FURTHER ConftDmtton$ ' • Concerning Raifing the Value MONEY WHEREIN Mr. Lowndes % Arguments for it in his late Report concerning Jn EJfy for the Amendment of the Silver Coins^ are particu- lariy Examined, *- loUdon, Printed for A. and 'J. Churchil at the Black. Swan in Pater'Nofier-RoWj MDCXCV. TO TrtE Right Honorable S^John Sommers, Kt. Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England y and one of His Majefties moft Honorable Privy Council. MY LORD, The PapersI here prelent your Lordfhip, are in Subftance the fame with one which I delivered to you, in Obedi- ence to the Commands 1 received by your Lordfhip, from their Excellen- cies, the Lords Juftices; and with A 2 another The Dedication. another, which I writ in Anfwer to fbme C^eftions your Lordfliip was pleafed to propole to me concerning our Coin. The Approbation your J' Lordftiip was pleafed to give them ', ' then, has been an Encouragement to me, to revife them now, and put ' them in an Order; fitter to comply | ' with their Dcfires, who will needs I have me print fbmething at this time, j oil this Subjefl:: And could any thing ^ ofthis Nature be received with Indif- ferehcy in this Age; the Allowance ^ they have had from your Lordfhip , whole, great and clear Judgment is, PP° with general Confent and Applaule, I* ' ' acknowledged to be the juft Meafure '^J^ of Right and Wrong amongft us, ,r^^ might make me hope that they might I ,i pais in the World without any great, PP., DiHike. fPpJ However, fince your Lordfhip®'^ thought they might be of life to clear fbme Difficulties, and reftifie Ibme®^* wrong Notions that are taken up® ^ about Money, I have ventured them^' into^the World, defiring no Mercy any The Dedication. er to, erroneous Pofitions or wrong \v25l Rea-fonings, which ihall be found in them. I fhall never knowingly be of any, but Truths and my Countrey's :rniDg your them'fide ' ^he former I fliall always gladly ent toj and own, whoever fhews it d put^^ • Papers, I am fure, omply "0 other Aim, but to do what little I can , for the Service ol my stime: Lordfliip's fo evident- ^thing preferring that to all other Confide- rations, does, in the Eyes of all Men, fit lb well upon you, that my Ambi- tion will not be blamed ; if I in this, ^propofe to my felf fb great an Exam- Cp' pie ; and in my little fphere am mo- ilndif- I rved by the fame Principle. I have a long time forefeen the Mifi chief and Ruine coming upon us by .clipp'd Money, if it were not timely 'ftopp'd: And had Concern enough for the Publick, to make me print fbme Thoughts touching our Coin fbme Years fince. The Principles I _ there m ent on, I fee no reafon to al- fJJ ter ; They have, if I miftake nor, ^ their Foundation in Nature, and will A 5 ftand: gft us Drddiif :o clear- :e foni! ;KJ t( aoi*' The Dedication. ftand : They have their Foundation in Nature, and are clear 5 and will be fb, in all the Train of their Conle- quences throughout this whole ( as it is thought) myfterious Bufinefs of Money, to all thole, who will but be at the eafie Trouble of ftripping this Subjeft of hard, obfcure and doubtful Words, wherewith Men are often miflead and miflead others. And now the Dilbrder is come to Extremi- ty, and can no longer be plaid with, I wifh it may find a liiddain and elFeftu- al Cure; not a Remedy in Sound and Appearance, which may flatter us on to Ruine in the Continuation of a growing Milchief, that calls for pre- lent Help. I wifh too, that the Remedy may be as eafie as polCble ; and that the Cure of this Evil be not ordered fo as £0 lay a great Part of the Burden une- qually on thofe, who have had no particular Hand in it. Wefimwjler~ Hall is lb great a Witnels of your Lordlbip'sunbiafled Juftice, andftea- Care to prelerve to every one their Right; T'he Dedicationl Right ; that the World will not wonder you Ihould not be for fuch leflening our Coin, as will, without any Reafon, deprive great Numbers of blamelels Men of a Fifth Part of their Eftates, beyond the Relief of Chincery, I hope this Age will fcape lb great a Blemilh. I doubt not but there are many, who, for the Service of their Countrey, and for the Sup- port of the Government, would glad- ly part with, not only one Fifth, but a much larger Portion of their Eftates. But when it lhall be taken from them, only to be beftowed on Men in their, and the common Opinion, no better deierving of their Countrey than themfelves, unlefs growing exceed- ingly rich by the publick Neceffities, whilft every body elfe finds his For- tune ftreightned by them, be a pub- lick Merit, that deferves a publick and fignal Reward, this Lois, of one Fifth of their Debts and Income, will fit heavy on them, who' fball feel it without the Alleviation of any Profit or Credit, that will thereby accrue to A 4 the The Dedicatimi the Nation, by/uch a leflening of our Coin. If any one ask, how I, a retired private Man, come at this time to meddle with Money and Trade : For they are infeparable 5 I reply, that your Lorfhip, and the other great / Men that put me upon it, are an- fwerable for it: Whether what I fay be to the purpofe or no, that I my feif am anfwerable for. This I can anfwer to all the World, that I have not faid any thing here, without a full Perfwafionofits Truth ; nor with f any other Motive or Purpofe than the clearing of this artificially perplexed, rather in it felf myfferious Subjed, as far as iny poor Talent reaches. ThaC which perhaps I fhall not be fo well able to anfwer, to your Lordfhip and my felf, is the Liberty I have taken, in fuch an Addrefs as this, to profefs fhatlam, " ^ My Lord, Tour Lordfhips mofi humble and mofi Obedient Servant JOHN LOCKE. oor 'i' ■' THE PREFACE. T Hough Mr. Lowndes a?jd I differ in ihe Way, yet 1 affure my [elf, our End is the fame; and that ive bptb fropofe to , , our [elves the Service of our Country. He is a Man known fo able in the Fojl he is in ; to which the bufinefs of Money peculiarly belongs : And has [hewed him- felf fo learned in the Records, and Mat- ters of the Mint; and fo exaSl in Cal- culations and Combinations of Numbers relating to our Coin, either already in ufe, or dejigned by him, that 1 think I fbould have troubled the Publick no more en this Subje^, had not he himfelf en- gaged me in it ; and brought it to that pafs, that either 1 mufi be thought to re- nounce my own Opinion, or mufi publick^ ly oppofe his. Whilfi r j| The Preface. Whilfi his TrcHfe was yet a Ma/su- fcrift, ahA before it was laid before thofe great Perforss, to whom it was afterwards fubmitted^ he did me the Favour to fbew it to me ; and made me the Compliment, to ask me my Opinion of it. Though we had fome fbort Difcourfe on the Subje&, yet the multiplicity of his bufinefs, whilfi I (laid in Town ; and my Health, which foon after forced me out of it, allowed us not an occafton to debate any one point throughly , and bring it to an ijjue Be- fore I returned to Town, his Book was in the Prefs; and fintfhed befme I had the opportunity to fee Mr. Lowndes again. And here he laid a new Obliga- tion on me, not only in giving me one of them ; but telling me, when I received it from his Hands, that it was the firjl he had parted with to any Body. J then went it over a fecond time, and having more leifure to confder it, I found there were a great many Particulars in it drawn out of Ancient Records, not commonly known , wherewith he had obliged the W 'orld. Thefe, which very pleaftngly en- pertained me, though they prevail d not on The Preface. on mt to he of his Opinion every wherCy yet joynd mth the great Civilities he had fhewn tne, left me in a dtfpofition fa little inclined to oppofe any thing in ity that 1 fbottld rather have chofen to acknowledge my felf in Print, to he his Converty if his Arguments had convinced me, than to troubled the World with the Reafons, why I Dijfent from him. In this Difpofttion my Pen relied^ from medling any farther with this Sub^ jeli whiljl 1 was in Town^ foon after my own Healthy and the Death of a Friend, forPd me into the Country : And the bu- finefs occafion'd thereby, and my own pri- vate Affairs, took up all my time, at my frft coming thither \ and had continued onto do foy had not fever al repeated in- tinsations and inflances from London, not without fame reproaches of my back- wardnefsy made me fee, that the fVorld concerned me particularly in M.Lowndes'i^ Pojifcripty and expelled fomething from me on that occafion. Though pofftbly 1 was not wholly out of his mind when Mr. Lowndes writ that Invitation, yet I Jhall not make my felf the The Preface. the Commitments to think I alone am eon' cern'din it. The great importance of the matter made him defire every one to con' tribute what he could to the clearing of it^ and fitting it in a true light. And I muji do him this R igbt, to thinkj that he pre' fers the publick Good to his private Opi- nion 5 and therefore is willing his Propo- fals and Arguments jhould be with free- dam exatnind to the bottom^ that if there be any mijlake in themy no body may be mijled by his Reputation and Authorityy to the prejudice of his Country. Thus I under It and his Pojifcripty and thus 1 flsall endeavour to comply with it. I jhall to the belt of my skilly examine his Argu- ments with all Refpect to him^ and Fide- lity to Truthy as far as I can difcover it. The franknefs of his proceeding in parti- cular with mcy ajjures me he is fo great a Lover of 7ruth and Righty that he will not think himfelf injuPd when that is de- fended; and will be glad^ when it is made plaiuy by whofe Hand foever it be. 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Further Lift (O ler FURTHER ConftDerattons Concerning Raijing the Value MONEY Silver is the 3In(frument and S^eafure of Cotnmerce in all the Civilized and Trading parts of the World. It is the 31nttrument of Commerce by its intrinfick value. - The intrinCck halue of Silver confider'd as Money, is that eftimate which commoa confent has placed on it, whereby it is made Equivalent to all other things, and confequently is theuniverfal Barter or Ex- change which Men give and receive for B other CO other things they would purchafe or part with for a valuable confideration : And thus as the Wife Man tells us, Momy an. fwers all things. Silver is the Sl^afure of Commerce by its quantity, which is the Meafure alfo of its intrinfick value. If one grain of Silver has an intrinfick value in it, two grains of Silver have double that intrinfick value, and three grains treble, and fo on propor- tionably.This we have daily Experience of, in common buying and felling. For if one Ounce of Silver will buy, i.e. is of equal value to one Bufliel of Wheat, two Ounces of Silver will buy two Bufhels of the fame Wheat, i. e. has double the value. 1 .Hence it is evident, that an equal quatu tftp of Silver is always of equal value to an equal quantity of Silver. V This common fenfe , as well as the Market, teaches us. For Silver being all of the fame nature and goodnefs, having all the fame quantities, 'tis impolfible but it fhould in the fame quantity have the fame value. For if a lefs quantity of any Commodity be allowed to be equal in va- lue to a greater quantity of the fame fort of Commodity, it muft be for fome good quality it has which the other wants. But ^Iver to Silver has nofuch difference. Here (5) Here it will be asked, is not feme btr finer than other ? 1 anfwer, one mafs of mixed Metal not difcerned by the Eye to be any thing but Silver, and therefore called Silver, may have a lefs mixture of bafer Metal in it than another, and fo in common fpecch Is faid to be finer Silver. So Dncatoous ha- ving a lefs mixture of Copper in them than our Englifh Coin has, are faid to be finer Silver. But the truth is, the Silver that is in each is equally fine, as will ap- pear when the bafer Metal is feparate from it. And 'tis of this pure or fine filver I muft be underftood when 1 mention filver; not regarding the Copper or Lead which may chance to be mixM with it. For ex- ample: Take an Ounce of fine filver, and 4 of an Ounce of Copper, and melt them together, one may fay of the whole mafs, that it is not fine filver, but it is true there is an Ounce of fine filver in it; and though this mafs weighing I4 Ounce be not of equal value to 14 Ounce of fine filver, yet the Ounce of fine filver in it is, when fe- parate from the Copper, of equal value to any other Ounce of filver. By this Meafure of Commerce, viz.. the quantity of filver. Men meafure the value of all other things. Thus to meafure what the value of Lead is to Wheat, and of ei- B 2 ther (4) ■ ther of them to a certain fort of Linnen Cloth, the quantity of Silver that eath is va uedator fells for, needs only be known. For if a Yard of Cloth be fold for i Ounce of Silver, a Bulhel of vVheat for one Ounce, and an hundred weight of Lead for two Ounces, any one prefently fees and fays that a hufhcl of Wheat is double the value of a Yard of that Cloth, and but half the value of an hundred weight of Lead. Some are of opinion that this meafure of Commerce, like all other meafures, is Arbitrary, and may at pleafure be variedly by putting more or fewer grains of Silver in pieces of a known denomination, v. g. by making a penny or a fhilling lighter or heavier,inSilvcr,inaCountry wherethefe are known denominations of pieces of lilver mo- ney.But they will be of another mind, when they conlider that Silver is a meafure of a nature quite different from all other. The Yard or Quart Men meafure by, may reft indifferently in the Buyers and Sellers,or a third perfons hands, it matters not whoft it is. But it is not fo in Silver. It is the thing bargain'd for, as well as the meafure of the bargain; and in Commerce paflcs from the buyer to the feller, as being in "fuch a quantity equivalent to the thing fold: And fo it not only meafures the value of the Commodity it is apply'd to, but is given (5) given in Exchange for it, as of equal value But this if does,f as is vilible) only by its quantity^ and nothing elle. For it muft be retnembred, that Silver is the Inflrument as well as A4eafnre of Commerce, and Is given in Exchange for the things traded for; And every one defiring to get as much as he can of it for any Commodity he fells, 'lis by the quantity of Silver he gets for it in Exchange, and by nothing elfe, that he meafures the value of the Comrh^ity he fells. The Comi'nn: of silver, or making ntp of it, is the afcertaining of its qu^n- tity by a publick mark, the better to fit it for Commerce. In CoirPd Silver or Money there are thefe three things, which are wanting in other Silver, i. Pieces of exaftly the fame weight and finenefs. 2. A ftamp fet on thofe pieces by the publick Authority of that Country. 3, A known denomination gi- ven to thefe pieces by the fame Authority. The fetantp is a mark, and as it were a publick voucher that a piece of fuch a denomination is of fuch a weight, and fuch a finenefs, i.e. has fo miich Silver in it. That precife weight and finenefs,by Law appropriated to the pieces of each deno- Eiination, is called the &tanbacti. B 3 ifmc (6) iFl'ne filter is Silver without the mix- tare of any bafer Metal. SiUap is bafer Metal mixed with it. The iFi'nencf0 of any Metal appearing to be Silver, and fo called, is the proper- tion of Silver is in it, compared with what there is in it of bafer Metals. ' The Finenefs of Standard Silver in Eng- land is eleven parts Silver, and one part Copper, near: Or to fpcak more exaftly, the proportion of Silver to Copper is as an hundred and eleven to nine. Whatever piece or mafs has in it of bafer Metal above the proportion of 9 to 11 t , is worfe or courfer than Standard. Whatever mafs ^ of Metal has a lefs proportion than 9 to XII, of bafer Metal in it, is better or finer than Standard. Since Silver is the thing fought, and would better ferve for the meafure of Commerce if it were unmixt, it will polfi- bly be asked why any mixture of bafer Metal is allowed in Money, and what ufe there is of fuch Sllla^, which ferves to make the cjuamity of Silver lefs known in the feveral Coins of different Countries ? Perhaps it would have been better for -' Commerce in general, and more conveni- ent for all their Subjeds, if the Princes every where, or at leaft in this part of the World, would atfirft have agreed on the ' fine- ( 7 ) finenefs of the Standard to have been juft Allay, in round numbers j without chofe minuter Fraftions which are to be found in the Allay of moft of the Coin in the feveral diftind Dominions of this part of the World: Which broken proportion of bafer Metal to Silver, in the Standard of the fcveral Mints, feeras to have been introduced by the Skill of Men imploy'd in Coining, to keep that Art (as all Trades are call*d) a Myftery rather than for any ufe or neceffity there was of fuch broken nurabers.But be that it as it will,the Stand- ard in our Mint being now fetled by An- thority, and eftabliflied by Cuftom, known at home and abroad, and the rules and methods of Eflaying fuited to it •, and all the wrought Plate as well as Coin of land being made by that meafure ^ it is of great concernment that it fliould remain nnvariable. But to the queftion 5 What need is there of any mixture of bafer Metal with Silver in Money or Plate ? I anfwer, there is great reafon for it. For, I. Copper mixt with Silver makes it harder, and fo it wears and waftes lefs in ufe than if it were fine Silver, z. It melts eafier. 3. Silver as it is drawn and mek- ed from the Mine, being feldora perfcdly fine, it would be a great charge by refining, B 4 to (8) to feparatc all the bafer Metals from it, and reduce it to perfeAly unmixt Silver. The ufe of Coin'd Silver or Money is, that every Man in the Country where it is current by publick Authority, may, with- out the trouble of refining , efTaying or weighing, be afliired what quantity of Sil- vcr he gives, receives, or coniradts for, un- der fuch andfuchdenomination§. If this Security goes not along with the publick Stamp, Coining is labour to no purpofe, and puts no difference between coin'd Money and uncoin'd Bullion. This is fo obvious, that I think no Government, where Money is Coin'd, ever overlooks it. And therefore the Laws every where, when the quanti ty of filver has been leffen'd in any piece carrying the publick Stamp, by Clip- ping, Wafhing, Rounding, &c. have taken pff the Authority of the publick Stamp,and declar'd it not to be lawful Money. This is known to be fo in£»^/»W,andeverycnemay not only refufe any Money bearingthe pub- lick Stamp, if it becUpt,or any ways rob'd - of the due weight of its Silver; but he that offers it in payment is liable to Indidlment, Fine and Imprifonment. From whence we may fee, that the ufe and end of the pub- lick Stamp is only to be a guard and vouch- cr of the quantity of Silver which Men pontraT for. And the injury done to thp publick m \ , ( 9 ) publick Faith, in this point, is that which in Clipping and falfe Coining hightens the Robbery into Treafon. Men in their bargains contrail not for denominations or founds, but for the in- trinlick value^ which is the quantity of Silver by publick Authority warranted to be in pieces of fuch denominations. And 'tis by having a greater quantity of Silver, that men thrive and grow richer, and not by having a greater number of denomina- lionsi Which when they come to have need of their Money will prove but empty founds, if they do not carry with them the teal quantity of Silver is expeiled. ♦ The Standard once fetled by publick Authority,the quantity of Silver eftablifhed under the feveral denominations/I humbly conceive, Ihould not be altred ) till there were an abfolute neceffity Ihewn of fuch a change, which I think can never be. The reafon why it Ihould not be chang- cd is this J Becaufe the publick Authority is Guarantee for the performance of all legal Contrads. But men are abfolv'd from the performance of their legal con- trads,if the quantity of Silver, under fet- led and legal denomination, be altred; A? is evident, ifborrowing i oo /.or 400 Oun- ces of Silver to repay the fame quantity of Silver (for that is underftood by the fame Clo) fum, and fo the Law warrants it) or ta- king a Leafc of Land for years to come, at the like Rent of I oo/. iheylhall pay both the one and the other in Money CcinM under the fame denominations with I lefs Silver in it, than at the time of the bar- gain. The Landlord here and Creditor are each defrauded of to per Cent, of what they contraded for, and is their due. And 1 ask, How much jufter it would be thus to diilblve the Contracts they had made ? than to make a Law, that from henceforth all Landlords and Creditors Ihould be paid their pail Debts and the Rents for Lcafes ready made, in dipt Money, twenty per Cent, lighter than it Ihould be? Both ways they lofe twenty per Cent, of their due, and with equal Juftice. The cafe would be the fame, and legal Contrads be voided, if the Standard Ihould be altred on the otherfide, and each fpecies ,of our Coin be made ] heavier. For then he that had borrowed or contraded for any Sum, could not be difcharged by paying the quantity he agreed for, but be liable to be forced to pay 20 percent, more than he bargained for, that is, more than he .ought. . On the other fide ^ Whether the Creditor be forced to receive lefs, or the Debtor ,forced to pay more than his Contrad, the damage (") damage and injury is the fame, whenever a Man is defrauded of his due. And whe- ther this will not be a publick failure of Juftice, thus aibitrarily to give one Mans Right and PoflelTion to another, without a- ny fault on the fuffering Man's fide, and without any the leaft advantage to the publick, 1 (hall leave to be confidered. Il^aifing of Coin is but a fpecious v^ford to deceive the unwary. It only gives the ufual denomination of a greater quantity of Silver to a lers,('y.^. calling Four Grains of Silver a Penny to day, when Five Grains of Silver made a Penny yeflerday) but adds no worth or real value to the Sil- ver Coin, to make amends for its want of Silver. That is impofTible to be done. For ic is only the quantity of the Silver in it that is, and eternally will be, the meafure of its value. And to convince any one of this, 1 ask, whether he that is forced to receive but 3 zo Ounces of Silver under the denq- raination of ico /. (for 400 Ounces of Sit- ver which he lent under the like denomi- nation of 100 /.) will think thefe 320 Gun- ces of Silver, however denominated, worth thofe 400 Ounces he lent ? If any one caii be fuppofed fo filly, he need but go to the next Market or Shop to be convinced, that Men value not Money by the denomina- tion, but by the ilHantlt? of Silver that is in ( \ ( 12 ) w it. One may as rationally hope to lengthen a foot by dividing it into Fif- teen parts, inftead of Twelve; and calling them Inches^ as to increafe the value of ' the Silver that is in a Shilling, by dividing it into Fifteen parts inftead of Twelve, and calling them Pence. This is all that is done when a Shilling is raifeJ from Twelve to Fifteen Pence. Clipping: of Money is railing it with- out pnbiick Authority; the fame denomi- nation remaining to ti e piece, that hath now lefs Silver in it, than it had before. Altering the Standard, by Coining pieces under the fame denomination with lefs Sil- ver in them than they formerly had, is doing the fame thing by publick Authori- ty. The only odds is, that by Clipping the lofs is not forced on any one (for no bo- dy is obliged to receive Clip'd Money,) By altering the Standard it is. ^ Altering the Standard, by raijtng the Mo- ney ,wili not get to the Publick or bring to the Mint to beCoin'd one Ounce of Silver .* But will defraud the King, the Church, the Univerfiries and Hofpitals, ^c. offo much of their fcticd Revenue,as the Money is rai^ fed v.g. 20 fer Cent, if the Money (as is propos'd) be raifed ]. It will weaken,if not totally deftroy the publick Faith, when all 1 that have trufted the Publick, andalTifted our C »3 ) our prefent neceffities, upon Afts of Parlia- menr, in the Adillion Lottery^ Bank jiB , and other Loans^ (hall be defrauded of zopcr Cent, of what thofe Adts of Parliamenc V. ere fecurity for. And to conclude,this rai- fiiig oirr Money will defraud all private Men of 20 per Cent, in all their Debts and fetlcd Revenues. capping by Engliih Men is robbing the honeft Man who receives clip'd Money, and transferring the Silver, j. e. the value is pared ofFfrom it into the Clippers poc- kec. Clipping by Foreigners is robbing England it felt. And thus the Spaniards lately rob'd Portugal of a great part of its Treafure or Commodities f which is the fame thing) bv importing upon them clip'd Money of the Portugal llarap. > CJippingj and clip'd Money, have befidcs this robbery of the Pnblick other great in- conveniences: As the difordering ofTrade, railing Foreign Exchange, and a general difturbance which every one feels thereby in his private Affairs. Clipping is lo gainful, and fo fecret a Robbery, that penalties cannot reftrain it, as we fee by experience. Nothing, I humbly conceive, can put a flop to Clipping., now it is grown fo univer- fal, and Men become fo skilful in it, but making it unprofitable. Nothing C 14) Nothing can make Clifping unprofitable, but making all light Money go only for its weight. This ftops Clipping in a moment, brings out all the mill'd and weighty Mo- ney, deprives us not of any part of our clip'd Money for the ufe of Trade. And brings it orderly, and by degrees, and without force into the Mint to be recoin'd. If clip^d Money be calfd in all at once, and ftop'd from paffing by weight, I fear it will itop Trade, put our Affairs all at a ftand, and introduce confufion. Wheieas, if it be permitted to pafs by its weight, till it can by degrees be Coin'd, (the ftamp fecuring its finenefs as well then as now, and the Scales determining its weight) it will ferve for the paying of great Sums as commodioufly almoft as weighty Money, and the weighty Money being then brought out will ferve for the Market Trade, and lefs Payments, and alfo to weigh the clip'd Money by. On the other fide j If clip*d Money be al- lowed to pafs current by tale, till it be ail recoin'd, one of thefe two effedts will ap- patently follow: Either that we Ihatl want Money for Trade, as the clip'd Money decreales by being Coin'd into wei^ty ^ (For very few, if any body,who get weigh- ty Money into their hands, will part with it, whilll clip'd Money, not of half the va- 05) lue is current) Or if they do, the Coiners and Clippers will pick it up, and new Coin and Clip it whereby clip' larly of that thing which is the meafure 7 of Commerce in the Country. And thus, ^ Gorn is laid to be Riftn amongll the Eng- 7 in Eirginiaj when a BufheJ of it will \ ' . fell, (27) fell, or exchange for more pounds of To. bacco5 Amongft the Www/, when it will / fell for more yards of W^w/wpowpe^/, which ) is their Money ^ And amongft the EngU(h here, when it will exchange for a greater , quantity of Silver, than it would before. 7 Etfing and fmtiing of Commodities is always ^ between feveral Commodities of diftind / worths. But no body can fay that To- ) bacco ( of the fame goodnefs ) is rifen "7 in refpeft of it felf. One Pound of \ fhe fame goodnefs will never exchange s for a Pound and a Quarter of the fame g^oodnefs. And fo it is in Silver; An Dunce of Silver will always be of equal va- lue to an. Ounce of Silver •, nor can it ever rife or fall in refpeil of it felf: An Ounce of Standard Silver can never be worth Ounce of Standard Silver 5 nor one Ounce of uhcoin'd Silver, exchange for 14 Ounce of Coin'd Silver : The ftamp cannot Ip ^uchdebafe its value. Indeed the ftamp hindring its free exportation, may make the Goldfmith (who profits by the return of Money) give or <0 or perhaps ibmetimes more (that is 5/. ild. 5/. or 5/. ^d. the Ouncej of Coin'd Silver for uncoin'd, when there is need of fend- jng Silver beyond Seas-, as there always is when the ballance of Trade will not fup- ply our wants, and pay our debts there. But (28; But much beyond this, the Goldfmi'th will never give for Bullion; fince he can make it out of Coin'd Money at a cheaper rate. Tisfaid is rifen to6 J. the Ounce, i. e. that an Ounce of uncoin'd Silver will exchange for 11 Ounce of Coin'd Silver. If any one can believe this, I will put this Ihort Cafe to him. He has of Bullion or Standard uncoin'd Silver, two round plates, each of exad fiie and weight of a Croren piece: He has befides, of the fame Bullion, a round plate of the weight and fize of a Shillings and another yet lefs, bf the exadt weight and fize 'of a Three-pence. The two great Plates being of equal weight, and finenefs, I fuppofe he will allow to be of equal value, and that the two lefs, joyn'd to either of them, make it I more worth than the other is by it felf, they having all three together ^ more Silver in them. Let us fuppofe then, one of the greater, and the two lefs plates to have received the next moment, (by Mir&cle, or by the Mil), it tnatters not how ^ the.mark or ftamp of our Crown^ our Shillings "and cur Three-pence: Can any body fay, that now they have got the ftamp , pf our Mint upon thera, they are fo fallen in value, or the other unftamp'd piece fo JRifen, that that unftamp'd piece which moment before was worth only one of i the ( 29) the other pieces, is now worth them all three? Which is to fay, that an Ounce of iincoin'd Silver is worth an Ounce and a Qiiarter of Coin'd. This is what men i"' would perfuade us,when thev fay,that Bui- Mifi ]ioj| 13 to 6 s. ^d. [^oflawful Mo- WKii ney3 the Ounce, which 1 fay is utterly impoflible. Let us confider this a little farther in an other inftance. The prefent Mill'd Croipwpiece, fay they, will not ex- change for an Once of Bullion, without the addition of a Shilling and a Tlnree-fence ■sofib of weighty Coin added to it. Coin but anotk that Crown piece into 6 s. and 3 d. and Czeoii then they fay it will buy an Ounce of eslxq^ Bullion, or elfe they give up tljeir reafoa and njeafure of railing the Money. Do oe, aj: that which is allow'd to be equivalent to of:lit3, Coining of a prefent Mill'd Crown piece others into 6 s. ^ d. (-viz.. ) call it, 75 Pence, logetlr and then alfo it mull by this Rule of raijing foppol buy an Ounce of Bullion. If this be fo, the twoki felf-fame roiU'd Crovyn peice will and will joio:. not exchange for an Ounce of Bullion. Call crcnimi it 60 pence, and it will not: The very next (»j,0E moment call it 7 5 pence, and it will. I am > ai; afraid no body can think change of dene- tiellac; mination has fucha power; fofafe Mr. Lowndes fupports thigf 1)10 firft rea- piece I fon with tbefe words, p. 68. This reafon^ > (fhiti which I humbly conceive will ofpsar irrefraga.' one f' ^ K tin C?o) bkj is grounded upon a Truth fo Apparent^ that it may well he compared to an Axiom^ even in Mathematical reafomng j to wit, that CElietifoeter t^ie intuinack balue of bep m ttjc Coin, Ijatl) been, oj iball bo l.cfs' tiian t^e pJico of »)ilb£c in Bullion, t^e Coin ^atlj anb bJill bemcltcb bobn. This I think, though it be allowed Mr. Lowndes for z's Apparent a Truth^tind as cer- tain a Maxim as he could wiih, yet ferves not at all to his purpofe of lelftning the Coin. For when the Coin, is as it ihould be, according to the Standard flet the Standard be what it will ) weighty and unclip'd, it is impolTible that the value of CoinM Silver ihould be lefs than the value or price of Uncoin'd j Becaufe, as I have fiiewn, the value and quantity of Silver are the fame : And where the quantities are equal, the values are equal j excepting only the odds that may be between Bullion that may be freely exported, and Coin'd Silver that may not; The odds whereof fcarce ever amounts to above 2 d.per Ounce, and rarely to above a penny or an half-penny. And this odds ( whatever it be ) wille- qually belong to his raifed millM Money, which cannot be exported, as it will to our prefcnt mill'd Money , which can- not be Exported; As I lhall have oc- calion to (hew more particularly here- after. I r 31) after. All this diforder, and a thoufand others, comes from light and unlawful Money being current. For then it is no wonder'thatBullion Ihould be kept up to the value of your clip'd Money ^ that is, that Bullion Ihoald.not be fold by the Ounce for lels than 6 s.<^d. when that 6 s.-^d. clip'd Money paid for it, does not Weigh above an Ounce. This inftance therefore of the prefent price of Bullion, proves nothin g but that the quantity of Silver in Money go- verns the value of it, and not the denomi- nation *, as appears when clip'd Money is brought to buy Bullion. 1 his is a fair Tryal: Silver is fet againll Silver, and by that is feen whether clip'd Money be of the fame value with wdghty of the fame de- nomination, or whether it be not the quan- quantity of Silver in it that regulates its value. I I cannot but, wonder that Mr. Lowndes^ a Man fo well skill'd in the Law, efpecially of the Mint, the Exchequer, and of our Money, Ihould all along in this Argument fpeak of clip'd Money, as if it were the lawful Money of England-^ and Ihould propofe by that (which is in effed by the Clippers Sheers) to regulate a new fort of Coin to be introduced into England, And if he will Hand to that mcafure, and lelfen the new Coin'd to the rate of Bullion fold in C 32 ) in exchange for prefent current clip'd Money, to prevent its being melted down; he muft make it yet much lighter than he propofes, and the raifing it, or to give it its due name the lelTening of it| will not ferve the turn .• For I will be bold to fay, that Bullion now in Englandi% no where to be bought by the Ounce for 6 s. d. of our prefent current clip'd Money. So that if his Rule be true, and nothing can fave the weighty Coin from melting down, but re- ducing it to the weight that clip'd Money is brought to, he miiftleflen the Money in his new Coin much more than , ^ for an Ounce of Standard Bullion will always be worth an Ounce of clip'd Money, whether that in tale amount to 6 s. d. 6 s. 6d. Ten Shillings,or any other number of Shil- lings or Pence of the nick-named clip'd Money. For a piece of Silver that was Coin'd for a Shilling, but has half the Silver clip'd off, in the Law and in propriety of fpeech is no more a Shilling,Than a piece of Wood,which was once a fealed Yard, is ftill a Yard when one half of it is broke off. Let us conCder this Maxim a little fur- ther; which out of the language of the Mint in plain Englilh, I think, amounts to thus much, That when an Ounce of Standard Bullion cofls a greater number of Pence in tale, than an Ounce of that Bullion can xsjy can be Coin'd into by the Standard of the Mint^ the Coin will he melted down, I grant it, if Bullion Ihould rife to 15 Pence the Ounce above ■t^s.id. as is now pretended ; which is to fay, that an Ounce of Bullion cannot be bought for lefs than an Ounce and a quarter of the like Silver Coined. But that, as 1 have fhew'd, is impoffible to be: And every one would be convinced of the contrary, if we had none now but lawful Money current. But 'tis no wonder if the price and value of things be confounded and uncertain, when the Mcafure it felf is loft. For we have now no lawful Silver Money current among us: And therefore cannot talk nor judge right, by our prefent uncertain clip'd Money, of the value and price of things, in reference to our lawful regular Coin, adjufted and kept to the unvarying Standard of the Mint. The price of Silver in Bullion above the value of Silver in Coin, when Clipping has not defac'd our current Cafli ( for then the odds is very rarely above a penny or two pence the Ounce) is fo far from being a caufe of melting down our Coin, that this price given above the value of the Silver in our Coin, is given only to preferve our Coin from being melted down: For no body buys Bullion at above 5 j. id, the Ounce, ( which is juft the value ) for any D other (34> Other reafon, but to avoid the crime and hazard of melting down our Coin. I think it will be agreed on all hands, that no body will melt down our Money, |3Ut for profit. Now profit can be made by melting down our Money, but only in two cafes. Firfl:, When the current Pieces of the fame denomination are unequal, and of different Weights 5 forae heavier, fome lighter: For then the Traders in Money, cull out the heavier, and melt them down v>?ith profit. This is the ordinary fault of Coinimj by the Hammer; wherein it ufu- ally fulficed, That a Bar of Silver was cut: into as many Half-crowns, or Shillings, as anfwer'd its due weight; without being very exad in making each particular piece of its due weight; whereby fome pieces came to be heavier, and fome lighter, than by the Standard they fiiould. And then the heavier pieces were cull'd out, and there was profit to be made f as one eafily perceives) in melting them down. But this caufe of melting down our Money is eafily prevented, by the exafter way of Coining by the Mill, in which each fingle piece is brought to its jufl: weight. This inequality of pieces of the fame denomi- nation, is to be found in our Money, more .thanever, fince Clipping has been In falhi- on •, (55) on: And therefore 'tis no wonder, that in this irregular State of our Money, one complaint is, that the heavy Money is melted down. But this alfo the making clip'd Money go at prefent for its Weight, (which is a fuddain reducing it to the Standard ) and then, by degrees, recoin- ing it into raill'd Money f which is the ul- titrate and more compleat reducing it to the Standard ) perfedly cures. The other cafe wherein our Money comes to be melted down, is a iofing Trade *, Or, which is the fame thing in other words, an over-great Confumption of Foreign Com- modities. Whenever the over-ballance of Foreign Trade makes it dilEcult for our Merchants to get Bills of Exchange, the Exchange prefently rifes, and the Re- turns of Money raife them in proportion to the want of money Englilh men have in any parts beyond Seas. They who thus furnilhthcm with Bills, not being able to fatisfie their CorrefiX)ndents on whom thofe Bills are drawn, with the produd of our Commodities there, muft fend Silver from hence to reimburfe them, and repay the money they have drawn out of their hands. Whilft Bullion may be had for a fmall price more than the weight of our current Calh, thcfe Exchangers generally choofe rather to buy Bullion, than rity to have paid him, in conlideration of its cheapnefs, a greater qu^tity of Silver than they Contraded for. Cacao Nuts yvere the Money of a part of America^ yvhen w.c firll came thither, Suppofe then you C44>> you had lent me laft Year 300, or fifteen- fcore Cacao Nuts, to be repaid this year; Would you be fatisfied and think your felf paid your due, if I fhould tell you, Cacao Nuts were fcarce this year, and that four- fcore were of as much value this year as an hundred the laftj and that therefore you were well and fully paid if I reftored to you only 1200 for the 1500 I borrowed ? Would you not think your felf defrauded of J of your Right,by fuch a payment ? nor would it rhake any amends for this to ju- ftice, or reparation to you, that the Pub- lick had (after your contradi:, which was made for fifteen Score) altered the denomi- nation of Score^ and applyed it to fixteen inftead of twenty. Examine it, and you will find this jult the Cafe, and the lofs proportionable in them both: That is, a real lofs of 2 o Per. Cent. And therefore a man has Right done him, if he receive ] lefs Silver than his Contradt. As to Mr. Lowndes's proofs, that Silver is now % more value than it was, I fear none of them will reach Mr. Lowndes's point. He fays P. 77 By daily experience^ nineteen penny weighty and three tenths of a penny weight of Sterling Sil- -vfr, which is jttji the weight of a Crown piecej will purchafe more Coin'd Money than five un' clif d Shillings. I wifh he had told us where this daily experience, he fpeaks of, is to be found .■ C 45) found For I dare fay nobody hathfeen fifeej. a Sum of unclifd Shillings paid for Bullion [tiispr any where this twelve months, to go no M'Wfe further back. In the next place, J wilh he had told ns hliatfc how much more than five lawful mill'd Shil- spas- lings. Bullion of the weight of a Crown icrefoiEtt piece will purchafe. If he had faid it would Wtojt purchafe fix SI illings and three pence borroK! weighty iMoney, he had proved the matter IfdefraBii in qneftion. And whoever has the weight- ymeotlt! of a Crown in Silver paid him in Mr. )rtliisto; new Coin, inlleadbf fix Shillings lattbeP-i and three Pence of ourprefent Money,has iwbich no injury done him, if it will certainly pur- chafe him fix Shillings and three Pence all ittofiffl uncli-p'd of our prefeut Money. But every it, amif one at firfl: fight perceives this to be impof-. utdtbel; fible, as 1 have already proved it. And I Thatii, have in this the concurrence of Mr. ndtkrjfe Lowndes''^ new Scheme, to prove it to be fo. herecm For P. 52 he propofes that his.S»/yer Vnue having the weight and finenefs of a prefent uoffiuf unclip'd Crown piece, fhould go for 75 ofthemr pence-, and that the prefent Shilling fhould efavsf' §0 ^0^" ' 5 psncs '■) hy which eftablifhment n^kt there will be75 pence in bisVmfe, and 93 pence three farthings in fix Shillings three Criwp pence, weighty Money of the prefent Coinj which is an undeniable confeffion, that it is as impolFible for hisSi/ver Vnite^ (having of is to b II® foillf C40 I no more Silver in ic than a prefent im- clip'd Crown) to be worth, and fo to pur- i chafe fix unclip'd Shillings and three pence, of our prefent Money, as it is for 75 pence to be worth 93 of the fame pence, or 75 to ^ > beequal to 93. If hi means by more^ that his Sterling Silver of the weight of a Crown piece will purchafe a penny, or two pence more than ' five unclip'd Shillings, which is the moft, and which is but accidental too \ What is this rife of its value to 15 pence? And what amends will Jo ( a little more or lefs) rife in value, make for \ diminiflied in weight and loft in the quantity? which is all one as to fay, that a penny, or there- jj abouts, (hall make amends for fifteen ' pence taken away. Another way to recommend his New Coin, to thofe who (hall receive it inftead of the prefent weightier Coin, he tells them, f. 77. it will pay as much debt and purchafe as much Commodities as our prefent Money, which is j heavier. What he fays of debts is true. But yet I would have it well confidered by our Englifti Gentlemen, that though Creditors will lofe 5 of their Principal and life, and f Landlords will lofe j of their Income, j yet the Debtors and Tenants will not get j it. It will be asked, Who then will get 1 it.' (47^ it? Thofe, I fay, and thofe only who have great Sums of weighty Money C whereof one fees not a piece now in Payments) hoarded up by them, will get by it. To thofe by the propofed change of our Money will be an increafe of j add- jj. ed to their Riches, paid out of the Poc- riS ketsof the reft of the Nation. For what thefe men received for Four Shillings, they will pay again for Five. This weighty Money hoarded up, Mr. Loxvr.deSf p. 105 computes at One Million and Six hundred thoufand Pounds. So that by raifing our Money one fifth, there will Three hurt- dred and twenty thoufand Pounds be given to thofe who have hoarded up our weighty Moneyi which hoarding up of Money is thought by many to have no other merit in it than the prejudicing our Trade and publick Affairs, and increafing our necef- fities, by keeping fo great a part of our Money from coming abroad, at a time when there was fo great need of it. If the Sum of unclip'd Money in the Nation, be as fbme fuppofe, much greater; then there v/ill by this contrivance of the rai- fing our Coin, be given to tbefc rich Hoarders, much above the aforefaid Sum of Three hundred and twenty thoufand Pounds of our prefent Money. No body clfe, but thefe Hoarders, can get a Far- thing I thing by this propofed change of our Coinunlefs men in debt have Plate by them, which they will Coin to pay their Debts. Thofe too, I muft confefs, will get one fifth by all the Plate of their own, which they lhallCoin and pay Debts with, valuing their Plate at Bullion : But if they fhall confider the fafhion of their Plate, what that coft when they bought it, and the falhion that new Plate will coll them, if they intend ever to have Plate again, they will find this one fifth feeming prefent profit in Coining their Plate to pay their Debts, amount to little or nothing at all. No body then bnt the Hoarders will get by this Twenty per Cent. And 1 challenge any one to (hew how any body elfe f but that little in the cafe of Plate Coin'd to pay Debts) fhall get a farthing by it. It ieems to promife fairefl to the Debtors-, but to them too it will amount to nothing. For he that takes up Money to pay his Debts, will receive this new Money, and pay it again at the fame rate he received it, juft as he does now our prefent Coin, without any profit at all. And though Commodi-' ties (as is natural) fhall be raifedin pro- portion to the leflening of the Money, no body will get by that, any more than they do now, when all things are grown dearer. Only he that is bound up by contradl to re- ceive (49) ceivc any Sum under fuch a denomination of Pounds, Shillings and Pence, will find his lofs fenfibly when he goes to buy Commo- dities, and make new Bargains. The Mar- kets and the Shops will foon convince him, that his Money, which is one fifth lighter, is alfo one fifth worfe ; when he muftpay twenty Per. Cent, more for all the Commo- dities he buys with the Money of the new Foot, than if he bought it with the prefenc Coin. • This Mr. Lowndes himlelf will not de- ny, when he calls to mind what he hirafelf, fpeaking of the inconveniencies we fulFer by our clip'd Money, fays, P. 115. Perfons before they conclude in my bargains., are ne- cejfuated firfi to fettle the price or value of the very Money they dre to receive for their Goods:, .And if it be in. clip'd or bad Monty, they fet the price of their Goods accordingly : Which I thinks has been one great canfe of raijing the price, not only of Merchandiz.es, but even of Edibles^ and other necejfaries for the Sufienance of the common People, to their great Grievance. That every one who receives Money after the raifing our Money, on Contrails made be- fore the change, muftlofe twenty per in all he fhall buy,is Demonftration, by Mr. Lowndes's own Scheme. Mr. Lowndes pro- pofes that there (hould be Shillings Coin'd upon the new Foot 5 lighter than our pre- E lent (50) fent Shillings, which flionld go for 12 pence apiece^and that the unclipMShillings of the prefentCoin fhould go for fifteen pence a- piece, and the Crown for feventy five pence. A man who has a Debt^of an hundred Pounds owing him, upon Bond or Leafe, receives it in thefe new Shillings, inftead of lawful Money of the prefent Standard: He goes to Market with twenty Shillings in one Pocket of this newMoney, which are valued at 240 pence; and in the o- ther Pocket with four millM Crown pieces, (or 20 mill'd Shillings of the prefent Coin) which are valued at three hundred pence, which is one fifth more: 'tis Demonftration then that he lofes one fifth, or 20 per Cent. in all that he buys, by the receipt of this new Money,for the prefentCoin,which was his duej unlefs thofe he deals with will take four for five pence, or four fliillings for five (hillings. He buys, for example, a quart of Oyl for fifteen pence: Ifhe pay for it with the old Money in one Pocket, one Shilling will doit-, if with the new Money in the other, he muft add three pence to it, or a quarter of another Shilling; And fo of. all the reft that he pays for, with either the old Money which he fhould have receiv- ed his Debts in, or with the new, which he was forced to receive for it. Thus far it is Demonftration, he lofes Twenty per Cent. (50 Cent, by receiving his Debt in a new Mo- ney thus raiied, when he ufes it to buy a- ny thing. But to maKe him amends, Mr. Lom/des teils him, Silver is now dearer j and all things confeq»ently will be bought cheaper twenty per Cent, I am fure there is no Demonftration of that, nor appea- ranee of it yet; And if I may credit Houfekeepers and lubftantial Tradefmen, all forts of Provifions and Commodities are lately rifen excefllvely j and notwith- Handing the fcarcity of Silver, begin to come up to the true value of our clip'd |Vloney, every one felling their Commodi- ties fo as to make themfelves amends in. the number of light pieces for what they want in weight- A Creditor ought to think the new light Money equivalent to the prefent heavier, becaufe it will buy as much Commodities. But what if it Ihould fail, as 'tis ten to one but it will, what fecurity has he for it? He is told fo, and he muft be fatisfied. The Salt, Wine, Oyl, Silk, Naval Scores, and all Foreign Commodities, will none of them be fold us by Foreigners for a lefs quantity of Silver than before, becaufe we have given the name of more Pence to it, is I think De- monftration. All our Names(if they are any more to us) are to them but bare founds; And our Coin,as theirs to us, but meer Bui- E 2 lion, 1 i ^ (52 ) lion, valued only by its weight. And a Suede will no more fell you his Hemp and Pitch, or a Spaniard his Oyl, for lefs Silvery becaufe you tell him Silver is fcarcer now in England^ and therefore rifen in value one fifth; than a Tradefman of London will fell his Commodity cheaper to the Ijle of Many becaufe they are grown poorer, and Money is fcarce there. All ForeignCommodities mult be (hut out of the number of thofe that will fall, td comply with our raifing our Money. Corn alfo, 'tis evident, does not rife or fall, by the differences of more or lefs plenty of Money, but by the plenty and fcarcity that God gives. For our Money, in appearance remaining the fame, the Price of Corn is double one year to what it was the prece- dent-, and therefore we muft certainly make account, that fince the Money is one fifth lighter, it will buy one fifth lefs Corn Commmibus annis. And this being the great expence of the Poor, that takes up alraoft all their Earnings; if Corn be Com- mmihus annis fold for one fifth more Mo- ney in Tale than before the change of our Money, they too muft have one fifth more inTale of the new Money for their Wages, than they have now; and the Day-labou- rer muft have, not only twelve, but fif- teen pence of the new Money a day, which is ( 55 ) is the prefent Shilling, that he has now, or elfe he cannot live. So that all Fo- reign Commodities, with Corn and La- hour, keeping up their value to the quan- tity of Silver, they fell for now 5 and not complying in the fall of their real price with, the nominal raifing of our Money 5 there is not much left wherein Landlords and Crediors are to expedl the recompenfe of 20 per Cent, abatement of price in Com- •modities to make up their lofs in the light- nefs of our Money they are paid their Rents and Debts in. 'Twouid be eafie to Ihew the fame thing concerning our other native Commodities, and make it clear, that we have no reafon to expedl they Ihould abate of their prefent price, any more than Corn and Labour. But this is enough, and any one, who has a mind to it, may trace the reft at his leifure. And thus I fear the hopes of cheaper Penny-worths, which might beguile fome Men into a belief, that Landlords and Creditors would receive no lefs by the pro- pofed new Money, is quite vanilhed. But if the promife of better Penny-worths and a fall of all Commodities Twenty per Cent. Ihould hold true, this would not at all relieve Creditors and Landlords, and fet them on equal terms with their Neigh- hours: Becaufe the cheap Penny-worths E 3 will (54) will not be for them alone; but every bo- dy elfe, as well as they, will fhare in that advantage } fo that their Silver being di- miniflied one fifth in their Rents and Debts, which are paid them, they would ftill be Twenty per Cent, greater lolers than their unhoarding Neighbours, and Forty per Cent, greater lofers than the Hoarders of Money; Who will certainly get Twenty per Cent, in the Money, whatever hap- pens in the price of things; And Twenty per Cent, more in the cheapneft of Com- modities, if that promifed recompencebe made good to Creditors and Landlords. For the Hoarders of Money (if the price of things falls) will buy as cheap as they. So that what ever is faid of the cheapnefs of Commodiiies,'cis Demonftration,) whether that proves true or no) T hat Creditors, and Landlords, and all thofe who are to receive Money upon Bargains made Before the propofed change ofonrCoin, will un- avoidably lofe Twenty per Cerit. " One thing Mr. Lowndes fays in this Pa- ragraph very remarkable, which ( thinic decides the Queftion. His words f>. 78. are thefe, That if the -value of the Silver in the Coins (by m extrih/ick denomination^ he rai- fed above the value or market price of the fame Silver to ©UlUon, the Subjebi would be proportionably injured and defrauded., C 55 ) as they were formerly in the cafe of hafe Mo- neys coin'd by fublique Authority. It remains therefore only to Ihew, that the Market- price of Standard Bullion is not one fifth above our Coin that is to be raifed, and then we have Mr. Lowndes of our fide too againft its raifing. I think it is a- bundantly proved already, that Standard Bullion neither is, nor can be worth one fifth more than our Lawful weighty Mo- ney: And if it be not, by Mr. Lowndes's confeffion, there is no need of raifing our prefent legal mill'd Money to that degree , and 'tis only our clip"'d Money that wants amendment: And when that is recoin'd and reduced all to mill'd and lawful Mo- ney, that then too will have no need of raifing. This I lhall now prove out of Mr, Lowndes's own words here. Mr. Lowndes in the forecited words com- 'pares 4he value of Silver in our Cohj to the value of the fame Silver rthuc'h tO ©uUlOtl ? which he fuppofing to be as four to five, makes that the meafure of the raifing our Money. If this be the difference of Value between Silver in Bullion, and Silver in Coin j And it be true, that four Ounces of Standard Bullion be worth five Ounces of the fame Silver CoinM ^ Or, which is the fame thing, that Bullion will fell by the Ounce for Six Shillings and five Pence un- E 4 clip'd (5«) dip'd Money ^ 1 will take the boidnefs to advife His Majefty to buy, or to bor- row any where fo much bullion, or rather than be without it, melt down fo much Plate, as is equal in weight to twelve hundred pounds Sterling of our prefent mill'd Money. This let him fell for mill'd Money And according to onr Authors Rule, it will yield fifteen hundred pounds. Let that fifteen hundred pounds be reduc'd into Bullion, and fold again, nnd it will produce eighteen hundred anjl Sixty Pounds: Which i8<5o/. of weighty Money being reduced to Bullion, will ftill produce one fiffh more in weight of Sil- ver, being fold for weighty Money. And thus His Majefty may get at leaft Three hundred and twenty thoufand Pounds by felling of Bullion for weighty Money, and melting that down into Bullion, asfaft as he receives it ^ till he has brought into hi? hands the Million and Six hundred thou- fand Pounds, vvhich Mr. Lowndes computes there is of weighty Money left in Eng- land. J doiibt not but every one who reads it, yvill think this a very ridiculous Proppf}- tion. But he muft think it ridiculous for no opher reafop, 'but becaufe He fees 'tis i.mpoffibl9, that Bullion fhouldfell for one fifth above its weight of the fame Silver Coin'd, V (57) Coin'd; That is, that an Ounce of Stands ard Silver fhould fell for fix Ihillings five pence of our prefent weighty Money. For if it will, 'tis no ridiculous thing that the King Ihould melt down, and make that pro.fit of his Money. If our Author's Rule, (p. 78, where he fays, That the only jufi and reafojiahle Foot Hfon which the Coins fionld be current^ is the •very price of the Silver thereof^ in cafe it be molten in the fame place where Coins are made current) be to be obferved; Our Money is to be railed but an half penny in five Ihil- lings J for that was the ordinary odds in the price between Bullion and Coin'd Sil- yer, before Clipping had deprived us, ip Commerce, of all our mill'd and weighty Money. And Silver in Standard Bullipn would not be in value one jot above the fame Silver in Coin, if clip'd Money were not current by Tale, and Coin'd Silver (as Mr. Lowndes propofes, p. 73) as well as ) Bullion, had the liberty of Exportation. ? For when we have no clip'd Money, but all our current Coin is weight, according to the Standard, all the odds of value that Silver in Bullion has to Silver In Coin, is only owing to the Prohibition of its Exportation in Money *, And never rifes, nor can rife, above what the Goldfmith |hall eftimate the rifque and trouble of ■ ' melting • . •• - •'"I J' 'c^ir melting it down 5 which is fo little, that the Importers of Silver could never raife it to above an half penny an Ounce, bat ■at fuch times as the Eaft-India Company, t)r fome Foreign Sale, calling for a great quantity of Silver at a time, made the Goldfrnith fcramble for it; and fa the Im- 1 porters of Bullion raife its price upon j them, according to the prefent need of ' great quantkres of Silver, which every Goldfrnith feager to ingrofs to himfelf as 'touch as he could) was content to pay high for, ratlier than go withont .• His prefent gains froth fhofe whom he furnilh'd, and "Whom otherwife he could not furnilh, ma- king him-amends. ^ The natural vaflue then between Silver in Bullion, and in Coiti, is (I fay) every where equal ^ bating the citarge of Coin- age, which gifes the advantage to the lide of the Coin. The ordinary odds here in England^ between Silver in Bullion, and the fame in our Coin, is by reafon that the Stamp hinders its free Exportation about an half penny in the Crown. The acci- dental difference, by reafon of fuddain occalions, is fometimes (but rarely) two pence in five Ihillings, or foraewhat more in great urgencies. And fmce the ordi- nary rate of things is to betaken as 'the meafurc of their price, and Mr. Lomdes tells (59) tht tells us, p. 78. That if the value of the raift Silver in the Coins jhould be raifed above the c, 1® value^ or Market Price^ of the fame Silver apanj, reduced to Bullion^ the Subjebi would be fro- 1 gitji portionably injured and defrauded ^ 1 leave idttli him to make the Inference, what will be liiilii. the confequence in England^ if our Coin opo] be i-aifed here one fifth, or twenty per ltd i Cent. iiero Mr. Lowndes fays farther, p. 80. That mftlfi Silver has a price. 1 anfwer Silver to Silver can have no other price, but quan- pjjfe tity for quantity. If there be any other ' • difference in value, it is or can be nothing jjijij, but one of thefe two : Firft, either the • value of the labour imploy'd about one parcel of Silver more than another, makes a difference in their price ; and thus fafh- )fCoi P^3te fells for more than its weight of the fame Silver ^ and in Countries where the Owners pay for the Coinage, jji Silver in Coin is more worth than its jjjjjjj, weight in Bullion ; but here, where the J j))j. Publick pays the Coinage, they are of very near equal value, when there is no need fjjjjji. of Exportation: For then there is no more odds than the trouble of carrying the Bui- lion to the Mint, and fetching again, is jjI worth 5 Or the charge of refining fo much jj 'jjj of it, as will bring it to Standard, if it be worfe than Standard. i (6o) Or Secondly, feme Priviiedge belong- ingtoone parcel of Silver which is denied to another, viz.. Here in England a liberty of Exportation allowed to Silver in Bui- lion , deny'd to Silver Stamp'd. This, when there is need of Exportation of Sil- ver, gives forae fmall advantage of value to uncoin'd Silver here, above Coin'd ; but that is ordinarily very inconfiderable ; and can never reach to one fifth, nor half one fifth, as has been already fliewn. And this 1 think will anfwer all that is faid •about the price of Silver in that place. • "Tis true what Mr. Lowndes fays in the next words, p. 8i, That five jhiSings coin'd jipon the Foot profos'd, will aBually contain more real and intrinfick value of Silver hy a great deaf than is in the current Money now commonly applied to the payment of the faid Rents., Revenues and Debts, But will he hence conclude, becaufe there is now loft in thofe Rents, Revenues and Debts, a great deal more than twenty per Cent, under the prefent irregularity of our Coin, and the Robbery in clipM Money, without any the Icafl: neglcd or raifcarriage in the Own- er that inticled him to that lofs, that therefore it is juft that the lofs of Twenty per Cent, be eftablifii'd on him by Law for the future, in the reforming of cur Coin ? Air- C<50 Mr.ho-atvAcs^ fecond reafon for lelTening onr Coin we have p. 82. in thefe words, Tht value of the Silver in the Coin ought to he raifed^ to encourage the bringing oj Bullion to the Mint to be Coin d. This raifing of Money is, in effeft, as has been feen, no- thing but giving a denomination of more pence to the fame quantity of Silver, viz.. \ That the fame quantity of Silver Ihall here- after be called feventy five pence, which is now call'd but fixty pence. For that is all is done: As is manifell, when a Crown piece which now goes but for fixty pence, fliall be made to go for feventy five pence j for 'tis plain, it contains nothing of Sil- ver, or worth in it, more than it did be- fore. Let us fuppofe, that all our Silver Coin now in England were Six pences,ShiU lings. Half-crowns and Crowns, all milled Money, full weight according to the prefent Standard; And that it fliould be order'd, that for the future, the Crown piece in- ftead of going for fixty pence, Ihould go for leventy five pence, and fo proportion- ably of all th# other pieces; I ask then, how fuch a change of denomination fiiall bring Bullion to the Mint to be Coin'd, and from whence ? 1 fuppofe this change of names, or afcribing to it more imaginary parts of any denomination, has no Charms in it to bring Bullion to the Mint to be Coin'd; r ■i,)' (62) Coin'd: For whether you call the piece Coin'd twelve pence, or hfeeen pence, lixty or feventy five, a Crown or a Scepter^ it will buy no more Silk, Salt or Bread than it would before. That therefore cannot tempt people to bring it to the Mint. And if it will pay more Debt, that is perfedt defrauding, and ought not to be permitted. Next, I ask, from whence lhall this raifing fetch it ? For Bullion can- not be brought hither to ftay here, whilft the Ballanceof our Trade requires all the Bullion we bring in, to be Exported again, and more Silver out of our former Stock with it, to anfwer our exigences beyond Seas. And whilft it is fo, the Goldfmiths and Returners of Money will give more for Bullion to Export, than the Mint can give for it to Coin-, and fo none of that will come to the Mint. But fays our Au- thor, p. 83. y4n Half-penny an Ounce profit^ which will be in the propos'd Coin^ above the prefent price of Sterling Bullion^ will be an encouragement to thofe who have Englifh Plate^ to bring it in to be Coin'd. I tloubt whether there will be any fuch profit -, for I imagine that Standard Bullion cannot now be bought per Ounce for fix fiiillings and five pence of our clip'd running Calh, which is the Meafure whereby Mr. Lowndes de- termines of the price of Sterling Silver. But But taking this Half-penny an Ounce pro- fit for granted, it will not bring to the Mtnt any Plate, whofe Fafhion is valued by the Owner at an Half-penny per Ounce j and how much then it is like to bring to the Mint, is eafie to guefs. The true and only good reafon that brings Bullion to the Mint to be Coin'd, / is the fame that brings it to England to ftay 7 there, viz.. The gain we make by an over- S ballance ofTrade, When ourMerchants car- i ry Commodities abroad, to a greater value ,? than thofe they bring home, the overplus , comes to them in' Foreign Coin or Bullion, V which will ftay here, when we gain by the / Ballance of our whole Trade. For then we t_ can have no Debts beyond Sea to be paid ( with it •• In this thriving pofture of our (, Trade, thofe to whofe lhare this Bullion I falls, not having any ufe of it whilft it is in Bullion, choofe to carry it to the Mine to have it Coin'd there, whereby it is of more ufe to them for, all the bufinefs of Silver in Trade, or purchafingLand ^ the Mint having afcertained the weight and finenefs of it : So that on any occafion, every one is ready to take it at its known value, without any fcruplc^ a convent- ence that is wanting in Bullion; But when our Trade runs on the other fide, and our exported Commodities will not pay for thofe («4) / thofe Foreign ones weconfunie, onr Trea- fure muit go •, and then it is in vain to be- flow the labour of Coining on Bullion that muft be Exported again. To what purpofe is it to make it pafs through our Mint, when it will away P The lefs pains and charge it coftsus, the better. His third reafon P. 83 is, that this raifing our Coin by making it moic in tale, mil make it more commetifHrate to the general needtherhpf^ and thereby hinder the increafe of haz.ardoMs Paper-credit^ and the incon- veniency of Bartering, Juftasthe Boy cut his Leather into five , Qiiarters (as he call'd them) to cover his Ball, when cut into four Qiiarters it fell fhort: But after all his pains, as much of his Ball lay bare as before. If the quantity of Coin'd Silver employ'd in England falls Ihort, the arbitrary denomination of a greater number of Pence given to it, or which is all one, to the feveral Coin'd pieces of it, will make it commenfurate to the fize of our Trade, or the greatnefs of our occafions. This is as certain, as that if the quantity of a Board which is to Hop a Leak of a Ship fifteen Inches fquare, be but twelve laches fquare, it will not be made to do it,by being meafured by a Foot that is divided into fifteen Inches inftead of I twelve, and fo having a larger tale or. number (^5) tea. of Inches in denomination given to it. be- This indeed would be a convincing, llion Reafon, if founds would give weight to ' wk Silver, and the noife of a greater number ii ODt of pence fkfs in quantity proportionably paic! as they are more in number) were a large » y^oney^ which our Author P. 84 It tliis fays our occafions require, and which he by ntalt, an increafe of the tale of pence hopes to pro- jfm. vide. But that Miftake is very vifible, and laeafe ftall be further fliewn in the bufinefs of Ecoa. Bartering. The ncccflity of Truft and Bartering is ito6« one of the many inconvcniencies Ipringing vet i from the want of Money. This inconve- itiel A nience, the multiplying arbitrary denomi- aocbol nations, will no more fupply, nor any ways mtitf make our fcarcity of Coin commenfurate to »yft^ fuch like divifions being only extrinficai deiio* minations, are every, where perfy^y ar- bitrary. For, here in thefe might as well have been twelve Shillings in a Pen- ny, as twelve Pence in a Shilling, i. e. the . deno- (Vi) denomination of the lefs piece might have been a Shilling, ahd of the biggei' a penny. Again, the Shilling might have been Coin'd ten times as big as the Penny, and the Grown ten times as big as the Shilling; whereby the Shilling would have bad but ten Pence in it, and the Crown an hundred. But this,however ordered,alters not one jot the value of the Ounce of Silver inrefped of other things, any more than it does its weight. This raifing being but glvlrlg of names at pleafure to alieey. If the advantage of making our Money more proportionate to our Trade, and other neceffities, be to govern its pro- pofed every one will cry oilt to Mr. Lmndes^ If your way will do what you fay, the raifing it one half will be nauch better than one fifth, and therefore pray jet an Half-crown be raifed to a Grown, and a Six-pence to a Shilling. If Equity, andthe conlideration of the Sub- jefts Property ought to govern in the cafe, you mull aot raife our raill'd Crown to a- bove Five Shillings and Four Pence. If it here be faid to me, that I do then allow.that our Money may be raifed one thirtieth, i. e. that the Crown piece Ihould be raifed to Five Shillings and two Pence, and fo proportionably of the other fpecics of our Coin;. I anfwer, he thaC infers fo, makes his Inference a little too quick. But let us for once allow the ordinary price (5f Standard Silver to be Five Shil- lings Four Fence the Ounce, to be paid for in weighty Coin ffor that muft always be remembredjwhen we talk of the rate ofBul- lion) and that the rate of Bullion is the jml ineafure of railing our Money. This I I fay is no rcafon for the raifing our mill'd Crown now to Five Shillings Four Pence, and recoining all our clipM Money upon that Foot; unlefs we intend, as foon as that is done, to new raife, and Coin it a- gain. For whilft our Trade and Affairs abroad require the exportation of Silver, and the exportation of our Coin'd Silver is prohibited, and made penal by our Law, Standard Bullion will always be fold here for a little more than its weight of Coin'd Silver. So that if we fhall indeavour to equal our weighty Coin'd Silver to Stan- dard Bullion, by raifing it, whilft there is a neceflity of the exportation of Silver, we ftiall do no otherwife than a Child, who runs to overtake and get up to the top of his fhadow, which ftill advances at the fame rate that he does. The privi- ledg that Bullion has, to be exported free- ly, will give it a little advance in price a- bove our Coin, let the Denomination of that be raifed or fallen as you pleafe, whilft there is need of its Exportation, and the Exportation of our Coin is prohibited by Law. But this advance will be but little, and will always keep within the bounds which the rifque and trouble of melting down our Coin Ihall fet to it in the eiti- mate of the Exporter. He that will ra- ther venture to throw an Hundred Pound into (ll) into his Melting-pot, when no body feeJ him, and reduce it to Bullion, than give an Hundred and Five Pounds for the fame weight of the like Bullion, will never give Five Shillings and Five Pence of rnill'd Mo- ney for an Ounce of Standard Bullion *, nor buy at that price, what he can have near Five per Cm. cheaper, without any rifque, if he will not accufe himfelf. And 1 think it may be concluded, that very few, who have Furnaces, and other convenien- cies ready for melting Silver, will give One per Cent, for Standard Bullion, which IS under Five Shillings and Three Pence per Ounce, who can only for the trouble of melting it, reduce our Coin to as good Bullion. The odds of the price in Bullion to Coin on this account (which is the only one, where the Coin is kept to the Standard) can never be a reafon for railing our Coia to preferve it from melting down: Becaufe this price above its weight is given for Bullion, only to avoid melting down our Coin \ and fo this difference of price be- tween Standard Bullion and our Coin, can be no caufe of its melting down. Thefe three Rcafons which 1 have exa- min'd, contain the great advantages, which our Author fuppofes the propos'd railing of our Coin will produce. And therefore I have (78) I have dwelt longer upon them.' His re- maining fix Reafons being of lefs momtn'", and offering molt of them, but fome cir- curaffantial conveniendes, as to the com- putation of our Money, S-'c- I lhall more briefly pafs over. Only before I proceed to them, I lhall here fet down the different value of our Money, colleded from our Authors Hiftory of tire feveral changes of our Coin, fince Edward the Firft's Reign, quite down to this prefent time. A curi- ous Hiftory indeed, for which I think my felf and the World indebted to Mr, Eowndes^s great Learning in this fort of knowledg, and bis great exadnefs in re- lating the particulars. Ilhall remark on- | ly the quantity of Silver was in a Shilling ' in each of thoft Changes; that lb the Rea- der may at firft fight, without 'farther trouble, compare the lelTening, or Increafe oftbe quantity of Silver upon every change. For in propriety of fpeech, the- adding to the quantity of Silver in our Coin, is the trneiraifing of its value ; and the'diminiih- ing Che quantity of Silver in it, is the fink- ing of its value 5" however they come to be tranfpos'd 'and ufed in the quite contrary fenfe. , ■ ' - ' . If my Calculations,from the Weight and Finenefs I find fet down in Mr. Lottnde's'i ifr, Extrad out of the Indentures of the Mint, have 1 c 79) have hot mifled me, the quantity of Silver to a Grain, which was in a Shilling in eve- ry Change of our Money, isfetdownin the following Table. One Shilling contain'd of Fine Silver Grains. 28 Edw. I 264 18 Edw, 3 236 27 ■Edw, 3 ' 213 9 Hen. 5 175 1 Hftn. 6 142 4 Hen. 6 176 49 Hen. 6 142 I Hen. 8 ii8j 34 Hen. 8 100 ] 36- Hen. 8 60 j 37 Hen. 8 ' 1 401 3 Edw, 6 40 1 5 Edw. 6 20 d Edw. 6 88 i 2 Eliz. 43 Eliz. i 86 f And fo it has reraaiti'd from the 43 of Elizabeth to thiadav. Mr. Lorendei'i 69 Air. Lowndes having given us the Fine-- nefs of the Standard Silver in every Reign,. and C8o) and the number of pieces itwasCoin'd in- to, doles this Hiftory with words to this purpofe, p. 56. By this dednn:ion it doth evi- dtntly appear^ that it hath been a Policy con- fiantly pra5lifed in the Mints of England, to raife the value of the Coin in its extrinfcl^ Denomination from time to time^ as any exi- gence or occafion required^ and more efpeciatly to entourage the bringing of Bullion into the Realm to be Coind. This indeed, is round- ly to conclude for his Hypothefis. But I could wi(h,that from the Hiftpries of thofe Times, wherein the feveral changes were made , he had ILcw'd us the Exigences and Occafions that produced the raifing of the Coin, and what elFeds it had. If I miftake not, Henry the Sths feveral raiflngs of our Co in, brought little increafe of Silver into England. As the feveral Species of our Coin leHen'd in their re- fpedive quantities of Silver 5 fo theTrea- fure of the Realm decrealed too : And he that found the Kingdom rich, did not, as I remember, by all his raifings our Coin, leave it fo. Another thing, (that from this Hiftory J makes me fufped ^hat the railing the De- nomination was never found effedively to draw Silver into England., is the lowering the Denomination, or adding more Silver to the feveral Species of our Coin, as in Hen. (8i) Hen. VI's time, the Shilling was incrcaled from One Hundred Forty Two Grains of Silver, to One Hundred Seventy Six. And in the Cth of Edw, VI, in whofe time railing the Denomination feems to have been tried to the utmoft, when a Shilling was brought to Twenty Grains of Silver. And the great alteration that was then quickly made on the other hand, from Twenty to Eighty Grains at one leap, feeras to Ihew that this lelTening the Silver in our Coin, had proved highly prejudicial: For this is a greater change in finking of the Denomi- nation in proportion, than ever was made at once in raifin^ it; A Shilling being made four Times weightier in Silver in the than it was in the ^th year of Edxs>. VI. bis Reign. Kingdoms are feldora found weary of the Riches they have, or averfe to the in- creafe of their Treafure. If therefore the raifing the Denomination did in reality bring Silver into the Realm, it cannot be thought that they would at any time fink the Denomination, which by the Rule of contraries (hould be at leaR fufpeded to drive, or keep it out. Since therefore we are not from matter of Fad informed, what were the true Mo- tives that caufed thofe feveral changes in the Coin 5 May we not with Reafon fu- G fpeft. (82) fpedt, that they were owing to that Policy of the Mint, fet down by our Author, p. 83. in thefe words, that the fropofed ad- vance is agreeable to the Policy that in paj} yiges hath b en praBifed^ not only in oar Mint\ hat in the AUnts of all Politic^ Governments namely^ to raife the value of Silver in the Coin to pjomote tl)e toojfe of t^e Sl^int ? As 1 remember, fuitabie to this Policy of the Mint J there w is, fome two years lince, a' complaint of a worthy Gentleman, not ig- norant of ir, tfac the Mill in the Mint Hood ftill ^ And therefore th jre was a Pro- pofal olFer'd for bringing Grill: to the Mill. The bafinefs of Money, as in all Tinles, even in this our quick-lighted Age, hath been thought a Myltery : Thofe imployM' in the Mint muft, by their places, be fnp- pofed to penetrate decpeft into it. .Tis no impolTible thing then to imagine, that ' it was not hard, in the Ignorance of pafir' Ages, whenUM'ohey was little, and Skill in the Turns of Trade lefs, for thofe- verfed in the Buiinefs and Policy of the ■ Mint,' to perfwade a Prince, efpecially if Money were fcarce, that the Fault was'in ' the Standard of the Mint, and that the way to increafe the Plenty of Money, was "' tQraife (a well founding Word) the Va- ■ Itioof the Coin. This could mot but be' ... i' O wil-, my willingly enough hearkened to; when, be- lides the Hopes of drawing an Increafe of Silver into the Realm, it brought prefent Gain by the Part which the King got of ! the Money, which was hereupon all coin- J ed anew, and the Mint Officers loft no- thing, Jince it promoted the Work, of the Mint. This Opinion Mr. Lovonda hirafelf gives fufficicnt ground fori-in his Book, parti- , cularly p. 29. where wef read thefe Words, jilthoHgh theformerDebafements of the Coins by • , public^, Authority^ efpedally thofe in the Reign of King Henry K/II. and King Edward KI. might be projeBed for the Profit of the Crown^ ' ' and the Projectors might meafure that Profit by the exceffive Quantities of Allay , that vpere mixed with the Silver and the Gold ( and let me add, or by the Qiiantity of Silver lef- fenedineach Species, which is the fame" thing ) And though this was enterprifed by a Prince, who could fir etch his Prerogative very far upon his 'People ; and was done in Times when the Nation had very little Commerce, In- : land or. Foreign, to be injur d and prejudi- <' ced thereby ; yet Experience prefently fhewed., , that the ProjeClors were.mifiaken, and that it was abfolutely necejfary to have the bafeMoney reformed.' This at leaft they were not mi- ftaken in, that they brought Work to the Mint, and aTart of the Money coined to G 2 the (84). the Cr of Pknty of Money, than perhaps any other Country can Ihew; I leenoreafon to think, that a little bigger or lefs Size of the pieces coined, is of any moment one way or t'other. The Species of Money in any Country, of whaifoever Sizes, fit for coining, if their Proportions to one another be fuited to Aritbmetick and Cal- culations, in whole Numbers, and the Ways of Account in that Country adap^ ted to fmall Payments, and carefuUy kept to their juft Weight and Finenpfs, can have no Harm in them. The Harm comes by the change, which unreafonably and unjuftly gives away and transfers Men's ) Properties, diforders Trade, puzzeis Ac- counts, and needs a new Arithmetick to call up Reckonings, and keep Accounts in; befides a thoufand other Inconveoiencies; notto mention the Charge of recoiningthe Money. For this may be depended on, that if our Money be raifed, as is propo- fed, it will inforce the recoining of all our Money, both old and new (except the new Shillings) to avoid the terrible Difii- culty and Confufion there will be in keep- ing Accounts in Pounds, Shillings ^ and Pence ( as they mnft be J when the Species of our Money are fo ordered, as not to anfwer thofe Denominations irt round - Numbers. G 3 This r86) This Confideration leads me to Mr. Lowndes fifth and fixth Reafons, p. 85. wherein he recommends the railing our Money in the Proportion propofed, for its Convenience, to our accounting by Pounds^ Shilling's^ and Pence. And for obviating Perplexity among the common People, he pyopofes the prefent weigthy Crown to go at fix Shillings three Pence ^ and the new Scepter ox Vnite to be coined of the feme Weight, to go at the fame rate; and Half- crowns Halfjcepters^ov Half-mites ^ of the Weight of the prefent 'Half-erown^ to go for two Shillings feven Pence Half-penny : By no Number of which Pieces can there be made an even Pound Sterling.^ or any Num- ber of even Shillings under a Pound; but they always fall into Fractions of Pounds and Shillingsmay be feen by this follow- ing Table. I \ Crown or Scepter piece I. s. d. 1 I ^13 2 Crown pieces' 3 Crown pieces 4 Crown pieces il(> 18 9 I Half-crown piece 3 Half-crown pieces 5 Half-crown pieces 7 Halfrcrowns, The (S?) ■ The prefent Shillwg^ and new Ttfioon going for. 15. Pence, no Number of them make any Number of even Shillings, but five Shillings^ ten Shillings^ fifteen Shillings^ and tmnty Shillings; but in all the relf, they always fall intb Fradlions. . The like may be faid of the prefent Six^ pjsKces^ and future half going for Seven Pence Half-fenny 5 the quarter Te- fivons^ which are,to go for three pence three farthings jand the Grofs andG'?:o 5 if you would not have Trade difturb'd, and Peo- pie more difeafed with new Money, which they cannot tell, nor keep Accounts in, than with light and clipp'd Money, which they are cheated with. And what a Charge the new coining of all our Money will be to the Nation, I have computed in anothef place. *That I think is of feme Confidera- tion in our prcfent Circamftances, though the Confufion that this new raifed Money, I fear, is like to introduce •, and the want of Money, and ftop of Trade, when the clipp'd is called in, and the weighty is to be recoin'd ^ be of much greater. * ?Vi4. ftortpbfemtionsitxiaPafer cntUukd,F9r irmraiini co'wwit &c. p. 8. m (89) His fourth^ Eighth^ and Ninth Reafons, f. 84. and 86. are taken from the faving our prefent millM Money from being cut and recoin'd. The End I confcfs to be good : 'Tis very reafonable, that fo much excellent Coin, as good as ever was in the World, ihould not be deftroyed. But there is, I think, a furer and eafiec . way topreferve k, than.what Mr. Loxwdet propofes. 'Tis paft doubt, it will be in no danger of recoining, if our Money be kept upon the prefent Foot: But if it be raifed, as Mr. Lowndes propofes, all the prefent Eiill'd Money will h^ in danger, and the Difficulty of countingit upon the new pro- , pofed Foot will inforce it to be recoin'd into new pieces of Crowns, Half-crowns, Shillings, and Six-pences, that may paft for the fame Numl^r of Pence the pre- ' fent do, vif.. 60. 30. 12. and 6. as I have above ffiewn. He fays in his fonrth Reafon, thatj/piecw, having the fame Bigr nefs^ (hould have different yalms^ it might diffcult for the common Peofle ( efpecialLythofe not skill'd in Aritbmetick) to compute how mam I ny of one kind will be equal to he Summ of ano^ ther. Such Difficultiesjand Confufion, in ! counting Money, I agree with him, ought carefully to be avoided. And there- fore, fnce if pieces havirfg the fame Btgffff and Stamp, which the People are act ^uained _ C 90 }' quainted with,' fhall have new Values diffe- vent from thioie whichPedple are accuftom- ed tojandthefenewValuOT (hall inhJumbers 6f Pence not anfwer our way of accounting by Founds and Shillings •, it vkll be difficult for the common People' ( efpeciaHy'thofe not sktll'd in Arithmetick)to compute hoxv many of any one kind will mak^'dny Swnm they are to pay or re- ieive-^ Efpecially when the Numbers of any one kind of pieces will be brought in- to fo few even Summsbf and Shil- ings. And thus Mr. Lowdes's Argument here turns upon himfelf, and is againft raillhg oar Coin, to the Value propofed by him, from the Confufion it will pror- duce. His 8/^. Reafon , p. 86. we have in thefe Words \ It U difficult to conceive hovt any Defign of amending the clipp'dMoney^ can he compajfed zvithout raifin^ the f^alue of the Silver remaining in them^ hecaufe of the great Deficiency of the Silver clipped away ,( which upon recoining) mufi neceffiarily be defraid and born one way or other. 'Tisnb Dffieulty to conceive., clipp'd Money, being not lawful Money, Ihould be prohibited to pafs for more than its Weight. Next, it is «o Difficulty to con- eeive., that clipp'd Money, palTing for no more than its Weight, and fo being in the jftate of Standard BullionJi which cannot be ex- (90 exported, fliould be brought to the Mint, and there exchang'd for weighty Money. By this way, it i$ no DijpcHlcy to conceive how the amending the clipped Money may be pompajfed^hecaufe this way the Deficiency of the Silver clipp'^d away^will certainly be defraid and jborn one way or other. And thus I have gone over all Mr. Lowndes's Reafons for raifing our Coin : wherein,though I feem to differ from him, yet I flatter my felf, it is not altogether fo much as at firft fight may appear; fihceby what I find in another Part of his Book, I have reafon to judge he is a great deal of ,my Mind. For he hz%five very good Argu- VCt^nX-S^ox continuing the prefent Standard of Finenefsj each of which is as ftrong for continuing alio the prefent Standard of Weight-, i.e. continuing a Penny of the fame Weight of Standard Silver, which at prefent it has. He that has a mind to be iatisfied of this, may read Mr. Lowndests firft five Reafons for continuing the prefent Standard of Finenefs, which he will find in his 29,30,31,32 pages of his Report. And when Mr. Lowndes himfelf has again confidered what there is of Weight in them, and how far it reaches, he will at leaft not think it ftrange if they appear to me and others, good Arguments againft putting lefs Silver into our Coin of the (92) fame Denominations, let that Diminnti- on be made what way it will. What Mr- Lowntks fays about Gold Coins, p. 88. &c. appears to me highly rational, and I perfe^ly agree with him ; excepting only that I do not think Gold is in regard of Silver rifen i in England i which I tiiink may. be thus made out. A Guinea weighing five Penny Weight and nine Grains, or one hundred and twenty nine Grains ; and a Pound Sterling weighing one thouiand eight hundred and fixty Grains; A Guinea at twenty Shillings is asaie hundred and twenty nine to one thoufand eight hundred and fixty ^ that is, as one to fourteen and an half, • A Guinea at two and twenty Shillings, is as one hundred and twenty nine, to two thoufand forty two, i. e, as one to fix- teen. ■ A Guinea at thirty Shillings, is as one hundred twenty nine to two ^thoufand fe- ven hundred eighty four, i. e. as one to twenty one and a half,near. . He-tberefore that receives twenty Shil- lings ffliil'd Money for a Guinea, receives one thoufand eight Bundred and fixty Grains Standard Silver, for one hundred twenty nine Grains of Standard Gold, i. e. fourteen and an half for one. * •- He- (93 ) He who receives ttvo and twenty Shii- lings raill'd Money for a Guinea, has two thoufand forty two Grains Standard Sii- ver, for one hundred twenty nine Grains Standard Gold, i. e, fifteen for one. He who receives thirty Shillings miU'd Money for a Guinea, has two thoufand feven hundred eighty four Grains Stand- ard Silver, for one hundred twenty nine Grains of Gold, i. e. twenty one and an half for one. But the current Cafh being(upon Tryals made about Midfuminer laft ) computed by Mr. Lowndes P. ic8. to want half its Standard weight, and not being mended lince, it is evident he who receives thirty Shillings of our prefent clip'd Money, for a Guinea, has but One thoufand three hun- dred ninety two Grains of Standard Silver, for One hundred twenty nine Grains of Gold, i. e. has but ten and three quarters pfSilver for one of Gold. I have left out the utmoft precHi- ons of fradions in thefe computations, as not necelTary in the paefent Cafe, thefe whole Numbers fhewing wdl enough the difference of the value of Guineas at tbofe feveral Rates. If it be true what I here alTert, vix,. That he who receives 50 Shillings in our Cor- rent C94) rent" tUp'd Money for a Guinea, receives not eleven Grains ofSilver for one of Gold j wheras the value ofGold toSilver in all our Neighbouring Countries is about fifteen to one, which is about a third part more; It will probably be demanded, how comes iito pafs that Foreigners,or others,import Gold; when^they do not receive as much' Silver for it here, as they may have in all other Countries ? The reafon whereof is tjiliblv this, that they exchange it not here for Silver, but for our Commodities; And, oiir Bargains for Commodities as well as all other Coptrads being made in Pounds Shillings arid Pence; our clip'd Money re- tains amongft the Pdople (who know not how to count but by Current Money) a part of its legal value, whilft; it palTesfor the fatisfadion of legal Contrads, as if it were Lai\ful Money. As long as the King receives it for his Taxes, and the Landlord Jbr his Rent, 'tis no wonder the Farmer andTenent (hould receive it for his Commodities. And this perhaps would do well enough,if our Money and Trade were - to Circulate only amongft our Selves, and we had noCommerce with the reft of the World, and needed it not. But here lies thelofs, when Foreigners lhall bring over Gold hither, and with that pay for our Commodities at the rate of Thirty Shil- " lings ("95) lings the Guinea, when the fame quantity of Gold that is in a Guinea is not beyond Sea worth more Silver than is iW twenty, or one and twenty and fix Pence of our mill'd and lawful Money: By which way' pf paying for out: Commoditjes England jofes near one thrrd (5f the value of all the Gommodities it thus fells. And 'lis all one' as-if Foreigners paid for them in Money" Coin'd and clip'd beyond Sea, wherein was- one third lefs Silver than there ought; to be. And thus we lofe near one third' in all our Exportation, whilfl Foreign Gold Imported is received in Phynient for Thirty Shillings a Guinea. To make this ■ appear, we need but trace this way of Commerce a little, and there can be no doubt of the lofs we fuffer by it. Let us fuppofe, for Example, a'Bale of Holland Linnen worth chei e,one hundreds' eighty Ounces of our Standard Silvch ^ And . a Bale of Serge here worth alfo the fame weight of One hundred eighty Ounces of' the fame Standard Silver: 'Tis evident, thefe two Bules are cxadly of the fame va- > lue. Mr. Lorpndes tells us P S3 That at - this time the Gold that is in a Guinea, (if it were carried to Spain, Italy, and ^ [ome other j'laces^ ) would not jntrci/df^ fo mttch^^ Silver there, as is equal to, the Standard of' twenty of oKr.Skillhgt) i- e. wcjld bc" in va- lue (96) lue there to Silver fcarce as one to fourteen and ah half: And I think, I may fay, that Gold in Holland is, or lately was, as one fo fifteen, or not much above. Taking then Standard Gold in Holland to be in pro- portion to Standard Silver, as one to about fifteen, or a little more; Twelve Ounces of our Standard Gold, or as much Gold as is in Forty-four Cnmas and a half, mnfl be given for that Bale of Holland-Linneh, if any one will pay for it there in Gold: But if he buys that Bale of Serge here for One hundred and eighty Ounces of Silver, which is Forty eight Pounds Sterling, if he pays for it in Gold at Thirty Shillings the Guinea, two and Thirty Guineas will pay for it. So that in all the Goods that we fell beyond Seas for Gold Imported, and Coin'd into Guineas, unlefs the Owners raife them 3 above what they would Sell them for in raill'd Money, we lofe twelve in Forty four and an half, which is very near one third. This lofs is wholly owing to the permitting clip'd Money in Payment. And this lofs we rouft| unavoidably fufFer whilft clip'd Money is Current amongft us. And this robbing of England of near one third of the value of the Commodities we Sell out, will continue whilft People had rather receive Guineas at Thirty Shillings, thaii (97) than Silver Coin (no other being to ba had^ that is not worth half what they take it for. And yet this clip'd Money, as bad as it is, and however unwilling People are to be charged with it, will always have Cr^it enough to pafs, whiift the Gold- fmiths and Bankers receive it; and they will always receive it, whiift they can paft it over again to the King with advantage* and can have hopes to prevail, that at laft when it can be born no longer, but rauft be call'd in, no part of the lofs of light Mo- ney,which lhall be found in their hands ihall fail upon them, though they have for many Vears dealt in it, and by reafon of its b^ ing clipM have had all the running Calh of the Kingdom in their hands, and made profit of it. I fay, clip'd Money, however bad it be, will always pafs whiift the King's Receivers, the Bankers of any kind, and at laft the Exchequer takes it. For who will not receive clip'd Money, rather than have none forjhis neceflary occalions, whiift he fees the great Receipt of the Ex- chequer admits it, and the Bank and Gold- • fmiths will take it of him, and give him Credit for it, fo that he needs keep no more of it by him than he pleafes. In this State, whiift the Exchequer receives clip'd Money, I do not fee how it can be ftop'd from pafling. A clip'd Half-Crown that H goe'- (9«) goes at the Exchequer, will not be refufed by any one who has hopes by his own or ochers hands to convey it thither, and who, unlefs he take it, cannot Trade, or fliall not be paid. Whilft therefore the Exche- quer is open to elip'd Money, it will pals, and whilft clip'dMoney pafles,Clippers will certainly be at Work j and what a gap this leaves to Foreigners, if they will make ufe of it to pour in clip'd Money upon us (as its Neighbours did into Portugal) as long as we have either Goods or weighty Money left to be carri'd away at fifty per Cent, or greater profit, its ealie to fee. 1 will fuppofe the King receives clipM Money in the Exchequer, and at half or three quarters lofs Coins it into mill'd Money. For if he receives all, how much foever clip'd, I fuppofe the Clippers Sheers hre not fo Iquemilh as not to pare away a^ bove half. Twill be a wonderful confci- encioufnels in them, no where, that 1 know, to be parallell'd, if they will content them- felves with lefs profit than they can make, • and will leave feven Penny worth of Silver in an Half-Crown, if fix Penny worth and the Stamp be enough to make it pafs for Half a Crown. When his Majefty hath CoinM this into millM Money of Standard vdeight, and paid it out again to the Ban- kcrs, Goldfmiths or others, what lhall then (99) then become of it ? Tiiliei they will lay \t up to get t id of their tlip'd Mouey, for no body will part with heavy Money, wlulft he has afty light •, nor will any hea- vy Money tome abroad whilft rbereis iighr left J for whoever has clip'd Money by him, will fell good Bargains, or borrow at any Race of thofe who are willing to oart with any weighty, to keep that by him, rather than the clipM Money he has in his hands. So that as far as this reaches, no miird Money, how much foevcr be CoinM will appear abroad or if it docs, will it long fcape the Coiners and Clippers hands, who will be at work prefently up- on it to furnilh the Exchequer w ich more clip'd Money at fifty, lixty, feventy, or I know not what advantage. Though this be enough to cut off the hopes of mill'd Money-appearing in payments whilfl: any clip'd is current.? Yet to this we may add, that Gold Imported an over value will fweep it away as fait as it is Coin'd whiill clip'd Money keeps up the i ate of Guineas above thrir former value. This will be the circulation of our Money, whilft clip'd is perrakted any way to be Current. And if ftore enough of clip'd Money from at home or abroad, can be but provided (as 'tis more than probable it may now the ; Ihall Tradc is fo Univerfal, and has been fo long [to I H 2 pradti- ( 100 ) praftifed with great advantege, and no great danger, as appears by the few have fufFer'd in regard of the great number 'tis evident are ingaged in the Trade, and the fl"?' vent of it here in England is fo known and fure) I do not fee how in a little while we fhall have any Money or Goods at all Ir left in England^ if Clipping be not iramedi- i'®'" ately ftop'd. And how Clipping can be ftop'd, but by an immediate pofitive to- tal Prohibition, whereby all clip'd Money fhall be forbid to pafs in any Payment i*" whatfoever, or to pafs for more than its weight, I would be glad to learn. Clip- ping is the great Leak, which for fome time 'i ^ paft has contributed more to Sink us, than all the Force of our Enemies could do. 2. 'Lis like a Breach in the Sea-bank, which Mlie widens every moment till it be ftop'd. And 3JhI ray timerous Temper mpft be pardon'd if 3, l\ lam frighted with the thoughts of clip'd fcis Money being Current one moment longer, ito at any other value but of warranted Stan- iat dard Bullion. And therefore there can be f ^ nothing more true and reafonable, nor that iilueal deferves better tobe conrider'd,than what sdoti Mr. Lowndes fays in his Corollary P. 90. ater, Whoever defires to know the different '«la ways of Coining Money by thtHammer and ajjlftj by the may inform himfelf in theiilKrt exaft Account Mr. Lowndes has given ofjising botb,iisyiia ( lOI ) both, under his fecond general Head • Where he may alfo fee the probableft guefs that has been made of the quantity of our clipM Money, and the Silver deficient in it 5 and an Account of what Silver Money here Coin'd in the Reigns of Q. Elizabeth K- Jams ill. and Charles ift. more exadt than is to be had any where elfe. There is only one thing which I fhall mention, fince Mr. Lmndes does it here again under this Head P. loo. and that is, melting down our Coin •, concerning which I (hall venture humbly to propofe thefe follow- ing Queflions. 1. Whether Bullion be any thing but Silver, whofe Workmanfhip has no value ? 2. Whether that Workmanfhip, which can be had for nothing, has, or can have any value > 3. Whether, whilft the Money in our Mint is Coin*d for theOwners,without,any cofl to them, our Coin can ever have any value above Standard Bullion ? 4. Whether, whilfl our Coin is not of value above Standard Bullion, Goldfmiths and others, who have need of Standard Silver, will not rather take what is by the Free labour of the Mint ready elfaid and adjufted to their ufe, and melt that down, rather than be at the trouble of meltiug mixing and effaying of Silver for the ufes they have? H 3 6 Whe- ? I {102) ■j. Whether the only core for this wan- ton, though criminal melting down our Coin, be not, that the Owners Ibould pay one Moiety of the Sixteen-pcnce Half- penny, which is paid per Pound Troy for Coinage of Silver, which the King now pays all ? 6. Whether by this means Standard Silver in Coin will not be more worth than Stan- dard Silver in Bullion, andfo be preferved from this wanton melting down, as foon as an overballance of our Trade fhall bring us Silver to ftay here ? for till then it is in vain to think of preferving our Coin from melting down, and therefore to no pur- pofe till then to change that Law. 7, Whether any Laws, or any Penal- ties can keep our Coin from being carried out, when Debts contrafted beyond Seas call for it? S. Whether it be any odds to England, whether it be carried out, melted down into Bullion, or in Specie/ •9. Whether, whilft the Exigences of onr occalionsand Trade call for it abroad, it v/ill not always be melted down for the conveniency of Exportation, fo long as the l-aw prohibits its Exportation in Specie ? I o. Whether Standard Silver -in Coin and in Bullion, will not immediately be of }he fame value as ibon as the Prohibition of carrying (105) ' carrying out Money in Specie is taken off? I II. Whether an Ounce of Silver the I more would be caried out in a Year, if that Prohibition were taken off i 12. Whether Silver in our Goin will not always, during the Prohibition of its Ex- portation, be a little lefs worth than Sil- ' ver in Bullion, whilft the Confumption of Foreign Commodities beyond what ours pay for, makes the Exportation of Silver neceflary? And fo, during fuch a ftate, Raife your Money as much and as often as you will. Silver in the Coin veill never fetch 4s much Its the Silver in Bullion^ as Mr. exprelTes it, p. no. As to the Inconveniencies and Damages we fuftain by clip'd Money paffing by Tale, as if it were Lawful, nothing can be more true, more judicious, nor more weighty, than what Mr.Lowndes fays under his third I General Head ( wherein I perfedly agree with him, excepting only where he builds j any thing upon the propofed raifing our Coin one fifth. And to what he fays, p. 114, I concerning our being deprived of the ufe of our heavy Money, by mens hoarding it, in I profpeEi that the Silver contained in thoje r rveghty pieces will turn more to their Profit, than lending it at fnterefl. Pur chafing or Trading therewith. I crave leave to add, That thole Hoarders of Money, a great rr.any of them H 4 di ivc ( I04) drive no lefs, but rather a greater Trade by hoarding the weighty Money, than if they let it go abroad. For, by that means all the current Calh being light, clip'd and hazardous Money, 'tis all tumbled in- to their Hands, which gives credit to their Bills, and furnilhes them to trade for as much as they pleafe, whilft every body elfe fcarce Trades at all, (but juft as ne- ceflity ferves) and h ready to ftand ftill. Where he fays p. 114. 'IV# not likely the weighty Moneys will foon appear abroad with- out raifing their value and recoining the clip'd Moneys: I Ihould agree with him, if it run thus Without recoining the clip'd, and in the mean time making it go for its weight. For that will, I humbly conceive, bring out the heavy Money,without raifing its value, as effedlually and fooner j for it will do it immediately: His will take up feme time. And I fear, if clip'd Money be not ftopt all at once, and prefently from pafling any way in Tale, the Da- mage it will bring will be irreparable. Mr. Lowndes'# Fourth General Head is^ to propofe the means that mujl be obfervedj and the proper methods to be ttfed in., and for the Re efiablijhment of the Silver Coins. Thefirft hfThat the IVorkJhould befiuijhed in as little time as may be j not only to obviate a farther Damage by clipping in the interim ^ but alfo (105) dlfo that the needful advantages of the nexv Money may be the fooner obtained for the fer^ vice of the Nation^ Thefe I agree with him, are very good and necelTary Ends but they are both to be attain'd, I conceive, much fooner by making clip'd Money go for its weight, than by the Method lAx. Lowndes propofes. For this immediately puts an end to C//p- ping^ and obviates all further Damage thereby. Next, it immediately brings out ail the hoarded weighty Money, and fo that ad- tage will be fooner obtain'd for the fervice of the Nation,than it can any other way be- fides. Next it preftrves the ufe of clipMMo- ney for the Service of the Nation in the itltt- rfntjtill it can be Re-coin'd all at tbeTower. His Second Propofitionis, Thtu the lofs^ or the greatefi part of ;V, ought to be born by the Publick^ and not by particulars^ who being very numerous will be prejudiced againfi a Re~ formation for the publick benefit^ if it be to be effe^ed at the coji of particular Men. A Tax given to make good the defeat Silver in clip'd Money, will be paid by particulars., and fo the lofs will be born by particular men: And whether thefe parti- culars be not more numerous, or at leall a greater number of innocent men of them more fenlibly burdenM that way, than if it takes its chance in the hands of thofe men, ( 106 ) men, who have profited by the having it in their hands, will be worth confidering. And I wifli it were well weighed, which of the two ways the greater number of men would be moll dangeroufly prejudic'd a- gainft this Reformation. But as Mr- Lowndes orders the matter, every Body will I fear be prejudiced againft this Reformation^ when (as he divides it p. r 3 3,134.) the Ow- ners will bear near one half of the lofs in the pi icc of his clip'd Money, and every Bodyelfe his part of the remainder in a Tax levied on therh for it. I wifh a re- mcdy could be found without any Bodies lofs. Mofl: of thofe ways 1 have heard propofed to make Reparation to every par- ticular man for the clip'd Money (hall be found in his hands, do fo delay the reme- dy, if not entail Clipping upon us, that I fear fuch a care of particulars indangers the whole. And if that fuller, it will go but ill with particulars. And therefore I think it will be the Rational delire of all particn- lars^ that the fhorteft and fureft way, not interfering with Law or Equity, Ihould be taken to put an effectual end, to an E. viljwhich every moment it continues works powerfully toward a general ruin. His Fourth Propbfition is, that no room mufi be left for JelouJie 3 I acknowledg to be a good one, if there can be a way found to attain it. I can- (107) 1 cannot but wonder to find thefe words P. 124 That no perfon whatfoever (k^ll hereaf- ter be oblig'd to accept in legal Payments any Money whatfoevery that is already clip*d or may hereafter be clip'd or diminijh'd ; and that no Perfon fhall tender or receive any fiich Mo- ney in Paymenty under fome [mall Penalty to be made eaply recoverabky &C. As if any man now were obliged to rc- ceive clip'd Money in legal Payment, and there were not already a Law with fevere Penalties againft thofe who tendered clip'd Money in Payment ? 'Tis a doubt to me, whether the War- den, Mafter-worker, &c. of the Mint at the Tovpery could find Fit and Skilful Perfons enough to fet nine other Mints at work in other parts of England in a quarter of a Year, as Mr. Lowndes propofes P. 127. Befides, Mr. Lowndes tells us P. g6 that the Engines which put the Letters upon theEdges of the Ivrger Silvar Pieces^ and markjhe Edges of the refl with a Crainingy are fccwts Ip. And indeed this is fo great a Guard a- gainft Counterfeiting as well as Clipping our Money, that it deferves well to be kept a Secret, as it has been hitherto. But how that can be, if Money be to be Coin'd in nine other Mints, fet up in feve- ral Parts, is hard to conceive. And laflly, perhaps fome may apprehend it may be of Cio8) ill confequence to have fo many men in- ftruded and empioyM in the Arc of Coin- ing, only for a fhort job, and then turn'd loofe again to fliifc for themfelves by their own skill and induAry, as they can. The Provifion made in his fourth Rule, p. 135, to prevent the Gain of fubtile Dea- lers by CHlling out the heavieft of the difd ficces, though it be the Produd of great Sagacity and Forefight, exadly calculated, and as well contrived as in that cafe it can be j yecl fear is too fubtile for the Appre- henfion and Pradice of Country Men, who, many of them, with their little Quicknefs in fuch matters, have alfo but fmall Summs of Money by them, and fo neither having Arithmetick, nor Choice of clip'd Money to adjuffc it to the Weight there required , will be hardly made to undcrftand it. But I think the Clippers have, or will take care that there will not be any great need of it. To conclude, I confefs my felf not to fee theleafl: Reafon why our prefent milPd Money fhould be at all altered in Finenefs, Weight, or Value. I look upon it to be the belt and fafeft from counterfeiting, adulterating, or any ways being fraudent- ly dirainilhcd, of any that ever was coined. It is ad julted to our legal Payments, Rcc- konings, and Accounts, to which our Mo- ney % (" loi;) ney mnfl. be reduced: The railing its De- noinination will neither add to its Worth, nor make the Stock we have, more pro- portionate to our Occalions, nor bring one Grain of Silver the more into f.ngland, or one Farthing Advantage to the publick: It will only ferve to defraud the King, and a great Number of his Subjeils, and per- plex all, and put the Kingdom to a need- iefs Charge of recoining aU, both mill'd as well as clip'd Money. If I might take upon me to offer any thing new, I would humbly propofe, that fince Market and retail Trade requires Iefs Divifions tb^njix pence, afufficient Qpan- tity of Four penny. Four pence half penny, and Five penny Pieces Ihould be coined. Thefe in change will anfwer all the Fradti- ons between Six pence and a Farthing, and thereby fupply the Want of fmall Monies, whereof I believe no body ever faw enough common to anfwer the NecefTity of fmall Payments whether, either becaufe therer was never a fufficicnt Qiiantity of fuch pie- ces coined, or whether becaufe of their Smallnefs they are apter to be loft out of any Hands, or becaufe they oftner falling into Chiidrens Hands, they lofe them, or lay them up ; fo it is, there is always a vifible Want of them, to fupply which without the Inconveniencies attending re- ry (llo) , ry Ihiall Coin, the propofed pieces^ I huin- b!y t. "ceive, will ferve, If it be thought fit for this end to have Tour fence f Four pence half penny j and Five f ptnny pieces coined, it will, I fuppofc, be convenient that they fhould be diftinguifh- ed from fx pences^ and from one another, by a deep and very large plain Difference in the Stamp on both fides, to prevent Miffakcs, and Lofsof Time in telling of Woncy. The Fonr pence half penny^ has n®*! " 'aheady the Harp for a known Diltihdion, which maybe fit to be continued: The ^ Five pence may have the Feathers, and the Cifili Four pence this Mark IV. of four on the Re- to verfe, and on the other fide they may each Jlwut have the King's Head with a Crown on rr, ihrce to fhew on that fide too, that the Piece fo tee coined is one of thofe under a Six pence • iIk i and with that they may each on that fide al- on, fo have fomeMarks of Diftinftion one from Argi another, as the Five penny piece this Mark that of V, the Four pence halfpenny a little Harp, «ill, and the Four pence nothing • kli Thefe, or any other better Diftinfli- . thei ons, which his Majefty fhall order, will in fm, Tale readily difcover them, if by chance any of them fall into larger Payments, for which they are notdefigned. And thus I have, with as ranch Brevity andClearnefs as I could, complied with what (iiO tvhat Ml'* Lowndes profefTes to be the end of printing bis Report in thefe Words, viz.. That any Perfons ivhq have confidered an Af' fair of thk nature^ may (if they pleafe ) corn- municate their Thoughts for rcndring the Defign here aimed at., more perftU., or more agreeable to the publich^Service. It nilift he tonfcfied that my Confederations have led me to Thoughts in feme Parts of this Af- fair, quite oppofite to Mf* Lowndes's: But how far this has been from any Defire to oppole him, or to bave a fMfpute wirh a Man, no ptherwife known to me but by hjs, Civilities, and whom I have a very great efteera for, will appear by what I printed about raifing the yalue of Moneyabove' three Years fince. All that 1 have faid here in anfwer to him, being nothing but the applying the Principles, I then went on', particularly now to y[(. Lowndes^i Arguments, as they came in my way < that fo thereby others might judge what will, or will not be the Confequences of fuch aChangeofour Coin, as he propofes, the only way, I think, of rendring his De~ fign more agreeable to the pHblick Services FINIS. ERRATA. T)Age 2. I. y^.fame qualities, p. 4.1. »?. or Sellers. p. 10. 1. ly. already, p. 27. ]. 3. IVampomfeak. p. 18. !. 10. the exali. p4 3a. 1. 4./or that raifing. J. y. that lejfening. p. 31. ult. Coin. p. ^3. '• 4- "t above. ]. 53. for all. p. 64. 1. 23. will not. p. ^y. 1. 6. larger, p. 74. 1. 19. to raife it higher to make. p. 77. !• 7. have it. \