthjthit flgnree. 1 w^t to gjlve tibedl in detail anfllelently to brkvg ma wltbla , the rulea of tba Honae and warrant me la plaeABg tUe talble In the eotaanoa of r(|i* "Hanaard.*^ I will omit the general tar^- iff of 189i7, which, aa I aaM, redneee the duty on nkoat of tbeae artlStaa eomhog faom all countriM. Yon will obaarre upon what articlee the ptreentage of reduetien doee not amount to 25 per cent. I, thereioM,^ wtU give the rate of duty under the Natloaai Policy tariff, and then the rate of doty undw our tariff at the pmteenttal i4te of as pi|^ eeat dieoount. Which goea Intio effect on the let of July, and I give it on artfelea, not, aa I aaM, all of which coma from land, but aoma or all of whieh wdll from England. And who will aay that If^ there artlclea from England eanle in nadw the 13^ per oeatt reduetton, whait tbe Inereaaa will be when a reAnetlon of as per cent to made ? Erexy one of tbeae arti- clee to an abaolute neoeaeity, and- to uaed by tmmr a^touKurtot In the eovntry to bto house or on bto farm. Among theae erthdee, I ask attention to a long list of agricultaral implemente, over and above that I ,hava. i^ ready read; and I aak attention to the redua tlona aa anrwarlng the quaatlon wheMker the (iovemmant baa carried out ita ptodgee to re- duce the duty on agricultural Imptementa and radnoa the burdens on the fanmera f The list of arHclBR, with the new rate under the preferential dntlea, and the percentage of re- duction nn^r the new rates as compared with tba old, to aa follows :-^ IB;-' I' Articles. *\-.: ■ Soap, laundry. Soap,N. E.S.. Rice Seed,N.O.P... Strawboard... Tarred paper. . Wall paper.... 1894-9&. Specific. % 189T. Gheneral <§ OQ 5 • ^i ^p' 11 II fl p3 s cu 0k Reciprocal Ta- riff. \ p.o. oft. I 09 Fainto.. Paris green..... Building brick Orbdkery: If iadow glaasi . ..:.^ i-i 1 0. per. lb....... 1^ per lb ...... 30c. per 100 lbs. 86 p.«., also l\c. roll and '2ft p.c, ee«a »a««-B*ia« P.O. I a e • aa 85 10 2S oiJS 26 10 ao 90 SO p. 0. lo. p. lb. lie. p. lb. • • • 4' • k • ■ p. 0. 35 10 26 26 36 26 10 20 30 20 p. 0. « e aa«« p. 0. P.O. |o. p. lb. HO' P'lb. eeeeaa ««• «'• « « « 1 3 P.O. P.O. 26 25 25 26 81 26 86 26 56 U h^r" IM^ .<~ ! t -iftj^tS !i ■■ .'.fji^t ' J*li»._i-. i{..U^''Mi^1 \ « Si Articlfla. 1894*96. Specific. Olua taA>l«mire. Whitis. Boots and shoes... Springs and axles. Cat nails Nails, N.E.S. Wire nails.... Onti>cks.... Wood screws.. ..«••• Buokihom fencing.. . . Wire fencing, N. E. S. Iron or steel nuts, washer^, strap lunges and bolts Looka.lmtt8 and hinges, a t js* 0* »••••* Catleiy Files and rasps. Adses... Cleavers Hatchets Saws... Wedges EDunmers Ctowban Picks Mattocks Tools, not agricultural. Scythes Sickles Reaping hooks.. . Edging knives.. . Hoes Pronged forks... Snaths Post-hole diegera Agrioulturartools,n.e.e Shovels and spades,. . . Lamps and lanterns. . , Clothes wringers Agate, granitffand en amelled iron or steel hollow- ware Tinware Pumps, iron or wood Puis, tubs, brooms, washboards,pounder8 and rolling pins... Clooki and watches. Futni^re Cotton wadding...... Oottonjrarns........ OttttOnflkfarioi, white |20 p. ton bat not less than 86 p. c., also Ic. p. lb. and 20 p. c. {o. per lb. ...... leper lb / Uc per 1,000 \ \l}c.perlb. .'. t So., 6c. and 8o. p. lb., but not less than 86p.c.. ic. per lb { lcp.lb.&20pc1 lc.p.lb.4fe26pcj ••«•*••«•••• ••••«••••••• 50opdoz.and26po 25c each and20p.o •^ 1897. Ckneral I 00 ^ P.O. 80 36 25 or38 • • a • •• SO • • • • « • 34 or46} orl6 27} or4i} 32 32; 86 36 36 36 32} 30 36 30 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 or86 30 or36} 36 26 80 20 26 30 22} 26 25 }c. p. lb. |c. p. lb. P.O. *cj).lbrA 26 p.o. 36. 36 16 16 or43| SO P.O. 30 36 26 36 * • • 30 ••*••• 30 30 30 30 30 30 80 80 80 80 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 26 86 30 85 35 26 26 20 26 30 20 26 8 38} 40 23 46} 2} 14 14 14a 1^ 14f 14J 14 1 2S* 284 261 284 284 284 284 284 ^1 'I Jf f^ P.O. r« • • • 161 fc. p. lb. A«'P'lh. M . All ■■■ " .! I f lll ( | " «.,.«l — ■ Reciprocal Tar riff. } p.c. off! . % I "00 P.O. 11 ^ P.O. 28} 22} • • « • 26} 32} 26} isl 181 « * • • » • • • 16 18f 22. 1* 18 p;e 26; 26' 26 81 66 26 66 23 42 26 60 80 80 SB 36 36 86 30 26 Sfi 26 86 36 86 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 27 26 26 26 is 37} 26 25 25 161 25 181 26 •H "^ii^. "^^^^M^ i^^^"^.^'"^- .^.^^r^^'^.«^:^«r\-V^>:v. .^i^^-^^;.:^ 'f^YWf^W^ J'^^f*'^ -' V * ^ '*c!'S^'^?*^f^''^'?«'^^f*7 • sSR ^^^ ■->v 54 )-,. U'l '111 I Artiolfl*. ) 1894-95. Speoific. 1897. General 5 ^i •si M II 1 s 04 (S! Beciprookl Ta- riff. I p.o. off. i. OQ Cotton fkbrics, un- . Ueaohed Oottbn f!abrioa,coloQred Damaak of linen Table clothe........ Towels.. Cotton r manufactured. Combs Brushes Twine and cotton cord- age, i.. Cordage, N.E.S 24o.doz.and26piC 4c.pairand25pc. f lpdoz.and2 p-c. 86 p. c • •••••••••••*••«•••«•••• i0opdozprA3ii))c 5c.perlband^p.o. 5c.p.sq.7d.&26p.c 3c.p.eq.7d.A25po. 80 p.c. but not lees thanicpersqyd 3&.p.o. but not less thandc.persqyd l|c.p.lb.&10p.c. p.o. 25 80 25 25 30 32} 30 80 32i 46 36 12} 26 30 2d 20 40 86 26 30 32} 25 86 86 80 48 85 35 30 85 25 10 H5 26 26 291 p. c. 25 »6 30 30 30 30 30 30 86 35 36 35 36 36 30 35 16 26 30 26 20 35 36 30 35 35 25 35 85 36 80 35 36 36 60 86 30 10 85 26 26 26 p.o. • •'•••• 7A 24 8 m 8 3 27 16 p.o. 11 1«| 20 20 20 161 7A 16| 20 26 20 7A 161 i p.o. idt 26 22 22 22 26 26; 26} ie» 26 26 26 p'<:> I lO 10 10 18 20 48 27 2^. 25 12} 10 26 26 H 8S 86 SS 10 12} 20 25 27 37 12} 26 46 26 26 26 26 10 26 26 25 26 ■^t-^f'^/ff'-ijl'' M rnpf / 55 Articles' ^ ^^ ^ f ' !• ' "" Jlpolc* cH^ikgrio^ltare Bam M0il... ... •*•••• »]•••»• ••.••.♦•»*••, Mustueootf) 8pswii> .... ..<••• ....;., ..... . g|i^ bemf fAm Oieat Britain. .. ... .... r €(a)v»nize4 iron or pteel wire, Nod. 9, 12 , and 18 gaug!^ »«,••.• t • *.» •••••« •••*«f«« 18M<96. SpMUfiC. ^ dTalorero • • #• • • «» tic. p«r Il> • ••<••• ^•••■•« Jo. per Ipi ♦:,.♦.•'•• ., . . ..•[.••••« Ifidperbueh...... ...... a .>..... ...■•• ■ . ' III I I II I' l l .!,, I - j , p.c. 12| '♦■••• • • .• • •• 26 1897. Perceotaga '.of;- ■ DaoraaM. ^JEf9. ... . , doj..... do do',..... do ,....'', do ,••••• do ...... p.e. lOO iOO 100 100 100 100 lOS I leave it to. l^on. cefatl^Daan opitoette to aayi wlivthar f« IwTa not advianced in .tbe dinction of iarlfl mlonh veapaetlng agri- eultural Kiiplemefita. Mr. DATIN. 1* tiiat 27 per oBot redaction on sbovela and spade* Witlt tlie pteferaft- tlal allowance pS ? ThA ifllnSTEB OF OtrSTOSfS. Tea. Mr DAttN. diardly any of theaa article* CO < om England. V I^dsiipt OF CUSTOM^. I In- itr ■■.-»«• my offiqa. 2S per oent se- dnctlon. Thfve is, at ,aM event*, tbat ve- Uet fl^ven., . I liave plAMd , In ^ l>*ti be- eaoae ttaeMa airtiel«B ara tt a a df f . by agrlcaltwv lata aa wMll all otbfeES, oottonii wooUena and otiHT IteittB, Joait jp tfaa Ftnaunw ICIniatar did, not aeleottng ooma artic^i tbat. uppport my eaae, bat datdtng wltb the gaaeml atapla agv ticjlea tl|f^t come in from Graat Britain in iMge iiaaotiiUea ai^id wliicb tiia fanneta bave to bay. Stow, I |eel aa grnat nagtet aa bon. gentlemaa do at my haviiMg to read ;tbia s^temeot,, wbicb I Jmow la not intweeMng, and wbi5 ail)) lit Tb» MmiBTEB OP 0U8TOM8. I know l» will Iw lUmflalt to t thto wae an open- ing g reater then he hna enjoyed before, but lo many Unee Ae had to make hie airaaga- mente, and eo during tfaa flret few mootha you could not expect Urn trade to flow ae freely through thie new channel ae It will later. Any buataeee nuui can underetand that. Bu« if yon doobto that trade of itiha first elz monitba, whaA would thatt mean? It would mean thait beeldee:the reduction in the bqrdeB of tazatlon on tiie people, owing to our reduced tariff, owing to ow general lowartng of dutiee.mi the gneat bulk of the iteme, there ie the fuxtber rednctione under thto preferential clauaa. I eay double that and you will have 11,042,000 of rellet. That to the relief in one year, uadar a reduction of 12% per cent, i yetafture to efky that there la not a m«n who%'iIl not admit tiiat with thto current of trade now eaitabltotaed, and with the impetoe wbidi 26 per cent will give tt ae agntont 12% per cent, a redootiioo o^f two million dollars of tazatioo will re- preaent tbe reduction on the Imports under tbait reciprocal tariff after a J^ear tnom next July. An hon. MEMBER. Bedn.!t!on r TIN MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. Tai, ne- dtiet^ion. I eay that under the 26 per cent redaetion, In the face of tbe flgnree I have giTaa, to (the face of *T»ti the* haim Mtii^ ally tmnepteed, it le amall haiard to pvediet that wben thia prefenntial tariff :to la Ml toroe lor • yaar, with tfte 28 par eaait redne^ tion, tiiere will be a reduction, not on tlia old latea of doty of the late Oovefamfnt, bvt on tbe reduced gaoierai tariff rates of the iiHfW «oTornm«nt that will equal three mUUoo dol- 4iire; aad I aek any hon. gentlemien ib tMe Houee who Tanturee to eay that tbere ic iH> reformation in tiito tariff, tha« the pledge eff the Liberal party to reduce the bui^na of the people has not been caxHe^L out, how^, wUen thto takoe place 9» we tbwt it wiU, be can hope to maintain bto poiMlon. What doeai it amowkt to ? Let me illaetra4«. Wftat to tbe^equlTataot of tlmt reduction In Urn tax- atlon of the peopto, eo that we uKay gnap tte amocmt of reduction that faaa been madet It will be eqnlttalenit to (taking tHn mlllMn dollan wcrtb o* Imported good*, on wMcb 80 per eaot duty faae baen torled, and tMin»' terring that ten million dollan to ttae ttee llat. Iluut to what It Mr. CLANCY. Doee fhe bon. genttomin mean 1^ tbait etattem/ent tbet there wfll be « loiis to the revenue of tbnee mll^on dol- 'faia. The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. There will be a lose to tbe revenue on liiat ie- (Bount, but that loee will ba made up by the atimulue gllnan to trade, and the wealth w« hope' to put btto the people'* pockets, which will enabto them to buy awne goode, and tid a largar acato than th^ axe doing to-day-- buy millione of doUani more of goods and pay for them. Tbey will bave the money to do It. And by giving that etdtnulue to trade, every mattuttfetory lb the country w^I be running full time abd over-tlnie, toc^. That to "tpbat we hope to aie. T have been a littto ttmaome, t am awai^i, Ob that enbjeet, and I now went to touch upon another point. My hem. frIenA oppo* eite, the leader Of the Oppoeition luid the ex-Finance Mintoter, said last session, when the tariff was introduced, iSint it wobld hanhe to be changed. They eald that tt filled ^hem toe witb 'humiltntion. Canada had been hnmlUated. They told us what an awkward position we were putting ounalveB in. Sir CHARLES TUPPER. Hear, hear. Tbe MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. They toHT us how ignorsint we were with reterenoe to that matter. -■'!.„],.>/». / ■ ;__ Sir CHARLES TUPPEB. Hear,' hear. Tbe MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. And tbe «ame ihoumful tpirlt to upon thein yet. 1 could not help thtniMng, as I gased OjCKn Qiy. hon. friend, of the Unee: ,* h; "Talk not of grtof ^ 'Till thou host seen the tears of bearded men." Their grief wae eo great over the bobiyiliil' tion ^hdch they said wm brought apflU ■MiA CS'i 1 M * ,*. '-¥- — [ ^ [ ' ■Ofemi»f*» W^ Mt oar im^mt ttmtftA aaA ilJHM tb« fM«t:|MtMi piMtev TlMlMIinSTBB OF CUSTOMS. ThAt w«i tlMi/lMfBagi of tiM hon, TMT. Eft MttW Md «Dd loaalr In lii» grM. But let tti» Mk him to lQolc«i a brlfiiit^»- tun, |or I luMt to M* ptet ifMtaSi Tlw hon. cantlMMiii Is wMting tt. La* in», HMk hlB to kkik at a Mi^t pleti»»-HM>t a tancy ptetan bat a ttnw om. I«it Mm traiMport JtUBMOf , Itt lUi mftnA, to on my peo* pie'* Mlkig from har gMhelbaa Hpa* and let htm HetsD to tite napeoaM kom tlio laind- lede ot thODsaade of loyal subjeete "(foA seTe oar graoiooe^ Qaeeo." Let htm contemplate that eoane, ae eke winds kM way to gito gmtetnl thanks to the King of Klngje, who has so atomtda^ly b l esae d her and har peo- INe, and let Mm grasp the tact that In that mooMut the «hioa«hts Of the Ihig-: paopls were eMrred' an tliKr nairar had atlrred befoia. Who 6aa tonoelTe It possible that other thoaghte,Jll9o«^ lag taum hlmaelf i^ apon tbe ez4iliri«tar Of imaaee (U^. IToatar): tIMr tPMn^ koim laat •eeUoo.'yk daj^ aii« #cil», belo«« Hik V*m» Miamu wiqt to Biigliad, driuMk- *ttac&i t6 tbelr oilrn oa|:letMtlon, "tM tt wis ft trahd abd polMteg oat to tbie Sbi^ people that they would gat ttoCUing trim It. OlFli^ tlieiEMrlii^ Ptopla tetlSve irhat their 'aaM t :'' jf\ ' sir OHABLBB TUJPPEB. They did when they Itad^lt Iron the llpa of the FlnarBea Mlnlater (Mr. Fielding), the eonlMWloB a»ade at Shefleld that no preleranea waa glvan. The tftmSTBB OF FINANCE (Mr. Fleldlog). flo eneh eonfaariOn %ras iihadii. Sir dlABLBB TPPPB&. I can proTO to tbe hoB» gaotiW Ba tt |nto -tlDAl, eowi« try. '■ ;" ','■ ,; :. :■;,' .:,, ■, ^ v.... ■ '.,..,'; t '-"' to QrMit Briton tlwi itlitr mi||t sIt»^« ^otntp lof It. Hi* boiW gaotMmn kpiiQW*, I bJMtov*, tlmt w« MvU not infliiih»to tlw , tariff w« «tav« now and fat t^t oanean^oa from Britain. He kbowa ttaat BritJili pQl>- lie oplnlan would haV* to be edneated beforo ^iMit eoidd be doae. it thtfie ttjMii g«itle> men take the poiltMm ttuit «re oti|rbt to iMvo •oaglit a i^tetofentlal HaHff ait all eoMie, Umbt oMut sraato Mint dW' Mitt' itaMBld ttaye IMM) ao ndnoed, aa to maM ewli an anwig»> mant poartble eTea wltb Brltiib pubUe .opin- ion aa It li to-day, and, aeoof^iniB; to the prindplea tiiat they themeelvaa bad laid down, thia would ineaa aaeh a redaetlon na to make It dKBeolt formlany of Oor mann- tttetorara to liTe at til. Sir CHARLES TUPPJSEt. Ko. 'n>e MINISTfiB OF OtTSTOlfS. And I wMMm to rial boldly and aacffiit tl^ logl*" ear Moolta of hla own jaaanmiw. Mr. aonoHMion o( praiercnitlal tnde. ,And tbb boo. mntlilBnan aeiya that the Prime Mlnlaiar did not do hip duty to OaaadA to that he did not orva then and theiv the granting Of tb^ pvelerentlial aiv rkfoemani. Th* Prime iflnlater knaw fbat he eonid not do It with any hope oi anecaMk Thait etci|j(r they had beAn wIlBng to grant it, tlity would baT9 demandod terma, they would faaya demanded eoiiee«al ada a» to whart be' wonld do If ha ofetaliitt power, that, one ot tha ilnrt aotaHOf*lMB QoTenHnwt wopld b« to. aaad tL eoointa- aian to Bnglaod to negotlata ptafaMi4liU tMda with Ite Ooverament of Dord bury. Vhare la tiia faather tiet thftt aa ae;ha got to lkiglaad« before ha had a waM hi .dlaeuaalQn with .any person, exc«|it tha propoaltlon made by tka Daka ot DaToa^ sMre opcnlag tte way «a .oanry o«i th* fvif paojaet, he took tha ataoageat ground agttnat preleraatlal trada, declaring that It #onld Involva protection whieh biad been a to.CMkftda and would ba a cnnie to laadb This proTiJ tome that belore Jii left Canadavb* had changed hia mktdi tint he had determined to abandon, to vlolata tha solemn- pledge he had given to the .paople of this country. And taikm In aooiiaetloa «r|th the laet, that. In tha.atruggle wltk the hua. gantlenMUi' and. myaelt, be acA thi ajnipa#>y of the United Statea, ttie ipaopla thaia hophig ha would oome into power, I could . airlTa at no conelualon bvt' tha oiA I a^atad. I ny I eaonqt arrire ait any mther tonchialon until .tiiB bon. gentleman gli«B ifbat ha lias nanr rentured yat to gita to ^hla Hoipsa and to, the people of* thla eoudft- try, tlia.iaaaon for this ToMe face, tha raaaon lor thia anddv ^ange of the hon. gentleman from a pledged «npportep~- Soma hob. MEMBEB8. Order. Mr. DBPUTY SPEAKER. I^e hon. gen- tleman haa p^nntaaian to answer a qoeatAon, but ba cannot anMr Into a diaensalon. 9ir CSARliES ^Ul^PEB. If the hop. geoh tMalAn who haa daked mf , if|b0 haa ehal^ lengM m e ' ■■ Tha MIinS;TER OF CUSTOMS. I aahad you a quea^toQ. Sir CHARLES TUPPBR. And I Am an. Bwartng it, and belone I take my sea t - — The MINXSTBR OF CUSTOMS. Tha hon. gentiaman is' abuatag the oourteay of th* Chair. I only asfend the hon. gentleman a queetkm. Sir CHARLES TUPPBR. And lam an- swering it. The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. No, tbt bon. gentleman dtd not anawer It. Sir CHARLES TUPPBR. He is afraid ita l^ar tlte truth, Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER. I think «be •n. gentleman, baring anawered the qnea- jn, h«w no right to go on and maka a . -wch. ■ .;' ■>>■'■ * '. ■ Sir CHARLES TUPPBR. "S was aaked to ]ustity my statemant. Mr. l^BPUTY SPEAKER, I think the hon. gentiaman is abusing the permlaalion .tbait has been given him to anawer a qmea- tion. The MINISTBR OF CUSTOMS, t foij^, 9oirj. I do not wish at all to abo# tM *Mij. B'iAIj-,'v- c "^ i {Af, .-•MAiiti. w .5^,,-. \ 59 ■^lllltwt dtMowrtMy to th» boo. f«tlaman (Mn* hoa. IIBIIBEBS. Oh, oh. The MiNISTEB OF CUSTOMS. Will any hon. fratl9iB«4 Mty I IMT* dom 'o t Mr. FOSTBB. Ton. did not want to haar hkn, when he w«a trying to an«w«r jon. The MINISTEB OF CUSTOMS. The noo^ gentMman placed « wry aerioQa atatement npon the "Hnnaatd.** Sill OHaHLES TUPFB8 I am yire- paiwd to JtisUfy It. The MINISTEB OF CUSTOMS. It I nn- dentood him arlgbt; he saM tbat tho Prime MlDlatnr «raa bonod In aome way, In.tba In- tflceata of the Uoited Statea, as I understood hbn to aay, to p^lea In the UoMed Statea. I thought he had aald move thlm he meamt to aaor, tbat he had aald It in a audden heat, and that he m1«^t wMi to explain it or withdraw It. Sir CHABLES TUPPEB. No, no. The bon. gentleman aald no auch a thing. The hoo. gentleman aaked me to Jnatfify the •tAtemeot I made, and I am prepared to do tt now. The MINISTEB OF CUSTOMS. The hon. gantleknan haa entered upon a eouvae a< rear •ontng by which, ha aays, he eonvioced blm- aelf that aomatlilng' waa done. Very well. Let it goat that. Bntr what I aald waa, that be bad made a direct atatement so I nndesatood bun, and now he aays Im reaeh- ed It by certain ooncloBl^^ I aaked him if there was not a contradiction, babwaen the eonelnalons he had reaebad and a tmmd statement tbat that waa th« caae. Noir, wltb rsterence to what the Prime Minister did, what baa been dtn r gad againat him by the bon. gentleman who h|iB Jnit tntermpted me, that haa been up time and again tn the House, and I do not intend to go into tbat at aH at this tima. Sir CHABLES TUPPEB. better not. . No you had The MINISTEB OF CUSTOMS. The House is thoroughly couTersant Vrith tbat matter. But leaving that question, I dealra to maintain the posMlon that haa been taiken on tbls Bide of the House with reference to that preferential tariff. I venture to aay tbat evaror one in Canada would hall a preferanee gtven to us in the Britiah market, if it could be obtained on terme advantageoua to both, and tn the Intereats of botb. What I want to point out to hon. gentlemen opposite is this, that, by di^y, tfeough. tliere IS no law csttpeUtng It^ tbey are, of tbalr own liaa wUl, gl»1a« a pa a i araata to adat Bat, Mr, oar lagtalatlMm dW nfaoaa: It aeaomplMwd the daaunetaitloa oCv tiM Qm- man and Belgian traaMaa, whidi* ao far M w« can fadffal VooM have goiia on lor ttMy long yaava further, U aetlon bad not Um tak«B tv Canada. Bat the bon. geBtMntaB takea azoeiitlon to tbat. He aaya tbat nlaaA tKal; our action bare waa the prima moving .eauae that broui(bt about tbe da- nunelaittoo of tboae tratlea. I think it la to vain for the hon. gentlamaa to *t^ tbat tba Prime Minister, tbe Oovemment and Par» Hament of Canada, are to bava no credit tor tba* reanlt. Why. Sir, In the Oonaerrar ttve papera.publtalMd la tbla city, 00 loogap ago than ttae early part o( tbla month, I And a report of an inteirvlaw wltb Cecil Bhodas, a iiaan wbom. I Mfilnk, boa. gentleman «iMM>- site win admit baa been an Important flguaa In itbe bfatory of Soadb Africa, and tbla la what be aaya: "litr. Caell Bbodea arrived at Madeira to- " day. In the courae of a recent conv er aa • " tloii he spoko warmly of the aervlcea Oaa- " ada had tendered to. the Empire by ecm- " polling the BritiJMi Oovemment to clear tba " Gennan and Belgian trtart'ea ont^ ol tba " way of future inte rt mperl n l cooperation. " Tboae tteatlea formerly were in hla way In " hla torlft arrangementa in South Africa. ' " "Sir WUIHd Lanrlor," be aatd. "baa «Q"ir got rid ol them for ua and the wbola of "ittoe Empfee.*' That, at any rate, . waa tba view of a dtan tingnlahed man from an outlying Britlab posBeaakm. Mr. DAYIN. Tbait la an opinion advena to tba policy of the Oovemment. The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. What do i find tn a apecfcil cable publlabad In Ilia Montreal "Star,'* a paper that la not, I beUeive, panhiculBrly liieniday to the Admikh. latraAlon or Its acts T It Is dated trova London, England, and la aa follows : — "The crlaai in Cuba and Chfaia almoat 1111 " tbe papers hare. "Tbe Budget of. the Hon. Mr. Fielding, " B(£lnieter of Finance, Caomda, attracta a " good deml of attention. I beard a Coneer- " vative member of Parliament aay tbla " morning: 'Our Mtolatera Jaw, ]aw, Jaw, " and do itttle but Jaw about the unity of " tbe Empire, but Canada keepa on doing, " doing, doing." I said that tbe action of the Cianadtan Far- Ilamant la ottaring tbdae tema to the Brl- tl^ pabpla, bad touabed the Brltlidi bearti •'&*'■/ 2't)\i' . ■;^!;>^$.^f'vr..«^:^V'; iM> V' '^"■''^ / 60 PI: WW'i[ fei?j,i;/ mad ttiat led tbma of tlMlr anm naoUoa to mate tnqMrlai i«q>Mtinv tht pvodueta of tliia DomlMott. What do wa )mmi»> troas shlpp«n and auMbaatsf To-day la tii« prtoolpal markata laqalrtai an aada for Oanadfan gooda; a trial Im glvvk tlwaa, and tka raralt ia aem la thf wMaly Ineraaiad vtpoiiM to the Ikii^lah maHwt. Let me fflva tba Hoaae a atatpDant of our exiKMrta to Great Brttatn daring tba ftret aU montiM of tlia preeamt flaeal year, we flad that oar azporia, aa ■ eamparBd wAMi tha obma- pondlnc partod of the laat llMal yaar, In- ereaaed by tha large lom of faatSOOtess. That le oar total exporte for tba alz momtha OTW the oonreaponding alx aonoitiba of tha laat year. I think ft la a fairer way to leave oat the foreign prodacta, and If we do so, we find that daring tboae atx montha onr home prodnote exported to Great Bri- tain ahow an Imnaae of $19,287,864 dor* tag tha elx montha of the preeent over tlie ooncapondtag alx montha ol tba ptarkraa year, which itadf waa a large yaar for «x- porta. Where do I fhtd the tncveaaea ? Take thavflgaree. Prodneta of the flaharlBa, la- ereaae, 882,664; paodoeta of tlia loraat, la- eieaae, 88,848,299; ajitaiala and tbalr pro- dooe, Ineraaaa, 86,564,942; agrleoltaMl p«o- daoti, tncrcaae. 88,640.184; manofaotaiea, taereaae, $782,759. Tha expocte of prodaee of tiie mlnee to Great Britain decteaaed dar- ing «lie alx montiie by $108,648, and there waa alao a deereaae te tha exporta of mlfloel- laneoaa artlclea to the extmt of $22,216. Dedoeting thaM deereaaea, tha bionaae In the other Une of home prodnota during tha first alx' oiooitlia of tbe pnatnt llacal yaar over the eorreepoDdlng alx montha of the pia- ▼looa yaar amounted to $19,287,864. I de- alrf to call attentloii to the taot that while our exponta have aSiown an liicreaae dur- ing thoaaaix montha of nearly $20,000,000 aa .compared with the correapoMlng atx moaaMia of the prevlooa year, the total Im- porta Into Great BrHalin dortaig that time had deereaaed neai'ly $90,000,000. Can any- thing apeak louder for the poaltlon that Canada haa taken In the Brlttofa market even in tha ahort apace of time our taiiff haa been In operatkm ? Mr. LANDERKIN. pr-efereptlal trade. Tlwit le Tery good The MINISTER OF OUSTOMS. I had not Intended to occupy the time ol tbe Hooae ao long, but the mading of the iablea took a longer time than I had anticipated. I hara not attempted to deal with the flnanolAl part of the atatement made omlo> ion, hav* endaaTo«ii«d, ao far' aa ta then llee, to economically carry on the adBilBi> latratlon of the flnanoea of tha country,, while tfliey are ait the aame time adTanetag Ha pMMQierlty. Mr. I VIN. What ahout augar T The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. li la Juat an edement ta the policy that baa been Is- troduead by thia Goveiameirt, that of btad^ tag together the oolonlea aa wall aa tha mo- ther eonatry, I would aay to ban. gaotla- nien oppoalte that I have never cMmad credit, nor haa thla Gove'.*nfflent ever claln- ed credit, that In our piaferentlal trade aa i%garda England or EngUah colonM we , have acted aoMy and alone to bcnaflt itlMi motherland or the ooloodea.. We are look- tag after our own tatereaca aa well aa da» velopteg the tatereeta of the motherland. The reductlona In our buidene give advaair tage to Canada, and tin praierer' iccord- ed to England la an advantage , . to her by Canada, and the aame remark appUea to the Weat Indlea. What dM tbe leader of the Oppoaltlon aay with reapect to tha praaant augar tariff ? He declared we had adopted the right poHcy, that he had urged it upon uB laat year, that ondar tha tMMt aa It exiated our Weat Indian conimeree had been deetroyed. I waa unaible at the tdma to find or to renumtar where the boa. gentleman hiat year made that reeonuneada- tlon. He did not give ua the time when ha m&de It or the page where It could be found, and I am told by an hon. gentleman who has looked throngh "Hanaard" that ha fail- ed 'ta the heaty glance made ait Ita pagea to find the hon. gintlcnMm'e arta.tement. I would be aorry to aay that he did not make it, but be did not give the Houae the !»• terence. Sir CHARLES TUPPER. The hon. gen tleman'a oollaague can tell hdm. The MINISTER OF FINANCE. The hon. geotlaman cannot now tell when he did lt» becauae he did not do It. Tha MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. If the hon. gentleman did ao, I will be willing to look it up In "Hanaard." My memory wholly falls to recall It, If the hon. gen- tleman ever proposed anything such aa wa propoae. I eey I accept hia word, but I have no rememtonanoe of It. But if I accept hie word, I ask him ta what position he placee the ex-MInJater of Finance and the party who supported htm. We left the an^ gar tariff laat. yaar on raw engar aa we found It left hy the previous Oovemmuit; and It la the queatltm of raw augar and nnt the refined that afltota the Weet India tvade. Mr. FOSTER. Will my hon. ftland aay ^•&^h^%&^,. /'Lj^Jmd ■v-uJ-.^^-'j^-,..: ., X>' .^aiiS^ ^l '■m ^'-^'^y^ 6v \ < «iteC ih» W«»t Ittdlw r Tlw MIMSTB* OF 0U8TOM8. Ym, bMh •amt thfi W«it IndlM; toot «« ««»• tloB mt l»o« !• «»• '•'W aiifu. Tto kjon. MtttlMMtn knowa that; It ht dow not know ftT he oogbt to tanow it; but I *uppoM It u pMlbte tlM* be <10M not know. iMeanM hta l»ad«r ioid n« laat nlglit tbut nndar tiw tarin IK* bad nilnad tbt Wwt India eom- Sir CHARLES TU?PBR. Uto. Tbt MINISTER OF OUBTOIfS. Wall, U ^0M ondw tba tartfl aa wa lonnd It and l«lt It. All we did was to itadoea tha daty on ttoa ralnad angar, tba protaetlon to tha Mflnev, 14 eanta on the haadrad poonda, Wa hit ttit duty on raw Mgar |ni* aa It #aa, and ft la on tha raw aagar that wa an gtrmg*. pidaranM to tha W«at India plairt- M«, whioh the bon. genttaman admlta will be a boon to tbfm, bat not to thHn alone, baeanaa he consMera (that It wiU ravlve a trade whddi will ba prodtabto to the mari- time proTlneea and to all pavta of the Do- minkm. Now, I have apofcen on augar, aa tiw hoo. gantknuan aakad ma to do, and I tmat I have made myaedf plain. Bfr. BENNirrT. Tell vm abont tl>o Eng- llirti postage yoa annoaneod at Toronto. The MINISTER OF OlTSTOMS. The Bag- llsb poa«Bga is aomertMog on the same Una; It is coming. The bon. gentleman has al- laded tio that to tbe Honse before. He spoke, I think, of myself eia having been troated somewhat unfairly, as be suppoaed by tha Poatmaster General. Well, I have not felt yery badly oyer, that matter. I am told by people who were pieeenit that when the an- nonncemeot of that raduetlon in English poetage was made, it waa well received by the andience. In fact, I waa at the meeting myself. 1 am told tbait the aunonneement was made in cleaar and stentorian tones, and that the whole Maaeey Hall- audience heard it. Being myself an eye witness, I can say that the statnneut was made in all gpood faith, and that the effect on tLe audience waa eleotrical. It showed ma that, altbongh tbe Pofltmaeter Qmeral has perhaps been de- layadi In the consnmniAtion of his wishea for a short time, aa we have been in our desire to confine our tariff prsterence to the -British Envpire, yet the heart of tbe Canadian people was with him in that Imparial-Oana* dtan moTement; and wben that • cornea abont, tlien tihe hon. gentleman can have the satisfaction of knowing tltat still an- etbar act hoa, tbrongh the instnunentalMty of the OanAdian GoTemment, onltad atiU nkdre cloaedy and boood more firmly to- gether the motherland and this the greatest •t her poasesslona. I have apoken of the poMage, aa reqaeeted. It them af« any otftier maitteis on wtdch bon. geatleuMn would Ilka to speak, I wcnld Ilka to oblige tlNn, tboaglijl mart eloie my remartai, tor I MrUalaly wiK not eonttooe them beyidnd tha dktaw bd«r. Let me note, to eonelnalon, that hfoo* fMttla* men mate setfous ebarge* agalnat v.Ttm charge that we have not talflllad a siogli promiae that wa made to tba pacyla tb at We bate tailed in all ont piedfsa. Wall. 8lr that Is a aarloas eharge. m It tnat I>o tha hon. geritjienan maan te eameat to omOm a drnrge 61 tbat kind T Attar the flgorai I taava glvan, taken from oflalal leeoada, will tbqr aay that thla GovemmeM have not been tma to the pledge they gave td tba people of thla eonn^ to rednee the barden of tazaitlott. In the Hght ot tbe flgorM gfvan by the Flnanee Minister, and dwcAt upon more ' In detail by tbe Minister ot Trade and Commerce, will they iiot say tba* te many of die l^rancbes ot the public aerw^ ^ice economies have been practdoed and re- trenchments madef We inomiaed that then would be increased proapeilty, and do Hmv mean to eay tbat increased prosperity is not in the country to-day? The Prime Minfr^ tar, two or three yean ago, when atandfing betdre a dlstingolshed audience ot eommer- cial man, after having listened to a vast aip- ray ot statistics read by tbe ex-Mlnieter Of Finance, ta order to convince them tbat thegr were prosperons, aafd to them : " It yon put m« and my party in power, we will net need to use this long Hat of statlsMcs to prove that yon are proeperons, for yoa will feel it In your pocketa." Is that tzna f Hoo. gentlemen have aaid tbat it was by an acei-<- deot thait^we aitrtataied power — roCetrlng, I sappoacf, to a question tliat faad^ creaited a sharp division among tbe people of Can- adar— a qneation Invnlvlmg redigiooa teeAlnga, feelings ^hlob are the deepest In tbe beatte of OS all, and which oogbt to be reeogniiead with charity and torbearanoe, and With a dispoaition to give others tbe oame privilege of Ubevty ot oonncienoa that we demand tor oonwivee. When thoee feeUngs wef» stined up and aroused In tbe conntry, and a great deal of discontent was excited among the pef(H>le, the bon. Flmt Minister said : "I be- lieve tSiat it I were entrasted with power, I would be able, by different means trom those employed by our opponenta, by meana tb\Bt would commend themselves to all the falr-nriiMled men ot tble conntry, to bring abont a peaceable and bappy solution of this qbeatlon.'* Wh«re is it to-day 7 Was tha promise kept ? I say that if there was noth- ing else that stood to the credit of the right hon. gentleman wlio leads this Govennment, that alone entitles liim to a renewnl ot the eonfldenoe of the people ot thiis country.. What more did w« promise ?. Mr. BSStGERON. The coal doty. The MINISTER OF CUSTOMS. We pro. mlaed that we woul^ wipe . out the Fxa^ ehlw Act. W^ are at It now, though opf .*"'i. i^J:&i^li. L tii^ltJ-J.l'f^kM^'^M^- -jL.^'iiJAAt^^ V'*J''*:t^«.\^ ^LiiLi^:!! ■;^^. mMm^^^'Mk^m:^'^ V'^.^'Y- .r-«> !••. ;^yf «• ■0M< Iv ten. ■ntlMMO ovpwit*. Ttoj j|«Mttd \ia»Boa> J OB cor part. Wt piopqMd to npaa llMit Att wMok, It It iTM eanrM It oa0bt o bo la taotko to itte iMopIo of the DoailiUoa-»wonld m- toll mllUaM of dolhufo of aotiMaao. TImm .\on. ■wtmimi Mill apoa wi tp mobo«Im, «a4 tiMB trj to .IfHTM thOt A«t ttpOB M, th» MRftaf out of wlitah, •• It oof ht to Iw MnirlOd o«t, would wtail mlUkmo of doUora of wiMnw. W^* pronlMd a pkblMlt* to ••- MTtola tbfi tlmn of tto ptoplt on tbo qjam- tlon ol imdilbltloo and latakl to «any oat that prooiiat. Wa want alao to rMtdJoot tlM boaadarlea of tlw eonatt^iMneioi and noMdy tbt InlQUtj jmpatrated by taoa. cnittaoMii Imported, la lars»>4oantl^ dar tha praMtantlal elnaaa daMag year, and will be Inportad futum, and yon will find thatthaaa tiM dntlea on which waaa the general tarMf and ai* greatly under the ^ prafenaitlal clanaa, 'aama poaltlou tm manor othar artteh*] Inataad of estra proteetlon MUmi them, tha protaotlon la graatiy n\ navnr' self. I can allow newapapera that < for their reputation to miaat and their talaaitatemcnt? and abhigea, hi' not aspaot that a mautbar of Pfrf who baa aoeani to the raoorda of Pari would thaoir out an Inalmiaftlon auclE been thrown at tha pnaent tkne. Lat me aay this, In the minnte ot| my diapo^al. t have ahown how redaemad our pladgea. We all fcno| oertafh pradletlona ware made by tiemen oppoalta balora tha laat el all know that predletiona w«re them whieh we may eonalder pledgee. If they ware honourable ballevad what they aald. What promiaa would happen if the Liberal came Into power? They predict trade would atagnata. Well, Mr. every ttansportatloh line on land an^ endoraad by every bank and claarin proclalma that prophecy aa falea. dieted that factoriea wonld be c\i manufacturing Indnatrlea cmehed. tha thouaande of taetorlaa csti throughout thlB Dominion and new onaa tirat aiie aprlnging up glT«| tradlctlon to that predfctioti. They that ovr artlaana and mechanics wc tha atteets In vatn begging for worlj work to be bad. Sir, the electric UkI ic^ in many of the taetortea thla broad Dominion, all thirongh hours of the night, declaoe not oinlyl arttoane, ^aOm Liberal rale, am no^ for work and nnabto to obtatai It, they are conatantly em ployed iknd tU arttaancT have to be found to man til torlea', night aa well aa day. In order| up td the damanda of trade, 'ttaey the promlaee with the p^ormeTio Liberal party. I would place befo their own pmdlctkms and the abeolJ ure Of thrne predtetlons, And hyf anawerable logic of facta the Lf at any rate, may w^l be ooaatenit toj ./ L^ii.£-aiaaatfi^i!a.rjL»^w. ...T.lo7ed>nd und to man t1 I diiy, to order! trade, 'hm le pertormsDi Id ptaiee bet and the abeol tons, And by tcta the LI be oQOioeoit i ■'fc' »■*•#". >i^mjfifM'-*i'<- 1-rd?^ '■^M-KH^:^