ADDRESSES DELIVERED BEFORE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON RIVERS AND HARBORS, JANUARY 20, 22, AND 23, 1886. [Reported Ijy Simon McPherson, stenographer.] Hon. Mark H. Dunnell, of Minnesota, said : Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, during the year just closed there were held at Saint Paul, Now Orleaus, and Kansas City three largely attended con¬ ventions, held in the interest of the water-ways of the Mississiiipi and Missouri Val¬ leys. I have the honor to he a delegate from the Saint Paul convention, which was convened in September last. With the eighteen a])ecial delegates from this conven¬ tion are like delegates from the New Orleans and Kansas City conventions. These three classes of delegates have been in joint convention in this city during the present week. You, gentlemen of the committee, have kindly consented tollsten to us at this time, coining to plead for an improvement of the great water-ways of the West, the object had in view by the conventions or bodies which have sent us here. By agreement I was given the duty of opening this discussion. The convention at Saint Paul was held the first week of September. It was composed of but tew less than a thousand delegates from the seven States and the two Territoriessending delegates. Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Da¬ kota, and Montana were represented. These States and Territories embrace what we may call the Upper Mississiiipi and Missouri Valleys. The Saint Paul convention rep¬ resented 741,80« square miles, and not less than 13,000,000 peoplç. These people are the producers of the vast agricultural products of that section, larger in quantity and worth more than any equal section in the country. The annual products are not less in value than 13,000,000,000. Why was this large gathering which I have the honor to represent ? It was because these immense products, or one-half at least, should have a market ; it was that they might have a market at the least possible expense. The people of this section had looked about them, and had beheld the vast rivers and lakes with which nature had supplied the region. They had become aware that there were 7,000 miles of rivers which were and could be easily made navigable, and not less than 1,000 miles of lake coast. 1 n any section where products exist beyond its means for consumption freightage must become a question of vital interest. All the conven tiens sending messengers to be heard by you were held in a section of the Republic having a vast surplus of agricultural products. To these sections, and, indeed, to the whole country, transportation is trans- ceudently important. Here are the greatest number of the producers of the necessi¬ ties, the breadstnlfs of life. How to get their earnings to the markets at home and abroad was the great underlying question. These producers must have protection to the extent that the General Government in its own interest and that of all the people should, as far as possible, lessen the expense of getting these products to the markets. This is the plain, simple question which brought together these large bodies of men, as ilitelligent and earnest as ever assembled in the country. When I speak here as a representative of the Saint Paul convention, my words can be no dift'erent from what they would be were 1 representing either of the other conventions in all I may say on the general question. All the delegates here from the sources of the Mis- sissipni and Missouri to t heir mouths have a voice in perfect accord. We have min¬ gled in the utmost harmony. We all represent a like general interest, and in calling attention to local or special needs we do it in harmony with the greatest weal. The representatives here before this committee deem it an honor to bear to it a message from the producers of the great bulk of the breadstuffs of the country, for these producersarenational benefactors. They love peace; they practice industry ; they seek honest gains, and to this end they ask that their products may reach those in need of them at the least possible expense. This is not strange, and this discussion is not 926 OONG——1 2 vain. These producers are intelligent ; they have learned that water transportation is vastly cheaper than railroad transportation. They ask that these rivers and lakes may float their crops; that safe harbors may he made ready along the lakes, and that bodies of water may be connected by the canal where nature has made easy and in¬ viting conditions, and where the through vrater roirte may be secured. These pro¬ ducers know that the mere existence of navigable rivers will vastly reduce the cost of grain movement by rail. They understand the regulative effect of water rates upon rail routes; they know the truthfulness of the following statement, which I clipped from a morning paper of to-day: "Rail rates on grain from Chicago to the Atlantic seaboard during the season of navigation are controlled by lake rates. These rates fell from 24 cents per bushel in 1875 to 19 in 1880 and 13 in 1885. During the past season rates have averaged about 15 cents per hundred pounds from Chicago to New York, but since the closing of the Lakes they have been advanced to 24 cents. Rates between Chicago and points five hundred miles northwest are from 30 to 40 per cent, lower than from Chicago to points five hundred miles southwest, because of the nearness of Duluth in the Northwest. The rates west of the Mississippi River are fully 25 per cent, higher than east of that stream, because of the effect of the Lakes in the other locality. Such facts as these show the regulative effect of water rates upon rail routes, and show that by such im¬ provement of Western waterways as are now being asked for tradsportation would be greatly cheapened in the West, which will restore our position in the world's market, protect our export trade, and provide a market for Eastern manufactures in the West." These producers deem these rivers and lakes, and justly, as the grand conservators. They know that the saving of 1 and 2 cents per bushel on grains would result in a vast sum, in part going to the consumer and in part to them. Labor is the base of all true wealth. A good government will study how it may have its largest protection and surest outcome. Our markets are at home and abroad— largely at home. The East can ask this legislation now plead for, with a voice as lond as the West and South. Allow me, respectfully, to call your attention to some facts stated in a paper fur¬ nished the Saint Paul convention, and found on pages 160 and 161 of its report, now placed before you by Col. Utley, of Dixon, 111. He thus wrote : "The West and Northwest are now meeting with sharp competition for our cereals in Europe, as is amply demonstrated by the present low prices for our products. "Let us for one moment inquire into the causes for this depression in prices. "Within a short time Germany has completed a ship-canal from Luckback Bay to the North Sea, saving 500 miles of difficult and dangerous navigation to the Atlantic ports, and reduced the cost of transporting wheat from the interior 6 cents per bushel. She has also completed surveys and determined on the improvement of her rivers and harbors, and the construction of canals, at a cost of more than ¡1100,000,000. "Russia has just completed a ship-canal to connect with the Casperian Railway, and he rengineers have finished the surveys and commenced work on the river Volga, from the Caspian Sea up that river for 130 miles, to a pass in the highlands, and a canal about 50 miles in length to the river Don, and down that river to the Black Sea and out to the ocean. "It is estimated that this improvement alone will reduce the cost of freight on wheat from the great wheat fields about the Caspian Sea to the Atlantic ports fully 7 cents per bushel. Previous to the construction of the Suez Canal the East Indies exported to Europe less than 400,000 bushels of wheat annually. In 1882 they sent to the same country over 33,000,000 bushels." If Germany and Russia can give such attention to the needs of the wheat raisers of these countries, why may not the United States pursue a like policy? Indeed, the very genius of our Government cries out for a like liberal and far-reaching policy. It would be in the interest of the people who are the Government. Their wealth is but the wealth of the nation. A policy which compels the subjects or constituent elements of a government to confer its beneficence, begets real, substantial patriotism. The people are forthwith contented. Napoleon III was honored and loved in France, where his policies were for the development of the material resources of the nation—when labor was rewarded, when all the industries of the people were fostered and made remunerative. He lost the throne when he left them uncared for, that he might have the glories of war. The highest weal of our Republic is reached when all the people feel that the Gov¬ ernment legislates for them, for their happine.ss, because it seeks to give them a full return for all their labors ; when the harbors and rivers are made fit for the great pur¬ poses of commerce much is done for the people. England, after her wars with Napoleon and while struggling under the burden of her enormous debts, gave s])eclal attention to agriculture. She built canals, and so fostered and built up a large internal commerce. This was, indeed, a new policy. It 3 was eminently successfnl. The increased facilities for internal commerce correspond¬ ingly augmented the products of agriculture. "The large products at the time enabled English statesmen to avert many of the perils which then threatened the Kingdom. It is within our memory that our large exports of agricultural products soon after the close of the war turned the balance of trade in our favor, enabled the Govern¬ ment to resume her specie payments, and so reduced the public debt that it soon ceased to be deemed a burden The energies of the people were turned to the grand work of rebuilding. Liberal policies are onr great want to-day. All questions affecting our internal commerce should have immediate attention. Happily our Treasury is full, and fortu¬ nate will it be for the whole country if Congress shall let this Treasury meet all the demands coming from the great necessities of the people. It was mainly my duty to open this discussion. Others will deal more freely with the arguments, horn of well arranged and well ascertained statistics. The gentlemen who shall follow me have them and know how to use them. In closing, gentlemen of the committee, allow me to predict that not two decades will pass before the people of the United States will demand from Congress appro¬ priations for their internal commerce which will show in terrible clearness the meager- ness of those of the last two decades. They will condemn parsimony, and demand a generous, a large liberality in all that pertains to their good ; what shall be for their good will be for the good of the Republic. You gentlemen will deserve well of the people if you shall take a part in the inauguration of this mote liberal policy. Yon will be sustained by the people, and by a consciousness that you have acted for the greatest good of all the people of the entire Union. James Phelan, of Memphis, Tenn., addressed the committee as follows: Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, I .shall not go into any details in the discussion of this question, which has been already discussed by the gentlemen who preceded me. Being called on somewhat suddenly to discuss the question, I shall confine myself chiefly to one branch of the subject, which has not yet, I believe, been broached, and that is the relation of the Mississippi River Commission to Congress and the people. As you all know, there have been various antagonistic influences which have come into play in the discussion of this question, some being in favor of the Mississippi River Commission and some opposed. Coming from the lower valley of the Missis¬ sippi, knowing somewhat of the work which the Commission has done, having also heard the criticisms of those more competent than I am to form an accurate opinion, I can say I am prepared to indorse absolutely and unreservedly the action of the Mississippi River Commission. It is the almost unanimous sentiment of the people from the lower Mississippi Valley that the Mississippi River Commission should be sustained, that it should be regarded as their representative body, and that its action should be indorsed by Congress. I wish to make this so much the clearer, so much the more pointed, in view of the fact that questions on this subject have been raised. Connected with a daily paper, having been interested for some years in this work, having come in contact with these factors which form public opinion, being directly influenced in my profession by public opiuion, I again repeat that whatever n ay have been the errors of the Mississippi River Commission, whatever mistakes they may have made in details, the people of the Lower Mississippi Valley undoubtedly and heartily sustain them in their action. Now, in so far as some questions of detail are concerned, I think, and those who formed my opinion think, that the action of the Mississippi River Commission in some things has not been exactly what it should have been, dictated by a sound and con¬ sidered judgment. The Mississippi River Commission has now been in existence sev¬ eral years. They have done some work which was exceedingly important, they have accomplished decided and great results, but at the same time there are some things whcih they should have doue which we believe, which we know, they have left un¬ done. The improvement of the Atchafalaya River, without going too far into de¬ tails, is a work of peculiar importance to the people of the extreme Lower Valley of the Missipippi, the people of New Orleans, and other sections of that country, the region tributary to New Orleans. Having been at work for some years, having every facility for the collection of data, the Commission has failed to take any action looking to the accomplishment of that work, which of all the work they have to do is decidedly the most important. I do not wish to criticise the manner of their work in other respects. I do not desire that this committee or Congress should regard my remarks, or the remarks of anybody from the Mississippi River who has criticised the Commission, as indicating an opinion that the Commission should be hampered or restrained. Let them decide on the details of their work, but at the same time let the committee and Congress force them, acting on their own judgment, to proceed to make some definite improvement. In other words, I would not suggest to the com¬ mittee that it should tell them how they shall do the work, but I would suggest to the committee and Congress that they should be told the work must be done imme- 4 diately. Leave to tlieni the plann, hut yon decide on the time. The Mississippi Ei ver Commission as a body is indorsed,* and should be permanent. If the individuals of the Commission are not competent to carry ont their work, then it is the duty of Congress, it is the wish of the ])eople, that new members be appointed. Personally, with possibly one exception, the Commission is thoroughly competent to carry out this work. I think the adverse criticisms passeil on their action have rendered them timid of undertaking the great work, which would be enormous and po.ssibly inade¬ quate ie.snlts accomplished. That may be an excuse for the apparent loitering on their part. Btit if this Commission is capable of performing any work, then they have all the material at their hands for the purpose of carrying out that work. I would therefore suggest to the committee, in the interests of our people, whose sentiments I know as to the value of the Commission, and which I think I have ex¬ pressed—I would suggest to Congress that the Mississippi River Commission itself should be heartily indorsed : but I would also suggest, as the desire of those thor¬ oughly competent to form an opinion, that Congress should Insist on the Commission taking immediate action looking towards these improvements, which are mostneces- sary and urgent. Mr. Gibson. In what respects, in youropinirm, has the Commission failed in the dis¬ charge of its duty ? Mr. Phelan. Chiefly in the matter of the improvement of the Atchafalaya. That is the vexed question. I, of course, am not in a position to say how the work should he done, but at the same time 1 am prepared to say that some improvement should be made—that it should be closed or opened, or that the discharge of water should be regulated in some ma liner. They have admitted that something should be done to regulate the discharge of w ater, but so far no attempt has been made to do it, as I understand. Mr. Gibson. Your principal point is that the imjirovementshould be made accord- Bg to the ideas of the Commission. Mr. Phklan. Yes, and to force the Commission to do it—to direct the Commission to proceed with the work, but to leave the manner of procedure and details to them. Now, ihere areother gentlemen to succeed me, and I will not trespass longer on your time. I have not gone into details. I have suggested that which in my opinion is the only point to be criticized. Mr. Gibson. You live in Memphis ? Mr. Phklan. Yes, sir. Mr. g1b.son. In the last river and harbor bill, which became a law, a large ap¬ propriation, some $200,ÜUO, was made with the view of protecting that city against encroachments of the river ; how has that work succeeded ? Mr. Phelan. It has succeeded, as far as we can determine, brilliantly. Mr. GiBSO^t. Has it met the expectations of those concerned ? Mr. Phelan. It has more than met the expectations of the people of Memphis. Mr. Gibson. Has any portion of that work done looking to the protection of the city of Memphis been lost ; if so, what per cent. ? Mr. Phelan. I do not know what per cent.; some accidents occurred by which some part of it was torn away and lost; that was in carrying out the work. After the mattresses were laid properly—after the engineer had accomplished what he de¬ sired—the results could not be observed immediately. As yet we have not had any high flood. If you are acquainted with the action of the Mississippi River you will know that the harmful work is gradual when it comes high water, and the results are seen only after the water subsides. As yet, we have not had a flood of that kind. The river there forms the three turnings of the letter " S," a kind of waving line. There is one point juts above Memphis, and one juts towards Memphis here, and lower down a point juts out towards the river where the river divides at President's Island ; where the river comes down by the shank at the uppei projection, that pro¬ jects towards the Arkansas bank ; it there strikes the Arkansas bank ; it is then de¬ flected again towards the Memphis side; when the caving began near Memphis it struck near the grain elevator and was undermining that. These mattresses were laid, and it has been deflected again towards the Arkansasside. We bave noticed in the last three months that where there is a large sand-bar, its upper edge has begun to wear away. Mr. liLANCHARD. Have you ever been up at Hopefleld Bend ? ' Mr. Phelan. Yes; that is what I have been speaking of. The money that has been approiiriated was wholly inadequate, and has been expended. What we need is a large and immediate appropriation to continue and complete.the work. I thank you for your attention. J. H. Flower, of New Orleans, La., said : In lieu of Mr. E. K. Converse, I will read a paper prepared by him. The colonel is a little indisposed this morning, and I will read the paper in his behalf, which is as follows : " Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, I appear before you to urge, as has been done by the gentleman before me, the improvement of all the navigable 5 higljways from tlie headwaters of the Missouri, the Ohio, and the Mississippi to their coinmoi) and only outlet, the mouth of the Mississippi. I come to join my voice with theirs in asking the attentive and favorable consideration of the memorials and reso¬ lutions that are presented as having been unanimously passed by the three conven¬ tions that were respectively held in New Orleans in April, at Saint Paul in Septem¬ ber, and at Kansas City iu December, and I come accredited as a representative from the commercial exchanges of the city of New Orleans, and of the Produce Exchange of that city in particular, who, at a meeting held on the 14th of this month, thus voiced the opinion of every member of that large body of business men : " ' New Orleans Produce Exchange, " 'NewOrleans, January 14, 1886. Whereas the business men of the city of New Orlean.s, and the citizens of the State of Louisiana at large, feel most deeply interested in the proceedings of the con¬ ventions held iu this city. Saint Paul, and Kansas City, looking to the improvement of the Western water-ways, and recognizing the importance of having their recom¬ mendations carried out— Be it resolved, That we earuestly urge upon our Senators and Representatives in Congress the necessity of having such appropriations made as will be in keeping with the immense volume of trade involved. And ie it further resolved, That we mo.st heartily concur in the appointment made by the chairman of the executive committee of our worthy ex-president, E. K. Con¬ verse, esq., and fully indorse him as representing the sentiments of the exchange. '"Yours, respectfully, " ' N. D. WALLACE, President, " ' By H. SMITH, Secretary.' "Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, the story of our pressing needs has been so well told already, and the benefits to follow their accomplishment so con¬ clusively proved by statistical facts and figures, that I feel nothing is needed from those standpoints that can be advanced in argument by myself to induce you to con¬ viction ; but there is one matter not yet fully touched upon ; one that has largely contributed to the commercial prosperity of New Orleans and of the Mississippi Valley, a part that bears relation to the whole, the magnitude of which constantly asserts it¬ self, and the further discussion of which, in my judment, is proper at this moment; the more so, because of the nature of a query propounded by one or more of your committee on Wednesday morning. I refer, Mr. Chairman, to the jetties at the mouth of the river. In all that I say of that work, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, I speak sim¬ ply from my knowledge and experience as a business man, as a dealer in provisions and breadstufts of the West since before the jetties were constructed. Intimately and largely acquainted as I am with the business men of New Orleans, Saint Louis, Kansas City, and other great centers of the Southwest, I liave yet to meet the first dealer in my line who questions the present results of their construction. More than by any other means of a local application has this work contributed to our welfare and prosperity, and we would be recreant to the truth were we to say otherwise. "The jetty proper embraces about thirteen miles of river, an infinitely small part of the whole, 'tis true, but, Mr. Chairman, if the work upon all of the other portions of the water-ways of the valley were as well and quickly doue, the increase in the com¬ merce of the Missouri, the Ohio, and the Mississippi valleys, the increased returns upon the sale of the products consequent upon their increased and quickened means of transportatiou, aud the increase iu the revenues to the General Government and of its political jjower, that will follow such a consummation, will be far beyond what can be comprehended by a statement at this time. "The Mississippi Valley, as it is termed, embraces 1,'200,000 square miles of terri¬ tory, and its navigable water-courses over 14,000 miles. New Orleans has been for years the exclusive seaport almost for the commerce of this vast domain, and be the conditions what they may, the mighty river upon whose bank it lies is still and will alwaj's continue to be the great avenue of commerce between the West and South ; not with respect only to the commerce actually carried upon it, but in the in¬ fluence which it will ever exert towards regulating rates over competing routes. " New Orleans being, as I have just said, the seaport of greater magnitude, the jetties, upon which the Government has so wisely spent its millions, being an accom¬ plished result, it seems to me and to countless others, Mr. Chairman, as the essence of statesinanship were the Government to preserve the re.sults already attained throngh its expenditures, by preparing the way above for what seeks to pass through that seaport and by the way of those jetties where the accommodation for that in¬ crease has been made so ample. " In the success of the improvement of the mouth of the river, I have been un¬ stinted in my praise, Mr. Chairman, and in proof of my faith I will here give you a ) few facts and figures. I may not make my |uesentation with that careful and or¬ derly detail that you are accustomed to, but none the less they will be found hard, incontrovertible facts. " Before the jetties, the depth of water through the passes did not exceed 18J feet under the most favorable conditions. Now 30 feet may be found, and a narrowest bottom width of äO feet. " Before the jetties, the foreign steamship arrivals in 1873 numbered 83, with an aggregate tonnage of 107,000 tons; in 18b3 they numbered 402, with an aggregate tonnage of O.'iSjOOO tons, " Before the jetties, a vessel of 1,500 or 2,000 tons capacity was above the average in arrivals. Now vessels of 5,000 tons capacity are loaded at New Orleans. " Before the jetties, vessels were loaded to not over 14 feet of draught. Now vessels loaded to 26| and 27 feet pass ont to the sea. " Before the jetties, skillful pilotage and management were of no avail, for the channels were ever changing. Now, where a vessel is kept within the jetty channel, detentions are unknown. " Before the jetties, the towage on vessels was from |1.25 to |1.50 per ton. Now it can and has been had for 50 cents a ton, and a proportionate reduction in the rates of insurance on vessels and cargoes has also been made. "Before the jetties, the exports of grain were 5.750,000 bushels in a year. Now they are 14,2.50,000. The total exports were valued at $68,000,000. Now they amount to $94,000,000, an increase of 50 per cent. " Before the jetties, foreign freights were 18 to 24 cents per bushel. Now it isfrom 8 to 12 cents ; and right here I will state that although there has been a reduction to some slight extent in the rates of river transportation, it is not nearly proportionate to the reduction in ocean freights, because from the improved outlet to the sea, the largest of steamers can come and go at will, while upon the rivers the need of im¬ proved navigation prevents it. "And now, one more comparison, as to the effect of the improved navigation at the mouth of the river upon that other great factor, the railroad. In 1873 the total mileage of railroads to New Orleans was 570 miles. In 1883, after construction, the mileage has increased to 10,227 miles. "And now, one other reference, Mr. Chairman, and I will have done. It was asked ou Wednesdaj' if the heated regions through which the grain passed in transit through New Orleans to a foreign port was not an injury or a risk. I most unreservedly say no. In 1879 or 1830 two barges were loaded with corn and wheat at Saint Paul, as an experiment to test this very question. Its transit at points was purpo.sely delayed, and it was held in New Orleans, iu the month of July, and was several months on the way; yet on arrival at Liverpool it rated the same as to condition, upon inspec¬ tion. that it did at Saint Paul. Another instance ; a cargo of bulk grain and cotton was loaded upon a steamship ; the steamer went ashore at or near the mouth, was brought back to the city, and with cargo intact was placed in dock, repaired and again went to sea, and iu about eighty days after shipment from New Orleans ar¬ rived at Liverpool iu a perfectly sound condition, all of which proved not only that our southern climate does not affect its condition, but, as claimed by Mr. Eaures, retnru home, and begin to es - tiuiatp. On 5,0ÜÜ bushels corn, 2,000 bushels wheat, and 1,000 bushels potatoes, which you carried to market, your returns from savings on freight between railroads and waterway have yielded you |2,400. How dilterent do you feel, and how changed the future. This IS not a figure of fancy. It is but the realiration of each and every producer every year of his life, with the single exception that only in the year lb79 did he ever And this advertisement of the Bahbage Barge Company in which freights were thus reduced. But Prof. G. C. Pratt, in his annual report as railroad commissioner, assures us that there is as great a promise of gain in transporting heavy freight on the water, if navigation were imjtroved, at 1 mill per ton per mile, as by railways at .5 mills per ton per mile, and no greater risk. I omitted to add to the item of .savings the difference to the farmer in the cost of all those articles which he is forced to purchase, which are brought from abroad to him. But permit me in this connection to state that while this dift'ereuce in cost of trans¬ portation by rail and wmter exists, tbere should nevertheless be no antagonism be¬ tween the railway interests and those of the water-ways, for the reason that the rail¬ roads permeate the whole country. The great earth, which God has made, is their foundations from which to gather in their rapid course the vast productions there¬ from, draw tribute from every cultivated acre in their broad range, and deposit the raw material in the graneries upon the banks of these rivers, if improved, to be borne hence to all the markets of the globe. We would not if we could, and we could not if we would, mar the usefulness of our great system of railways. They have been our prosperity, they have contributed more to the development of the great West, which I at this hour represent, than all other agencies now existing. They have brought habitations and put into culture millions of acres of land, which but for these would have been the play-ground of the buflalo, coyote, antelope, and jack rabbit for a century to come. The sage brush, sand banks, and droughts are no longer the cry of the lone travelers, but the meriy voice of happy children, the enchanting song of angelic women, and the hoarse ' Go 'long" of hardy manhood, echo and re-echo from 1,325,000 acres of land in that mighty West. Still, because these railways have brought us into existence, we now desire to reach perfect manhood, and not, on account of high freights, to live only as sickly, puny, and undeveloped bairns. These two basins would be the Croesus of the West for agricultural purposes, if reclaimed by that system of riverimprovement adopted with¬ in the last five years by our engineers. The obstacles to the continuous and successful navigation of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and their tributaries should be removed. And in so doing these valley lands would, at the same time, with no additional expense, be reclaimed, as I shall now endeavor to prove. These valleys are made land, formed by deposits from the annual river floods and from the high lands contiguous during heavy rainfalls. The soil, therefore, consists of loam, sand, silt, and drift, forming by combination a texture remarkly rich and loose, and conseiiuently easily removed or displaced by a current of water. The current of the river, by virtue of an inherent attractive and repulsive prop¬ erty, seeks a tortuous course, iu which there is made invariably and necessarily a concave bend on the one side and a gradually sloping convex bending surface imme¬ diately opposite on the other side. During the month of June of each year, when the snow of the mountains is melting, the river swells and overflows the lower lands. If, simultaneously, there is an unusual rainfall in the vicinity of these basins, as in 1879,1881, and 1883, uniting with the melting snows, the rivers assume an enormous height, increasing the depth of channel to 30 feet above low-water gauge, in which event the whole basin is submerged from bluff to bluff, thereby increasing the width of the river from 1,000 feet ordinarily to 15 miles in some sections. The seasons of excessive rainfall and melting snows, in which the whole valley is inundated, usually occurs about the first of June, and by the 15th of July the river is in its ba.nks, but it sometimes occurs that the overtlow commences in April and does not subside until July or August 1. There is no b.ank-washing as long as the water covers and con.seqnently su])ports them, but so soon as the river falls within banks the concave bank, against which only the current strikes and Hows raiddly downward, scouring and surging in its progress for a di.stance of from two to live, itiih'S, washes off centrally not uufre- queutly from one hundred feet of earth in width by one-half mile or more in length every twenty four hours. By this process the, concavity is increased, the central diameter stretciies towa.nls the bluff rapidly, for the simple re.ason that the velocity is greatest at the current's center and diminishes as the distance from this central flow above and below is incre.ased, until finally a terminal i)oint is reached, in which there is no current and no excavation. Before reaching this terminal point below, the current 9 begins to deflect, preparatory to the crossing over to the opposite bank. The whole volume of water is here laden with detritus, and, its velocity becoming diminished, it can no longer carry its immense burden; it heaves and surges, rises and lalls, scours and deposits, forming shoals and pools alternately, until it reaches the opposite shore, where, having divested itself of the superabundant burden, it begins to at¬ tack upon that shore, to be foliowed by the same results, and so onward and onward from Sioux City to the mouth, a distance of 762 miles. From Sioux City upwards the characteristics of the river change. It is now apparent that but for these crossings there would be no obstructions from shoals to navigation. It is highly important in this connection to impress the fact, viz, that as the concave bank wash-s centrally, the point of deflection below changes, producing a coriesponding change in the chan¬ nel of its course in its passage to the opposite shore. Hence arises the variableness found in the channel at these points and the difficulty of navigation immediately fol¬ lowing floods, on the Missouri Kiver especially. It is a common occurrence for the pilots of our Western steamboats, while running with perfect freedom, to call for the sounding. The lead is thrown ; the response comes, "Nobottom; no bottom; mark twain ; lOfeet; 6 feet; no foot atall,by G—d." The vessel is fast aground ; time is lost ; expenses go on ; damage is incurred ; heavy loss is sustained, and as the result navigation is suspeniied." How can this state of unprofltable navigation of our Western waterways be reme¬ died? How can the Missouri River, for instance, be so altered and changed that it can be made navigable, as you desire, and what the cost attending it ? The end can be attained by that system of river improvement called "revetment. And, having stated the characteristics of the Missouri River especially, we are now prepared to state how it can be improved. The work consists in protecting the concave bank only from washing, which can be done as follows : , In the first place, after having secured all necessary apparatus, consisting of boats, barges, towboats, boats for sleeping and feeding the hands, boats for constructing mattresses, machine boats, tools, &c., all of which have been bought at an ex¬ pense of $650,000, and which, when collected, is called for convenience "the plant," the engineers proceed to grade to a suitable slope the perpendicular concave bank, by means of a jet of water thrown from a large gum pipe by an engine on board a vessel prepared for the purpose; after which a mattress of willows and wireismade, like a carpet woven in a loom from filling and warp. This is made seventy feet wide, and is placed upon the bottom of the river the entire distance to which the work at a given point will be required, and extends ont from the bank into the river. This is confined to the bottom by large stones, conveyed from quarries on barges and thrown overboard in sufficient quantity to hold the mattress immovably to the bottom. This being done a similar mattress is woven of sufficient width to cover the sloped bank, overlapping the mattress at the bottom for several feet, like shingles on the roof of a house. The upper edge of this mattress extends over the top of the bank and is there confined at every eight feet by a large and small wire rope alternately, the larger one being one-half inch in size and is anchored ten feet backte a ponderous stone imbedded several feet into the earth. In addition to these ropes are stakes eight feet long, driven ten feet apart through the mattress into the sffiped bank, and the whole entirely cov¬ ered with stone weighing from 20 pounds minimum to 200 pounds maximum. When this is finished the work presents the appearance of a uniform sloping bank nice'y rip- rapped with stone. The first annual rise of the river covers this mass with silt, sand, and drift, thus eft'ectually preventing all atmospheric influences and any decay conse¬ quent thereon. But to be permanent the reveting must commence at the source of the stream or at points protected by high stone bluffs. In order that a change in the river above cannot so alter the channel that it can be forced to strike above the point of beginning and by so doing enable the channel to get behind the work done, in which event the whole of the work is brought to naught. Thus is explained the cause of so much work heretofore done on the Missouri River with such small results. This likewise is the reason that the system of river improvement cannot begin at the month and proceed upwards. The effect of this system of river improvement continued to completion is three¬ fold ; Ist. Material is no longer furni.shed in such immense quantity for the formation of shoals or bars in the transition of the current from side to side, for the bank being mattressed and overlaid with stone as aforesaid, no longer scours or falls in, as for¬ merly. 2d. At the spring floods, when the banks are overflowed, the detritus settles upou the banks and adjacent valley lands, elevating the same from year to year, until even¬ tually a secondary formation is created of sufficient height and width to prevent over¬ flows altogether. 3d. The shoals at the crossing are washed oft', caused by a uniform deflection of the current from this protected and concave surface, which h.as been made uniform in curvature and stable in character. 10 • But in order to benetit navigation permanently, even at, the locality improved, it is hazardous to stop the work at this one point for the purpose of benefiting a section remote from this, for the reason that the river might make a cut-off in the first bend above, in which event the channel wonld in all probability leave entirely the shore thus protected and make an attack below at a different point altogether upon the first side opposite the revetment. Therefore it follows that, to be effective to navigation, the sys era must be contin¬ uous, most certainly to the extent of similarly improving the concave bank first below and on the opposite bank from that improved. One other point and I will have finished my remarks pertaining solely to navigation. Yon remember, in niy description of the river and its channel before revetting was be¬ gan, we had at the section in which onr work was to begin a long concave, or half- moon bank surface, a deep channel scouring this said bank, and a narrow river, while, immediately below, at the crossing, we had a wide river, a scattered and changeable current, numerous shoals and pools, and no fixed channel and no water on the shoals over three feet. After revetting this concave bank surface we had the same deep, strong current coursing our protected bank ; but below we had a fixed deflection of current, producing a fixed channel in its crossing; which fixed channel, by virtue of its own force, bereft of detritus, scours ofi' the sho.ils or bars, which uniform localized scouring deepens the channel, throws to each side the sediment from the bottom until, finally, a natural and permanent bank on either side of this ero.ssing current is thrown up, thereby contracting the water surface within a leas width, and a depth of chan¬ nel from 8 to lá feet is obtained as a direct consequence of revetment performed as above described. If this be true in this locality, so far improved, it must be equally so in every other locality similarly situated, and if true in all, the result will be a channel of B to 12 feet is obtained and fixed for all time to come. In addition to securing a navigable river for large vessels 8 to 10 months in the year, what besides does this grand and continuous system of river improvement ac- comitlish ? We have stated before, that there are two basins, the one the Mississippi, the other the Missouri. The length of theMissouri River basin, from its mouth to Fort Buford, is 1,682 miles. The average width of the valley land now subject to overflow, comput¬ ing from a point of bluff on the one side of river to a corresponding bluff point on the other side, an average distance of 2 miles, or 3,364 square miles. From the mouth to Sioux City is 782 miles, or 1,564 square miles; from the cities of Kansas, Mo., and Wyandotte, Kans., situated each ou the Missouri River, at the mouth of Kansas River to Sionx City, is 400 miles, or 800 square miles of bottom laud This district, which I directly represent, comprises a portion of Missouri, Kansas, Nebra.ska, and Iowa, in which there are 512,000 acres of land directly and ince.ssantly afi'ected by the Missouri Rît'er. There is in cultivation each year not to exceed one-third of this, nor could there be more under existiiig contingencies. There could be another third success¬ fully cultivated two years out of three, the other third is wholly abandoned on account of annual overflow. If the Missouri River, from the mouth of the Kansas River, where the two cities aforesaid are situated, to Sioux City, were improved, the amount of arable lands from and after three years, from date of improvement, wonld be two-thirds successfully and annually, and one-third only subject to oecasioual sub- mergation. These bottom lands produce, on an average, 60 bushels of corn per acre, or 50 bush¬ els oat,s, 25 bushels wheat, 300 bushels Irish potatoes, or 1,500 pounds hemp, at the will of the producer. The gross product as now situated for an average year in 6, at the rate aforesaid, would be 533,000 bushels ; whereas if reclaimed, the average an¬ nual yield would be 25,575,666 bu.sbels as against 8,533,000 bushels at present—thus increasing onr annual product 17,042,666 bushels in corn. The amount of production thus increased, at the net value of 10 cents per bushel, amounts to 11,704,266 and 66f cents each year ; and in ten years thereafter the whole bottom would be reclaimed at no additional cost. What, you may ask, will it cost to revet the bank of the Missouri River, from Sioux City to the .said mouth of Kansas River. Pardon me, gentlemen, for having selected these points for the basis of argunieut. I have done so solely for brevity and con¬ venience in computing amounts. That which is true for this .section isetjually so for the sections above ami below. But, to proceed : The cost per mile, as reported by Maj. Charles Suter, United States engineer, isflO.üOO—if made continuously—btit if done in driblets, as heretofore, a little at one point this year, and a little at another point next year, or, perhaps, none at all, the cost has been .|20,tl06 per mile. The distance being, as aforesaid, 40Ü miles, the cost of improving this section would be .14,060,1)00— from the, mouth of Mi.s.souri River to said Kansas City. l|3,860,000. Thus the whole cost from Siou.x City to the mouth of Mi.ssouri River, .$7,860,000, and, in less ratio, if ex¬ tended thereby the whole distance improve- position to the railroads, that the railroad carries freight for 50 per cent, less than when there is no such oiipositiou f ■ Mr. Wai.iíer. As to the average rate we have secured this year on cereal products, in my State amounts to about this : Wc are paying for transportation by lake route by Butfalo 6 cents on grain from Dulutb, and I do not think we have had to pay the 920 CONG 2 18 railways less than 24 or 2ri cents, with the exception of short periods when there was a railroad war. Although Ihave not made a stndy particularly to ascertain the com¬ parative rates, we can reach there by rail, 1 shonld say, at 24 as against ii cents by water. And that question has brought to my mind another matter. There stand to-day some of the heaviest capitalists on the continent»and some of the most ex¬ perienced steamboat men ready to guarantee, if we can secure five feet in the channel of the Mississippi River between Saint Paul and Saint Louis—they gnanintee us a rate of 7 cents from Minneapolis down to Belize. This would be about 24 cents saving on the bushel, as against the New York rate. This we regard as our chief hope and de¬ pendence. At the reque,st of the Dakota delegation I will submit here a series of resolutions adopted by the Board of Trade of Bismarck in relation to the improvement of the upper Missouri. " Résolutions passed at a convention held at Bismarck, Dak., Decemier 22, 1885. "'Resolved, That a wise National governmental policy demands that liberal appro¬ priations be made and judiciously expended for the improvement of the great natural water-ways of the Mississippi River and its important tributaries. "That the great basin or area drained by the Father of Waters and his wonderful tributaries, with its immense population, productive industry, wealth aud power, render the welfare of its millions of people and the fostering aid aud protection of. their productive resources a matter of the gravest and most indispensable national importance. "That a wise aud judicions expenditure of governmental appropriations demands that the work of improvement should be prosecuted by the Government under the direction and supervision of its corps of engineers, or that the appropriation should be made with the express condition that the work of impiovement should be com¬ menced and proceeded with to a reasonable state of completion at the head waters of .navigability of such tributaries or main stream as most needed improvement, and proceeding thence downwards, or at least devote most of the immediate improve¬ ments along the line of those rivers which invariably ireeze over during the winter, rather than such parts of said rivers as do not freeze over during the winter, for the reason that to make the lower aud unfrozen portion of the river useful the produce from the upper country must be taken to Saint Louis or Cairo before winter sets in, therefore requiring efticient transportatiou above. "That the eti'ective improvement of the Missouri River between its mouth and Fort Benton so as to render it safely navigable during the eight months it remains unfrozen would so facilitate the settlement of the whole area contained within its respective water-sheds on either side of it as to speedily result in the settlement and cultivation of the whole country along its banks for the entire distance, aud that this settlement, with its concomitant culture aud growth of trees, and the preparation of the ground by breaking aud cultivating of so vast an area, for the localization of the vast quantity of water created by the melting snows and copious rainfalls in the spring, instead of allowing it all to run off aud flood the lower river as it does in every spring, while the vast prairies are left in a state of nature,' would do more good as a preventive of the annual disasters by lower Mississippi floods than all the money that has ever been spent by the Government for the construction of dikes and em¬ bankments. "That while this course should be taken along the Missouri in the timbered ijor- tions of Minnesota and Wisconsin, everything possible shonld be done to preserve a fair proportion of the timber already left, and to continue the cultivation of trees in the treeless portions for a similar purpose. "That the construction of the Hennepin Canal is a necessity for the completion of entire system of water-ways improvements and a necessity to the full enjoyment of all other imorovemeuts. "WM. THOMPSON, " President Convention." S. Y. TuPi'Hii, of Charleston, S. C., said ; Gentlemen of the committee, we feel indebted to you for your courtesy in granting this hearing, and I intend to be exceedingly brief. We are. a 8|)ecial committee appointed by a convention held in November last, com¬ posed of delegates from seven .States iu the interest of harbors on the South Atlantic coast. The purpo.se of that convention was to present to Congress the condition of these harbors at this time, and to ask for a speedy and increased a))propriatiou to complete and carry on the works commenced by the Government on these harbors. We contend that our harbors have sutfered detriment and our commerce has been seriously injured by delays in making these appro|)riatiou8 ; and, moreover, that the. (loverninent of the United States has lost at least one or two millions by reason of dehaying the work upon these harbors. Some of these harbors have been twelve and 19 eighteen months without any work being done on them. The work that had been done will consequently have to be done over again, and there are now some of them in a state of destruction. In accordance with my promise, gentlemen, I propose to go no farther into this matter than is embraced in our memorial, which 1 would ask the liberty to read. It contains the text of our argument ; and I propose, after having read it to you, to give yon a summary of the rejiorts of the United States engineers relating to these har¬ bors, and to leave other papers with the clerk of your committee for printing or ex¬ amination. "A memorial to the honorable the Senate and House of liepresentatiees of the Congress of the United States. "The memorial of the undersigned, a special committee appointed by and in behalf of delegates from the States of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tenne8.see, and Virginia, in convention assembled at Savannah, Ga., on the 25th day of November, 188,5, respectfully showeth— " That they are charged with the duty of preparing and presenting to the Congress of the United States a memorial praying for the passage of a relief bill, immediately after its assembling and pending the passage of the regular river and harbor bill, pro¬ viding for the speedy prosecution of the works commenced by Government in the harbors on the South Atlantic coast, and now in enforced sus|>Busion from the ex¬ haustion of available appropriations; that while your memorialists approve and rec¬ ommend the improvement of all such harbors and rivers as will facilitate the com¬ merce of the whole country and promote the general good, they cannot but regard tht development of the harbors of the South Atlantic coast, and the approaches thereto, as an object of paramount importance at this time. "That in the expression of these views your memorialists have adopted the sense and language of the convention as setforth in the following resolutions unanimously adopted at Its recent session in Savannah : " ' Resolved, That the development of these harbors and the approaches thereto isa subject entitled to the highest consideration of the Congress of the United States. That it is the manifest and imperative duty of the general Government to take im¬ mediate steps to secure the safe and easy navigation of these harbors by ve.ssels of such burden as the large and growing commerce of the country demands, thus re¬ ducing the cost of freight and insurance, promoting the inland commerce of the na¬ tion, securing new avenues of foreign trade, and bringing general prosperity and in¬ creased wealth to the whole country. " 'Resolved, That the work of improving the harbors of sandy coasts is aditiittedly one of the most ditflcnlt problems in hydraulic engineering. That it is of the most vital importance to the successful and economical prosecution of such works that there should be no lack of needed funds, since the enforced suspension of operations not only delays the work, but seriously endangers its safety. " 'Resolved, That as nearly all our Atlantic harbors, and all upon the Southern coast, are of a sandy type, we regard the stoppage of these works or the embarrassment of the same from lack of t'unds as peculiarly deplorable, and in contravention of every law of economy and good policy, and with great confidence in the skill, integritj , and en¬ ergy of the officers to whom the plans and work of harbor improvement is intrusted, we earnestly recommend aud urge that in future adequate appropriations for these harbors may be made in accordance with the official estimates of the total costof the improvement, such appropriations to be applied in annual installmentsof such amounts as the exigencies of the case may require, in order that these important works may be prosecuted vigorously and in the speediest, best, and the most economical manner. " 'Resolved, That while we regard the developmentof the harbors of the South Atlan¬ tic coast and the approaches thereto as an object of paramonut importance, we recom¬ mend the improvement of such other harbors and rivers as will facilitate the com¬ merce of the whole country and promote the general good. " Resolved, That in view of the serious detriment likely to result to the various river and harbor works now in progres.s from the exhaustion of available approiiriations and the consetpient enforced smspension of work on the.se improvements, pending the passage of the regular river and harbor bill, it is the sense of this convention that Congress should, immediately after reassembling, pass a relief bill providing for the pro.secntion of these works, and an aggregate sum to be made immediately available in advance of the regular appropriation bill. " Resolved, That a special committee of one from each State represented in the con¬ vention be appointed by the chairman, to pre))are and personally present to the Con¬ gress of the United States a memorial embodying the views set forth in the foregoing resolutions, and to urge their early and favorable consideration. 20 "Your memorialists would further state that the territory they represent contaius 1Í80,817,100 acres of land, with a population of 11,824,000. Its annual cotton crop is 3,795,932 bales, which with other products of rice, wool, tobacco, naval stores, &c., aggregate the annual value of |287,110,628. "The niimberot its manufacturing e8tal)lishmcnt8 is 31,187, with a capital invested in them of $109,288,495. " Its mines of iron and coal and its quarries of granite, slate, and marble are compar¬ atively undeveloped, but are assuming gigantic growth. Its forests are to day the most valuable in this or any other country of the earth. Its railways completed and iu actual operation comprise 17,667 miles, and have invested in them the sum of $858,368,000. Its touuage, foreign and domestic, for the past year amounted to 2,311,42.3 tons. Its exhibits of commercial prosperity is encouraging and gratifying, and would be greatly increased by the aid asked for at the hands of your honorable body. " From a report of the committee on information, made to and accepted by the harbor convention, herein referred to, we extract the following; " 'Our South Atlantic ports have had for some years past appropriations from the Government for their improvement, and considerable benefit has resulted therefrom. The officers of the Uuiteil States Array who have had these improvements in charge have manifested great interest in the work, and have discharged their duties as effi¬ ciently as the limited appropriations would permit. If the funds were provided to carry out their plans and specitícatious, the work would be speedily and thoroughly accomplished. The amounts voted have been inadequate, and the cessation of work for the lack of appropriation has greatly retarded its progress and increased the ulti¬ mate cost. "' A careful examination of the record showsthat theNorth Atlantic States, Maine to Maryland, inclusive, have received for appropriations for rivers and harbors up to and including the year 1881 the sum of |24,410.5U0 ; the four States. Oliio, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan, $18,431,600; the South Atlantic States. Virginia to Florida, inclusive, .$7,268,000. We do not complain of the liberal aid which these highly fa¬ vored and prosperous States have received. We rejoice at the great prosperity, wealth, and increase of population which they enjoy as results of the wise and generous treat¬ ment they have received from the Government.' " Your memorialists trust and believe that proper efforts will attain for us the same recognition and aid, commensurate with the importance of our interests, as have been extended by the Government to other sections of the country. " Your memorialists therefore pray, as the voice of the convention they represent, that a relief bill be passed by your honorable body in advance of the regular appro¬ priation bill, and as early in the session as possible, providing for the amount abso- hitely required for the continuance of the works now iu progress and iu suspension. And further, that in due course of legislation there may be provided adequate appro- piiations, in accordance with the official estimates, for the completion of the work in the harbors of the South Atlantic coast and approaches thereto, to be applied as set forth iu the resolutions of the convention. " And your memorialists will ever prav, &c. "SAMUEL T. TUPFER, " Of South Carolina. "C. H. JONES, " Of Florida. ."JOHN SCREVEN, " Of Georgia. "F. W. KERCHNER, Of North Carolina'. "TOMLINSON FORT, " Of Tennessee. "WILLIAM LAMB, " Of Virginia." Now I propose simply to present to the committee a summary of the reports of the United States engineers in charge of these respective harbors. There are some six har¬ bors on our coast. I have as much ,as possible abbreviated the replies to the interroga¬ tories which our committee .submitted to them. Some of these rejilies are categorical and short. The Ctt airman. Are these reports from the otlicial reports of the engineers? Mr. Toppkk. The official reports of the engineers in charge of the harbors, not the re¬ ports of General Gillmore or General Newton. The Cit.viuman. I understand these are answers to interrogatories propounded by your committee to the engineers not in the official reports. Mr. Tui'PJSK. No, sir, not iu the reports; but they are the last reports of the condition of the harbors. Here are the interrogatories and replies: 21 What is the present condition of the work, and are there any marked effects of the same? Richmond, James River: The present depth to Richmond is only about 122 feet at low tide, and no marked effects have yet been produced, owing to the smallness of the only appropriation thus far made to cariy out the project. Norfolk: Condition good, and there are marked effects of the works. Wilmington, N. C. : Eighteen feet high water, navigation over 28 miles where there was only 10 feet before, and yearly foreign exports increased in last fourteen years by $3,500,000. Georgetown, S. C. : Twelve feet navigation, all year, from the ocean; obstructed by bar, with narrow channel; commerce greatly increased. Winyaw Bay: Nine feet at low water. Charleston, S. C. : Satisfactory; a marked increase in the ebb currents through the jetty channel. The channel has not yet been deepened by the jetties; they are incom¬ plete. The shoaler portions of the two shoals on the inside and on the outer slope have been reduced in area and are being swept out of the channel-way between the jetties. A succession of surveys indicate a mea.sure of activity on the part of the jetties in their incomplete condition, an activity as great as could reasonably be expected. Savannah, Ga. : Works in good condition, and their beneficial effects have been very marked. .Tacksonville, St. .John's River, Florida: The channel across the bar has been deepened from an average of 10 I'eet to 13 feet. There has been less shifting of the channel than formerly. What time has been lost by delay from inadequate appropriations? Richmond, .Tames River: It is difficult to .say. The object is to secure 22 feet at low tide from Richmond to the sea. As the project was only adopted in 1884, the time lost is of course very little. Norfolk: None to speak of. Wilmington, N. C. : Four years. Georgetown, S. C. : Four years. Winyaw Bay, none. Charleston, S. C. : For nine months and a half month work w.is entirely suspended owing to the failure of the river and harbor bill in 1883. If appropriations had been made in accordance with the recommendations of the Chief of Engineers, the work would now have been completed. Savannah, Ga. : Had adequate appropriations been granted the work could have been completed from three to five years ago. .Jacksonville, Saint .John's River, Florida: The work on the permanent or jetty channel has been idle for sixteen months, or one and one-third years, from lack of funds, more than one fourth of the time since commencement. What amount of money has been lost to Government by delays in appropriations? Richmond, .James River: Difficult to .say, as the project was only adopted in 1884.' Same answer as to time lost. Norfolk: None to spe.ak of. Wilmington, N. C. : 3 per cent, of totals. Georgetown, S. C. : 10 per cent, of totals. Winyaw Bay, none. Charleston, S. C.: 20 per cent, of the whole amount, that is, §600,000. .Savannah, Ga. : Under the pre.sent system the work costs 25 per cent. more. .Jacksonville, Saint John's River, Florida: From inadequate appropriations, $250,000. What amount of money has thus far been appropriated by Government? ^Richmond, .James River, $750,000; Norfolk, $435,000; Wilmington, N. C., $1,700,000; Georgetown, S. C., $12,000; Ch.arleston, S. C., $1,29.5,000; Savannah, Ga., $882,000; Jacksonville, Saint John's River, $525,000. What amount can be profitably expended during the ne.xt twelve months? Richmond, James River, $400,000; Norfolk, $763,300; Wilmington, N. C., $380,000; Georgetown. S. C., $20,000; Winyaw Bay, $300,000; Charleston, S. C., $750,000; Savan¬ nah, $330,000 (a larger amount will be required under a resolution for a resurvey now before Congress); Jacksonville, Saint .John's River, $600,000. What amount will jirobably be required to complete the work? Richmond, James River, $4,500,000; Norfolk, $763,300; Wilmington. N. C., $380,000: Georgetown, S. C., $30,000; Winway Bay, $880,000; Charleston, S. C., $1,712,.500; Sav.annah, $330,000; Jacksonville, Saint .John's River, $1,150,000. What time will probably be needed to complete the work if funds were provided ? Richmond, Janies River, about 11 years; Norfolk, 1 year; Wilmington, N. C., 1 year; Georgetown, S. C., 2 years; Winyaw Bay, 3 years; Charleston, S. C., about 3 years; Savannah, Ga., about 1 year; Jacksonville, Saint John's River, probably 31 years. Col. John S. Scbevkn, of Savannah, Ga., said: Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, I do not propose to take up much of the time of the committee. I know that its time is precious, and I presume the subject M ¿A has been already sufficiently presented in general terms to make the claim on the Gov¬ ernment on the part of the convention of these seven States apparently clear. The statistics which have been already presented in the memorial of the convention show sufficiently for themselves the importance of the commerce which depends on these outlets to the ocean. I may add to these figures, taking the principal ports in question, that the commerce of the city of Savannah amounts to $21,000,000 per annnm. The ton¬ nage passing in and out of that port amounts to 156,000 tons. The city of Charleston carries a commerce of $17,000,000, with a tonnage of 106,000 tons ; the ports of Norfolk and Portsmouth, $13,000,000; Wilmington, $4,000,000; and if we were to add the commerce of the ports not enumerated in the statistics of the United States for 1884, the probability is the sum total of these ports now before you asking for this help will amount to quite $60,000,000. Now let us consider the value of these ports beyond the amount of com¬ merce which is now passing through them ; and I have been very much impressed by what I have heard to-day from the gentlemen from the Northwest. They ask for the shortest and best methods of transportation to the ocean. Their minds appear to be fixed on East¬ ern transportation, when geographically, and in fact the nearest points of transportation to the Western section of this country, are the very ports now knocking at the doors of Congress lor help. The ports of Savannah, Charleston, and Norfolk are greatly nearer Saint Louis than any of the great Northern ports. I do not design in these remarks to derogate the great importance of other ports in the United States. As an American, I glory in their great usefulness, while at the same time I cannot conceal a wish that our Southern ports should partake somewhat more largely of the advantages which the Al¬ mighty has given to them. Physically we are nearer; commercially we are farther off than any other section of the country. It is easy to understand that this is due to com¬ mercial reasons; it is due to the great importance of the Western country, and the draft from the Southern country to the Northwest. We find, for instance, that the commerce of the port of Savannah ten years ago carried a commerce of $31,000,000; it now carries a commerce of $21,000,000. What is the cause of this? It is in a great measure due to the outlay of Southern products and their consumption in the Northwest, and going in a northeasterly direction by the railroads that tap these ports as they existed ten years ago. Now, if we accept this matter in that catholic and patriotic spirit which really oughr to pertain to it, it is very plain that by opening these avenues to the whole commerce of the country we give to the Northwest, and all parts of it—we give it the means of com¬ petition and of convenience which it could not possibly otherwise attain. But, Mr. Chairman, I desire not so much to lay emphasis on these'points as I wish particularly to call the attention of this committee to the marked wastefulness of the system under which harbor improvements is conducted in this country, and in doing so I will be par¬ doned if I take occasion to make same local observations. I come here not as represent¬ ing Georgia or Savannah; I comeas the representative of the convention, deputed to lay the memorial for the whole six or seven States we represented before this committee and Congress. Now, sir, the public improvements, for example in the harbor of Savannah, commenced in the year 1876, and until the recent surveys, the works the Government was attempt¬ ing and in a great measure carried out, it may be said the whole expenditure of money, including $200,000 expended by the city of Savannah, has literally been wasted. We have given appropriations; the Government has thought itself generous, but first it be¬ gan with the difficulty of establishing the constitutionality of such appropriations; that made them necessarily small, until finally the demands of the people—the demands of this vast commerce—this unlimited power behind the Government has compelled a dif¬ ferent syetem. Now, what has been the result? In this harbor—and we see it in the harbors of Charleston, Norfolk, Jacksonville—we see wherever the Government has in¬ telligently. upon a large and catholic scale, made its appropriations and carried them toa proper application under surveys by competent and well equipped Government officers, that the results of this work have been in a great measure satisfactory. But the great difficulty under which the officers have labored is not altogether the smallness of the appropriations; it is becau.se their work is very often undone almost as fastas it is done. No jetty system—no such jetty .system at tidal harbors can be permanently successful, especially as this is a sandy coast, unless the appropriations can be regular and perma¬ nent, and applied to subjects to be constructed in such a manner as to make the works absolutely secure. Why, it was only in the past summer I had the misfortune to wit¬ ness where the Government had expended a large sum on an expensive jetty, 3 or 4 miles in length—a contracting jetty on the Savannah River—and one storm, which lasted only a few hours, dragged the rock from the jetties, and indeed nearly all the work of the Government was destroyed and lost. If in that instance the Government officers had been supported, if they had had a sufficient amount of funds to make the work permanent, there could have been but one result, and no storm could have affected it. It is for these reasons that we come here under the letter of these resolutions and in 23 no other spirit that the scheme of the Government in regard to the application of its ap¬ propriations may be changed, and that a full sum under estimates looking to the final and absolute completion of these works shall he made. A nd in order that I may make myself entirely clear about this I will take the liberty of reading a printed extract from a newspaper which I personally know comes direct from the pen of good scientific authority. (The speaker here read a long newspaper article entitled "Suggestions respecting river and harbor legislation. " ) ' What I have to say here of the Savanna River will apply to other cities lying at the mouths of silt-bearing streams on the South Atlantic'coast. This one is mentioned by me simply because it falls under my observation every day. 'Phe Savannah River is a great sediment-bearing stream, and thousands of cubic yards of sand are brought down and deposited in the channel every year. To give relief to commerce this must be dredged away, and the first application of an appropriation is to this purpose. If the appropriation is small, there will not then be enough money left over to construct works of contraction to scour out these deposits (or prevent their Ibriua- tion), and the result is that the dredging must be done every year. If suitable appro¬ priations were granted the improvements could be made permanent, and work once done would be over with. At Savannah some contracting works have already been built and their beneficial eifects have been very marked, but their development has been greatly retarded and their cost greatly increased by insufficient funds. The plant needed to do a small amount of work is j u.st about as large as that needed to do a Tnuch greater amount, and it is evident that economical work cannot be done under these conditions except with adequate grants of money. With small and irregular grants of money it sometimes happens that the works, in their incomplete state, lie over one or more sea¬ sons. Great deterioration must necessarily take place, and thus the cost is increased. John H. Leeds, of New Haven, Conn., said: Mr. Chairman, I thank you for giving me permission at this time to fulfill my duty. I appear, in connection with my associates, in behalf of the New Haven breakwater im¬ provements. This is a subject that has long been before the Government and recom¬ mended by its highest engineers; has been commenced, and is partially done; it is in good progress, and in my opinion is a good work. I judge, gentlemen, it is a good work by comparison with works abroad of the same character, and my observation of this work is not limited; it is full, ample, and complete, and I beg your attention in behalf of the harbor there of our interests and of our national interests. Mr. Stone. Are you speaking of the harbor or breakwater? Mr. Leeds. They are both incidentally the same. The built breakwater locks in the ice in a manner very bad tor navigation at present; but when completed the breakwater then turns the tide in such a manner as to secure a scour in the channel and destroy the ice and deepen the water. Therefore dispatch, progress with the work, is abso¬ lutely necessary. I have no pet theory to advance about this work. The work of the engineers, and their reports of it as we have followed them for years, is full, ample, and sufficient, well recommended, and, as I say, in my opinion in keeping with the best works of their kind in this country and abroad, and of great national importance. I have nothing to say against any other place that may want appropriations. From the remarks I have heard here in relation to the Mississippi and Atlantic seaboard the points and recom¬ mendations are all well made, and I believe it is wise and judicious for this Government to press forward in the direction of their improvement. I speak as an importer, as a person vvho has charge of vast interests in foreign coun¬ tries, in producing crude materials brought to this country for manufacture, and having had opportunities of observing the most extensive and important works of this kind—at Alexandria, the mouth of the Nile, in Italy, France, and even in the little islands in the Grecian Archipelago where the governments have done such work, to say nothing of the great works going on in France on channel and seacoiist where their whole dependence is breakwaters and works of this kind and character. I know your time and patience do not admit of any details in this direction; they are not necessary. I simply appear in behalf of our people to urge a liberal appropriation in order that we may proceed with dispatch with a full corps of engineers. I am an en¬ gineer myself and know something of what I speak. The Chairman. Who is the engineer in charge of the work ? Mr. Leeds. Colonel McFarland. Maj. C. W. Raymond, U. S. A., said: Mr. Chairman, the report which was submitted to the Chief of Engineer on the 1st of July last, and which I presume is before the committee, brings down everything to that time; and since that time there has been some money expended, of course, on the harbor, 24 on works for which tliis money had been allotted previous to that time—some works of protection, and also the hydraulic service, and in the upper harbor of Boston. This year all along the New England coast, and I presume all along the Atlantic coast, there were very serious storms. In November we had five days of northeartern storms, which were said to he much heavier than any storm in 1851, which carried away the Minot Rock light-house. Then after that I went up and down the coast, examining the works in my charge. I examined them very carefully, but had scarcely got through with that examination when we had another gale on the 26th of December, which was worse than the ones in November, because the tide was 9 inches higher than the extrem- est tide ever observed before. That storm did an enormous amount of damage to ship¬ ping, and it did more damage to the works than the November storms. I have always made the estimates for the repair of the construction in the outer harbor, and this year 1 made an estimate and submitted it, but now if 1 were to estimate it again I would have to make itlarger. We really wantnotonly the money wehave askedfor, but we oughtto have about $10,000 more for the repairs of these works in the outer harbor—exactly how much I cannot say, because we have not been able to make an estimate. In respect to the Boston Harbor there were two things to be done. One was the widen¬ ing of t he main ship-channel in the inner harbor—a very important work, which I have fully discussed in my report before the committee, and which work appears now to be still more important than before simply because in the past year we have had agreat many collisions in the main ship-channel. That ought to be widened. Then the other thing in which General Collings is interested is the deepening of the channel at Fort Point. I recommended that channel .should be deepened so that vessels drawing 18 and 20 feet of water could go up at all stages of the tide. I thought it proper that that work should be undertaken by the Government because of its great im¬ portance, and they pay $8,000,000 revenue to the Government, and it would seem the expenditure of $100,000 for that work would be justified. Mr. Stone. There is the Fort Point channel and the lower middle Major Raymond. The lower middle is what I refer toas the main ship-channel. That is now 600 feet wide at its narrowest point. The Chairman. Is the recommendation as to the Fort Point channel a new matter in the report ? Major Raymond. It is entirely new. It is a survey. It is not in my charge. The survey was made by me under an order of Congress of July 5, 1884. I made that survey and submitted it. I mention it now simply because I understood from Colonel Stone that General Collings was interested in it. I thought it would be a good thing to be done when Congress saw fit to do it. The Chairman. What is the immediate necessity for that? Major Raymond. There is no immediate necessity—not the slightest; it has been so always; but these vessels crowd in there, and when high water comes they can go on up. Then, as I say, they pay $8,009,000 to the Government, and it would be a great con¬ venience to them to have the channel deepened. It is no more necessary now, though, than it was five years ago, but when the time comes and Congress sees fit to expend that money it will he, I think, a useful thing to do, and I thought it would be justified. It is very different, however, with this lower middle which Colonel Stone speaks of—what I call the main ship-channel. Colonel Stone. As to the relative importance of these different improvements, how do you rank the improvement of the Fort Point channel compared with the lower middle. Major Raymond. I think the lower middle is the most important, because all the vessels would be benefited by that. The Chairman. What is the recommendation as to the lower middle? Major Raymond. I recommended $128,000. The sum should be a pretty good one, becau.se it is hard to get contracts. Colonel Stone. General Collings, in his testimony, said that he had an idea from what he had heard that there was some ledge in the channel. I want you to state to the com¬ mittee whether there is any ledge there, and how you explain this fact? Major Raymond. These ves.sels come in here if it is hazy; it is so narrow, and then these great steamers coming in, by law they are required to keep away from little ve,s.sels, and sometimes they get on the sides of the channel, and then the pilots say there is a ledge. There is no ledge at all. They get a hundred yards out of the way and the pilot is to blame, and he says there is a ledge, but there is no ledge. The channel is too narrow; it ought to be widened. The.se troubles will always occur, and the reason they occur now more than formerly is because the vessels are larger. Colonel Stone. Now, about that Boston harbor. You said the storms did considerable damage to it; how did that damage occur? Major Raymond. Tiiat was in the outer harbor, where sea-walls are. A good many of them are old walls. I cannot recommend anything as to that, because I have not had time to make an estimate. 25 Colonel Stone. The outworks at the mouth of the harbor have been badly damaged by storms? Major Raymond. Yes. Some of it ought to be attended to right away, and some will have to wait until the engineer taking my place makes an estimate of its cost. Colonel Stone. State what is the condition of the Sandy Bay. Major Raymond. One hundred thousand dollars was appropriated by Congress, and I wasinstructed to expend that money in fixing the breakwater. I wascalling for a project for the expenditure of the money and no proj ect had been made by the Department. It is very difficult to make a project with that amount of money for work of such magnitude; but, whatever project was adopted, the Board of Engineers said my line was the best line that could be taken, and that the foundation of the substructure must be of rubble-stone. I recommended that the money be spent for that, and we made the contract for the ex¬ penditure of the money in that and the base, 70 cents for the long ton, and we got a con¬ tract at 58.3 cents, a little inside the estimate; and now 123,000 tons of rubble-stone are being put down under that contract. That is the exact condition of it now. Colonel Stone. What is the condition of that contract? How much money does it ap¬ propriate ? Major Raymond. That will take all the money that is now available—about $95,0( lO— with the exception of $6,000, which was reserved for the commencement of the pier on Avery's Ledge next spring; but if I had remained in charge I should have) recommended that that should not be commenced. Colonel Stone. How much should be expended there? MajorRAYMOND. Thebest opinion I can give is the old report I made. About $400,000 a year could be spent to advantage in putting in rubble-stone in that line. That is the most that could be spent with advantage. But of course if that breakwater is going tn be built the plans ought to be carefully considered. My opinion is made by data from the first report I marte. I think the superstructure of that work ought to be built of concrete bags up to high water. I think that is the cheapest; but liow much it Wv)uld cost I could not say. It is made in Scotland, and somebody would have to go there to investigate; and to build it you have to have a good deal of plant. The Engineer De¬ partment has not considered any definite plans for that work yet. This rubble base is being built by my preliminary plan. Colonel .Stone. That work under way don't affect the character of the superstructure ? Major Ray.mond. Not at all. If I were the engineer I would build the superstruct¬ ure up with concrete l)ags and then put masonry on top. Colonel Stone. Now as to the work on the iMerritnac River. Major Raymond. That is very important. Th it consists of two converging jetties which were commenced for the purpose of not only deepening the channel but to preserve that depth, and it is avery interesting work. The break waters have been built up for a certain extent and then further extended up to low water. So as they now exist there is a danger to navigation instead of an advantage; and, moreover, there is danger of the mouth of the river being destroyed unless the work is carried on. I think they ought to be completed as soon as possible. I think there is great danger of the mouth of the river being destroyed. I think that ought to be done before anything else. Colonel .Stone. How long is your northern breakwater there? Ma,jor Raymond. At full height about 1,590 feet, and up to low-water mark about 1,100 feet more, making 2,600 feet already built. The e.xact figures are 1,540 built up full height, and 1,145 to low water. That is to prevent scouring. Chares Henry Tow.n.shend, of Long Island, .said: Mr. Chairman. I shall be brief, in what I have to say before this committee. I have taken a great interest in this matter of the improvement of our harbors and have made it soraewh.at of a study. For twenty-five years I have been connected with European commerce. For sixteen years I was in command of ocean steamers and packet-.ships, the last being a ship of 5,000 tons, the American steamship Ontario. I was brought up as a carrier, taking out the British and continental mails to France and England. I am by profession a mariner, being a native ofthat part of the country up there; and this scheme of harbor improve¬ ments has become interesting to me, as I have often been benefited by such improvements on foreign coasts, and after I retired from sea I saw the importance of such improvements near us. I will mention that in 1879 the United States Government ordered constructed for the general benefit a national work in that breakwater at New Haven, which was in the case of Long Island Sound, an area of 5 square miles with 30 feet of water at low tide, for a port of refuge and for general benefit to the commerce of Long Island Sound—the lines of immense steamers going through the sound—and by so doing establish a port of refuge for these vessels in stormy weather. We have nothing on the coast that is as important as this breakwater recommended by the United States Engineer Corps and now in course 26 of construction. Now, the point I wish to make is this: that its importance to com¬ merce has been proved recently by the enormous amount of shipping that has anchored under the work as it is constructed now. There have been built something like 2,000 feet and made a refuge covering an area of perhaps half a square mile, but it is not large enough, and vessels come in now under the lee of this breakwater and take refuge in the fair way of the channel leading up to the docks, and in so doing block the entries to the port; and the point is to continue the structure in order that vessels seeking refuge in the channel can go under the breakwater as represented on this map. The Chairmaîî. You speak of continuing the breakwater. You do not mean that you are going to continue it any further than the Board of Engineers recommend? Mr. Townsheîjd. No, sir. At present the breakwater is built, as represented by this line, some 2,000 feet. Now, there is just enough built to make it an objection, for the reason that the currents have not been guided as was intended by the engineers. The current has been carried oUtof its course and has formed .sockets and gulleys at the bot¬ tom and carried the débris and sand over across the channel and made bars where before it was deep water. Now, if that work had been continued as proposed by the engineers, and as we expected it would be, the current in the channel would have run down right through the channel in a direct course, and have carried the débris out to sea, and not made these pockets, which now are becoming very annoying, and will take a great deal of material to fill up, because it is in the line of the breakwater as now being constructed. The point we wish to make is this: that a large appropriation be granted, so as to be of some use to us, instead of getting it in little dribbles as heretofore. So far the amount of material is not large enough to make much difterence with the tidal course. I do not know that it is necessary for me to enlarge on the amount and value of the commerce that passes through Long Island Sound to New York, and seeks refuge under these breakwaters, but the president of the Corn Exchange of New York made a state¬ ment the other day that there is a greater value goes to New York through Long Island Sound than over Sandy Hook Bar, for the reason that the large steamers carry enormous deck loads ; and when you come to make an estimate of the value it is something enormous. We estimate that there is a million dollars in value brought to the port of New York each day in the year—136.5,000,000 taken out of the port of New Haven, and the amount that passes through Long Island Sound is fabulous; it goesinto the billions. It isa com¬ mon thing to look from where I live and .see a hundred and fifty sailing vessels there. The Great Eastern passed within 8 miles of this breakwater when she located near Port Morris, and there are other large steamers that are talking of seeking New York by this way; in fact, the Winans intend to come through Long Island Sound and seek a port of discharge somewhere about Port Morris. So in the near future New York must be approached by the largest steamers in the world by that way. I speak from personal knowledge of these matters, having been piloted both by way of Sandy Hook and Long Island Sound, and having often piloted my own ships with not over 26 feet of water—with only 1 foot of water under the ship more than she drew. ■ The improvements that we ask ought to have been commenced fifty years ago, and by having them made now the benefit to commerce in general will be very, very great. There was one day last December that I counted one hundred and eighteen large ships and vessels lying back of this breakwater at New Haven; my brothers and several other gentlemen were present at the time—I think it was the 10th of last December. This point on the map indicates my residence; I have looked over the sound all my life. \Ye counted one hundred and eighteen ships and vessels anchored in the fairway. It was very difficult for the steamers to get up and down. Now, the point is to continue this breakwater as recommended, and to make this a port of refuge down to this point [in¬ dicating] so as to relieve the channel. A Member. How ifequently do big storms come, compelling vessels to seek that shelter? Mr, Townshend. We have two or three storms in the fall, and two or three in the winter when vessels run here for refuge. The steamers bound out forNew York start at 4 or5 o'clock in the evening, and they have very often to put in here for refuge. A Member. Is that a matter of convenience to the vessels ora matter of absolute ne- cessity ? Mr. Townshend. A matter of absolute necessity. A. M i;mber. Are there no other places convenient at which they can seek shelter? Mr. Townshend. No, sir; this is a rock-bound coast the whole length. There are no harbors except the one at New London, and that is too far off to be of advantage. The seiis running up here [indicating] as heavy as anywhere in the world. I have been lying in the downs with a Heetof ships riding a terrific gale; Inever found a place where there is as much sea in a gale as here. And then we have trouble from ice in the winter time; men are frostbitten, and they come in here for protection, to take the men to the hospital. A Me.mbkk, As a matter of fact, are there many disasters occur there? 27 Mr. Townshknd. Yes, sir; frequently. We lost a number of vessels lately on this little bend of tbe coast—ships have gone to pieces there. A vessel was lost a week ago, and nobody on it ever heard from. The pilots were telling me about it, and said if that breakwater had been built every soul on board of that vessel would have been saved. Then another thing is we have a tremendous barge system through the sound as far as Providence, R. I., and Somerset, and around the cape to Boston. They start from New York and come up here, and they come here and anchor; in making a voyage to New London it is the natural stoppage place. A Member. How do the disasters along through there compare with the number of ve.ssels passing backwards and Ibrwards as around Boston? Mr. Townshenp. They are not as frequent, for the reason that it is a well-knit coast; and then again there are places you can run into and get under the lea and anchor in different spots. They are not as frequent as at Cape Cod, and then this is a more thickl}' settled country around here. Even if they get into trouble they can get in somewhere or get relief from somebody. There we have these oyster dredges—-a tremendous in¬ dustry. These dredges, which are steamboats, are constantly working backwards and forwards there, and vessels very often get assistance and reftige by them. A Member. I had been under the impression that this improvement would be more a matter of convenience than necessity; that vessels starting from New York by means of it could save a few miles perhaps, and therefore it would be more a matter of con¬ venience than necessity. Mr. Townshend. Our memorial of 1879 is signed by the largest houses-in the United States, representing commerce from Maine to Georgia. It is not a local aifair; it is a great national work. Here we have a place, two and a half miles long, that there is no less than 29 or 30 feet of water. The day is coming when we will have heavy war ves¬ sels that could not get through there, but the Government by getting protection here can give their ves.sels a rendezvous. It is an open sheet of water that I believe to be the most valuable on the American coast. This sheet of water on Long Island Sound is a good anchorage all the year. The combined navies of the world could rendezvous there, and come in and out without trouble; and here we have a hill for harbor defenses, and approaches to the city of New York must face the sound. Mr. SPEKEY. When you were asked awhile ago if there were other places of refuge along there, you said yes. I would like to know where there is a single one. Mr. Tow'NSHEND. 1 never said there were others. There is not a single one. There are places for sloops, but not for large vessels. I am talking now of vessels of large ton¬ nage—vessels that must approach New York in the near future of deep draught. As I have shown the Great Eastern came backward and i'orward there, and the large vessels of the l'ail River line have used that. And here is another advantage in the navigation of Long Island Sound. The Gulf Stream coming over here [indicating] makes a warm current that brings down the ice¬ bergs from Nantucket and in over the Jersey "beach, and the two waters meeting—hot and cold—makes a fog, and that prevents the steamers from getting in the bar of Sandy Hook, while the land breezes will keep Long Island Sound perfectly clear, and the coast¬ ers will seek their passage through the sound bound to Virginia, because it is clearer and better navigation, and that is why it will be used by large steamers that sail on schedule time. The great ships now have great difficulty in crossing Sandy Hook. If they approach by Long Island Sound they can pass on time. 'fo show the detriment that Sandy Hook is, coming in two years ago we arrived at the bar at 7 o'clock in the morning. We were all ready to go right up, but the tide had fallen about an hour, and there was considerable surf on the bar, and we de¬ cided to wait over for the return flood. That made it necessary lor us to wait ten hours—tive for the tide to ebb and five to rise. The consequence was we lost ten hours, and we did not get up till dark. We lost our mail for that day, and it was a great dis¬ advantage to the ship. Now, when they can save a day by coming through the sound these big ships will approach New York from this direction. My friend, Mr. Sperry, will probably enlarge more fully on the amount and value of commerce passing backwards and forwards. The point with us is to get a liberal appro¬ priation—something to enable us to go ahead and put in the material and make it so it will be of some use to us. At present the tide makes a whirl around this commence¬ ment of the breakwater and cuts pockets in the bottom. The breakwater is built 2,009 feet. Instead of scouring here [indicating] the tide has gone eastward and made a pocket that will have to be filled up, and the whirl of the tide around against this jetty has carried the sands over here and is dumped into the channel there. [Indicating.] Mr. Sperey. I think you are misleading the committee by your remarks there. I understood you to say that building the breakwater there is doing that. You mean to say that as now constructed—^so little being constructed—it does that, but when it is completed it will not do that? 28 Mr. Townshend. That is what I take it you understand from me. As General New¬ ton said, this is a most important work. General Wright has said it was a wonder it was not commenced fifty years ago. He said, we have recommended a liberal appro¬ priation because of its importance. If you go to work and throw us a little stone and leave that work unfinished for several years you will do a great damage, and that is what is being done. N. D. Spebey, of New Haven, Conn., said: Mr. Chairman, I will simply say I have no statistics to give, nor is it necessary. The statistics given in relation to the enormous amount of traffic going through Long Island Sound was named at the time the breakwater was commenced. The engineers heard all that statement, giving the amount of goods transported through Long Island Sound and by this proposed breakwater as 1,300,000,000. But it is not necessary to go into that because the engineers had all that before them, and iVom that and other reasons, in view of the location of this breakwater, was the reason they recommended to the Gov¬ ernment of the United States to build this great national work for the purpose of pro¬ tecting the commerce fioated upon the Sound. They investigated all that matter, and they reported to Congress, and the Government has commenced that work. You have just gone far enough by giving us the small driblets that it is operating differently now from the way it would operate if the two breakwaters were built. As a sample, the débris is filling up the harbor, and you are spending |20,000 a year now to takeout what fills in in consequence of this work not being finished. I have not come here to advo¬ cate the necessity of the breakwater; that has been determined. I am before this com¬ mittee for the purpose of saying to you that as an economical measure, the Government having undertaken this work, it should be finished at once, and in order to do that your appropriation should be free and liberal, because it would hea saving to the Government to do it. As it is now, in its unfinished state, it adds to the national expense year by year. Now, General Newton, General Towen, and Major Barrow were the engineers who located this, and in my presence they said there was no place on the coast from Florida to Maine that was as important as the construction of this breakwater here. The construction of this breakwater with the one on the opposite side, when it is com¬ pleted according to the estimates and plans of the engineers, will keep the channel clear completely of the sands which now lodge in it because of its unfinished state. Vessels in that channel as it is now cannot go under the lee; if they do they stop up the chan¬ nel which goes to the harbor. So thick have the vessels been there that it is impo.ssible for the steamers to go in and out. So, with the construction of this breakwater, bereis a place the vessels can lie in safety, but if they lie here it blocks it up. ' In relation to the ice: This little piece being built, it fills the channel each winter with ice so thick it is almost impossible for the vessels to get through; they have to cut their way through; but when that breakwater is built the ru.sh of the tide will be so rapid it will be impossible for it to fill up; it will give such impetus to the water it will be deepening all the time instead of filling up. Therefore I would urge upon the committee with all the power I possess—I urge on you as an economic measure to fin¬ ish that which the Government has begun. I do not want your appropriations to he .so small that they will he just about large enough to pay for the expense of dredging made necessary by not having this work completed. I know you are economic gentlemen and understand the value oí' dollars and cents, and the necessity of giving us such an appro¬ priation that it can be finished and avoid year after year being called on to dredge out that channel, which is now necessary in consequence of the breakwater not being fin¬ ished. Now, you spoke of disasters. Why, every year there are disasters about these points [here indicating on map] the gales beingso severeand no protection. It has only been two years ago that several vessels were sunk there, and the sailors clung to the tops of the masts, and other brave sailors went out to rescue them aud were taken in a frozen state to the hospital, and you gentlemen of Congress voted medals to the men who went to the rescue. Had this work been completed there would have been no necessity for it; they could have come in there and the lives of these brave men that were destroyed would have been saved. And one of the objects for blowing out Hell Gate was to give a better passage up and down the Sound. It is a part of this great plan, for the purpose of bringing them this way instead of the other, because it is nearly 60 miles nearer Liverpool than the other. That is the reason you spent money for Hell Gate; and this breakwater is a part of that work. Now, to complete this breakwater give us an appropriation that will complete it, and thereby save the Government a large expense year after year in dredging the channel. The two works are interwoven and will continue to be a necessity until these two walls of breakwater are completed in accordance with the ideas of these distinguished United States engineers. I do not want your appropriation so small that you will be giving a dollar lu one direction and spending a dollar in another. I cannot urge it too forcibly. It is not a local matter; it is a great national work, and so intended to be. ' Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee: The Northwestern convention held in Saint Paul in September last passed a series of resolutions, and it also appointed a committee of one, as General Henderson has already informed you, to call the attention of this committee to one of these resolutions and ask for it your favorable consideration. That resolution reads as follows: "■Resolved, That in the opinion of this convention annual appropriations of §25,000,- 000 for the improvement of the rivers and harbors of the United States and the construc¬ tion of artificial water-ways would not be extravagant, and could be expended so as to enrich the country far beyond the amount so appropriated." I will simply say that that convention was composed of delegates from every important place .throughout the length and breath of the valley of the Mississippi and from a great many.important places beyond the limits of that valley. I am aware, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, that $25,000,000 is far in excess of any ap¬ propriations for the improvement of rivers and harbors and the construction of artificial water-ways ever recommended in a single year by this committee or approved by the ac¬ tion of Congress. You will notice the resolution is this, that in the opinion oí the con¬ vention an annual appropriation of $25,000,000 for that purpose would not be extrava¬ gant; that is the substance of it. The question is, would such an amount be extravagant or unreasonable? I think the committee will agree with me that that depends entirely upon the extent of the improvements contemplated, the importance and urgency of these improvements, and the financial ability of the Government to make appropriations of that amount. Let us consider, then, these conditions. First, the financial ability of theGovernment, or the wealth of the nation, for upon that evidently all hinges. In 1850 the estimated wealth of this nation of the United States was $7,000,000,000; in I860, $16,000,000,000; in 1870, $30,000,000,000, and in 1880 almost $44,000,000.000, and at a less increase per annum, it is very reasonable to suppose that at the present time it is not less than $50,- 000,000,060. So much for the ability of this nation financially. The extent of the improvements contemplated, as you all know, embraces nearly the extentof the United States. Who is it, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, that ask for these appropriations and these improvements? It is the farmers, the producers ; those who would use the improvements if made. What special claim has that class of our people to the favorable consideration of this committee and the tavorahle action of Congress? Why, sir, they produce the bread and meat upon which the nation lives. And not only that. From the inauguration of the internal revenue department they have paid about 83 per cent, of tbat revenue until the present day; they have produced more than 80 per cent, of the entire exports of this country for the last sixty years. So much for their claims, and now what shall we say as to the importance, the urgency of these appropriations and these improvements? I hope, gentlemen, to be able to con¬ vince you, if you are not convinced already, that they are not only important and urgent but absolutely indispensable. I ought to have stated when speaking of the wealth of the nation the prophecy made by Mr. Gladstone, the great English statesraau, who in 1881 prophesied that in 1883 the United States would be the richest nation in the world, and he was roundly abused by some of the journals of his own country for thus appearing to magnify the apparent financial greatness of this country. No man questions now the fulfillment of that proph¬ ecy, for this is, beyond all question, the richest nation in the world. Mr. Blanchaed (in the chair). We stand fourth among the nations in our foreign commerce. We are e.xceeded by England, Germany, and France. Mr. Doee. It would be a little digression from what I intended to say, hut with the permission of the chairman I will make a reply to that. When we speak of the magni¬ tude of American commerce we do not take into account interstate commerce ; it is simply foreign. But England in estimating its foreign commerce treats the commerce of its own colonies as foreign. Deduct that and you will find that our commerce exceeds theirs by $20,000,0(10, or did a year or .so ago. But the very thing I am coming to is to make some provision against a still greater decreasing tendency of the American commerce. I desire to show you that these.im¬ provements are absolutely indispensable, and especially to the cereal-growing portions of the country; and 1 think when you coirsider the question you will come to the conclusion finally that they are scarcely le.ss important to the nation at large. Why, gentlemen, the value of every acre of wheat and corn producing land in the great valley of the Missis¬ sippi depends in a great measure upon these improvements. They now as you know not only produce bread suilicient (or home consumption, but an enormous surplus for export. J. C. Doek, of Chicago, 111., said; 30 Mr. Blanchard (in the chair). Is not the same true of the cotton-producing coun¬ try ? Mr. Doee. I will answer you on that point when I get through with this, if you will remind me. Now, if the producers caunot find a foreign market for this surplus, they will not produce it. Hence neither the railroads nor the water routes will have an op¬ portunity to transport it. General Grosvenor. What do you say to this proposition ? Looking at it from a self¬ ish standpoint, as a representative of the central portion of the United States east of the Rocky Mountains, why should we legislate to spend the money of the country to cheapen the transportation of the commodities of the Northwest into the markets of the East, and thereby lower the value of every foot of laud in the great interior portion of the coun¬ try? Why shoitld the Government undertake to bring the Northwest into the same jux¬ taposition to the markets of the United States that the central portion is ? Mr. Dore. I am much obliged for the inqitiry, and should have answered it before I got through if I had time, but lest I should forget it I will answer it now. It is not every State in the Union, by any manner of means, that raises wheat enough for itself. I intend to show yoit that iny own State has very little interest in certain measures in contemplation, because they will not be benefited at all by certain improvements asked for; but those States to which you refer will be benefited, because they are buyers and will get the benefit of cheaper transportation. What I propose to say will have for its general tendency the improvement of our internal water-ways, to the end that we may find a foreign market for our surplus. Is it not clear when we ship these products cheaply to the seaboard we give them correspondingly cheaper to the consumers all along the Atlantic coast? A Member. The objection General Grosvenor would make is that while you are de¬ creasing the cost to the consumer in these older States, you are at the same time afl'ect- ing the price of what they produce in these States of the same articles, wheat and corn. Mr. Lore. I do not understand the gentleman to have asked the question in a frac¬ tious spirit, but only as an inquiry. General Grosvenor. I hope I am organized on a broader scale than that. Mr. Blanchard. Is it not true that if the producer of the Northwest can find a market for their products where they can realize a profit on them, that they can then purchase more liberally of the manufacturers of our section of the country, and that thus both prosper ? Mr. Dore. Unless they sell their surplus they will have nothing to buy anything with. To be more specific. I happen to be originally from New England—away up in New Hampshire. I need not tell you how barren that country is—how little it pro¬ duces, and how much it costs to produce it. When I was a boy they paid a dollar a bushel for corn, and I never heard one of them complain because they could buy it for 50 or 60 cents now. I think they rejoice at it, because they can do something better. But I said the value of the farming lands in the valley of the Mississippi depends on this very question—ability to transport and find a market for their surplus. Hence it is we have this general cry, coming from the Northwe.st, West, and Southwest as well, "Improve our water-ways." That is the drift of all I have heard before this committee. It is impossible for you. gentlemen, or anybody, to remember one-half or one-quarter of the facts and statements we have heard, but there is one general sentiment runs through the whole—liberal appropriations, cheaper transportation. We must have it. Do not delay, for the emergency is upon us. That is the burden of their song. Is this a false cry? Let us see what is the matter. You know, gentlemen, it is ruinous compe¬ tition in the great foreign markets of the world, made possible by statesmanlike liber¬ ality of foreign nations in furnishing the cheapest possible transportation for their prod¬ ucts, and shall I say the illiberality of our legislators in refusing to do the same thing for the same purpo.se, thereby preventing us from making the most of our great and su¬ perior natural advantages. Let me call your attention to the results of this ruinous and parsimonious policy on the part of the Government. In 1880, as you doubtless know, our cereal exports amounted to '284,000,000 bushels— that is reducing Hour to bushels, and including corn and corn-meal; and the estimated value ofthat amount of cereals was .$'288.000,000. In 1883, the amount was reduced from '284,000,000 to 176,000,000; and in 1884 it was reduced from 176,000,000 to 151,000.000, estimated value $162,000,000; reduction in the amount of exjiorts in four yeiirs, $126,000,000; and still the internal improve¬ ments of our competitors, in supplying the markets of the world with bread, goes on seemingly almo.st regardless of expense. Especially is this true with Russia and Great Britain, and Germ;iny, it appears, is again anxious to enter the field of competition. She has recently built a ship-canal, connecting what is known as Lucbach Bay with the North Sea, thereby reducing the transportation on wheat, it is said, 6 cents a bushel. .She has also completed surveys for improvements of her rivers and harbors, and for the 31 construction of canals at an estimated cost of more than $100,000,000. Russia has just completed one ship-canal, length and expense not given, and is now engaged in improv¬ ing the river Volga and constrircting a canal to connect with the river Don, estimated expense not given, but the estimated saving in transportation 7 cents a bushel on wheat. The extent of canals in 1884 in Russia was 900 miles. Mr. Stone. Do you know where these canals are? Mr. Dore. Only as I find them on the map. Mr. Stone. Do you know where the points of contact are with the Volga and Don? Mr. Dore. My information is that it is not agreat way from the sea. France in 1879 passed a law requiring all canals in that country, classed as principal lines of communi¬ cation, to be deepened to 7 leet 4 inches, and requiring all locks in such canals to have sufficient water on their sills to allow vessels free passage drawing 6 feet 6 inches of water. The mileage of the French canals and rivers completed is 7,069 ; projected and to be completed 1,813—total, 8,882; total cost of those completed, $218,000,000; esti¬ mated cost of those to be completed, $200,000,000 more. Gentlemen, I wish to contrast this with the expenditures of the United States. The enti re appropriations for all internal improvements of this country since the foundation of the Government is only $111,000,000, and the amount expended on them is one hun¬ dred and five and three-quarters millions. Gentlemen, the statement of figures I have given, and propose to give, are so astound¬ ing that I have deemed it prudent to bring my authorities with me, lest some of you may think I am drawing on my imagination for my facts. Here I have the " Administration report of the railways in India for 1884-'85, " and here is a statement " exhibiting the moral and material progress and condition of India during 1882-'83. " Mr. Blanchard. Does that blue-book you have contain the statistics of expenditures in France? Mr. Dore. It is in some of the books I have here. Here is a statement of the rivers and canals by Mr. Vernon Harcourt, member of the English Parliament, and here is another by Sir Charles Hartley. You doubtless are aware that canals in the East Indies are used for both irrigation and transport. We find here the capital outlay up to the end of the fiscal year 1882-'83—the expenditures for canals alone was $103,800,000—as much within about $2,000,000 have they spent there on canals for transport and irriga¬ tion as this entire country has expended on all its internal improvements ifoni the foun¬ dation of the Government until now. In 1879 a limit of $12,500,000 was fixed as the maximum sum to be borrowed in a single year on account of public works which might be appropriated at the discretion of the Government between railways and irrigation. That would make, as you see, at least $25,000,000 to be added to what I have already stated for two years. But mark this, although the limit was fixed to the amount to be borrowed, no limit was fixed to the amount that might be expended, provided the amount so spent was provided out of the current revenue of the year. It looks as if they were in earnest about internal improvements over there. In 1882-'83 the mileage of canals was 1,341 miles, the rivers navigable 18,633 miles. Mr. Bayne. I observe on this map you have referred to that the railroads seem to run parallel with the rivers. Mr. Dore. I understand that there is no hostility there between the water ways and the railroads at all. They are both run to one end—cheap transportation. Gentlemen, you have doubtless noticed that that Government notonly builds canals—this is applica¬ ble to what Mr. Bayne has said—you have doubtless noticed that the Government not only builds canals, but fosters, owns, and subsidizes certain railroads and guarantees dividends on the cost of construction of others. Length of railroads sanctioned and opened in 1883, 12,6251 miles. Total outlay lor railroads $741,500,000 State investment in railroads - ^ 156, 800, 000 Government or State loss on all railroads for twenty-four years; that is, from 1859 to 1883 124,750,000 The Government has lost that much in fostering railroads in the interest of cheap transportation; which you will see is about $20,000,000 7nore than the expenditures this Government has made altogether for public improvements, internal and external. Mr. Willis. Have you any data as to the nature of this loss? You .say the Govern¬ ment lost so much. Mr. Dore. That is all to be found in these books. All this, gentlemen, and I know not how much more, is done by our competitors for cheap transportation for the benefit of the producers, and for the benefit of their respective governments as well. How it is that countries so small as France and Germany—either of which added to all the New England States would scarcely equal in extent the State of Texa.s—how it is they can afford to spend so much for public improvements, and that this vast country with its 32 boundless resources and unequaled wealth can aSbrd to spend so little for the same purpose, is past finding out. Consider, gentlemen, the burdens under which these countries labor; their great stand¬ ing armies, their great navies, their great national debts—France with more than 500,000 soldiers in her standing army, 302 ships of war, and 50,000 marines, at an an¬ nual expense of $115,000,000, and a public debt of four and three-quarters billions— almost twice the amount which our national debt ever was—and yet the Government is not embarrassed; population, 37,000,000. Germany has a standing army of 450,000 men, supported at an annual expense of $90,600,000, 86 men-of-war and 15,000 seamen, at what expense I do not know. Great Britain, and I may say every nation in Europe, carries a similar burden, yet none hesitate to make all needed appropriations for internal improvements. Mr. Blanchard. Would it not be proper to say, if we were to take one-half of what it costs France, England, or Germany to maintain their standing armies—such armies as we do not maintain—and put that in improvements, it would accomplish a great deal of good? Mr. Dore. Inferentially I am on the same line. The United States has no such bur¬ den. It is a common saying that we have no navy, and our Army is little more than sufficient for a national police; and yet, forsooth, with an immense annual surplus of revenue, how many of our legislators will say this great nation of 60,000,000 of people, and having now $50,000,000,000 of wealth, cannot afford to spend $25,000,000 annually on internal improvements? If we intend to compete with other nations in the markets of the world we must adopt the same means to insure success if we cannot do better. If we do not, we shall not deserve success and will continue to be beaten, as we are now beaten. Gentlemen, why this opposition to appropriations necessary for public improvements? Who are the anonymous writers in the newspapers who object, and for what reason? You know very well opponents to any measure always have reasons satisfactory to themselves for their objections. How frivolous their objections ! Take for instance the. Hennepin Canal—and here, gentlemen, allow me to call your attention to what the Saint Paul convention said in regard to that canal: "Äesofiied, That in the opinion of this convention the enlargement of the Illinois and Michigan Canal, and the extension of the same by the construction of the canal from the Illinois River at Hennepin to the Mississippi River at Rock Island, thereby connecting the Great Lakes with the Upper Mississippi, and giving a continuous line of water transpor¬ tation from the Mississippi Valley to the Atlantic seaboard, is demanded in the interest of cheap transportation and the now immense and growing commerce of the Northwest, and we call on our Senators and Representatives in Congress to urge the construction of such canal and the enlargement of the Illinois and Michigan Canal by the General Gov¬ ernment." I was about to refer to the objections of the objectors. Let us consider them, espe¬ cially in reference to the Hennepin Canal. It is said that it is wholly within a State. Of course there should be no improvement by the General Government where the benefits to be derived are confined wholly within a State. If you will look at the map you will see that the Hennepin Canal is off in the northwestern corner of the State, and that out of the 56,000 square miles in the State of Illinois not a fifteenth part would have any more interest in the canal than any Atlantic State. It is local it is said. But this a part of what is intended to be a great national line. Then, again, it is urged that it is sec¬ tional. , If my information is correct, an improvement of a river common to several States has a national character. That is the case with this. It is for the benefit of all the States bordering on the Mississippi choosing to use it, and particularly for all the States on the Upper Mississippi. ' The exports of the cereal products in the year 1880 were almost 33 per cent, of the en¬ tire exports of this country. I wish you would notice that—almost 33 per cent. The question for the United States to consider is whether it can afford to lose that proportion of its foreign exports. If it cannot, and is interested in swelling the exports of the coun¬ try, it is interested in this measure, and it is national. I was talking not long since to a gentleman, a memlrer of the House, and incidentally he asked me if I was interested in these matters as usual. I told him I was. He .said, "Why not build a railroad?" What is the difference between a railroad and canal? A canal is an artificial channel of water, open and free to tho.se who wish to use it. Those who do use it furnish their own vessels and their own propelling power. Should the Government build a railroad it would be compelled to have numerous stations, terminal facilities, repair and machine shops, rolling stock, and an army of men, and it would not be used, as you know, but seven or eight months in the year, and you know also whoever works for the Govern¬ ment wants to work only half time and get double pay. Another objection offered is that Chicago wants this canal for drainage. The Chicago River allows vessels to pass up and down its entire length, drawing 16 feet of water; hence the water must be 17 feet a t least. This is a proposal for a canal of 7 feet of water. Suppose you make it 8 feet,'you will still have 9 feet below where the bottom of the river is; and who does not knowthat the sediment of a river always goes to the bottoni ? Chicago is not specially interested in this as a great many people suppose it is. You will see at once that the business of this section of the country comes to Chicago now, comes by rail, and comes expensively. It costs as much to transport a bushel of wheat from the producing country 200 miles inland to lake points as from these points to the sea¬ board, a distance five times greater. But I say the business comes there now. Our commission men receive the produce of the country, sell it and take their commissions; our elevators store it and collect their storage charges; our vessels ship it to Buffalo and collect their freights. That is all there is in it from a business point of view. Chicago's interest in this matter is purely na¬ tional. I have told you the interest of the State of Illinois is natioual. Southeru Illi¬ nois has not as much interest as the New England States, because it would have no cheaper transportation; but New England would have the benefit of cheaper transporta¬ tion. I have already told you Illinois products would not pass through this canal. If I were to tell you Iowa was .specially interested in the canal that would be true. Mr. Blanchakd. Not specially interested, but determinedly in earnest. Mr. Dore. The business of the canal would come from west of the Mississippi, and not east of that river. Why don't Illinois build it? There would be teu times the rea¬ son for saying, why don't Iowa build it? For the reason already given, Iowa has some claims, I think. Looking over the amount of appropriations for that State up to 1882, we find |2,500. Mr. Murphy. Since our admission to the Union as a State we have had $2,500. A Member. But Iowa has been charged with part of what has been spent on the Up¬ per Mississippi. Mr. Dore. I think you are correct; but the proportion of Iowa would not be very large. And while we hear all this opposition to anything we waut, the Atlantic States have had their improvements made at an expense of from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000. T' certainly think Iowa has some claims. I will detain you but a few minutes. I want to say something of our advantages. You all know the wonderful exteut of this fertile, arable country, and how diflerent it is from the countries on the seaboard—New England in particular, where not one acre in twenty is capable of cultivation. Here there is not one acre in twenty that is not susceptible of cultivation, and here we have sufficient rainfall. There is no other coun¬ try iu the world so e.xtensive and so fertile that has this natural advantage of sufficient rainfall. We do not have to build canals for purposes of irrigation; we have excellent husbandry, machinery, and best agriculture. What are the disadvantages? Costly labor. One day's work in harvest time, I think, is $1.50 or $2.00, Costly transporta¬ tion and the competition of foreign countries I have already named; and that competi¬ tion is bound to be greater as they increase their internal improvements. One of the great enterprises of the age in the interest of cheap transport is the construction of the Suez Canal, constructed at a cost of a hundred millions of dollars; that is 99 miles long. Already the pressure on that canal is so great that there is a public clamor for its en¬ largement or the construction of another parallel thereto. From the beginning of the world until now there never was a time when there were so many huge projects for arti¬ ficial water-ways, just completed, projected, and in progress of construction, as now. There is another disadvantage that we labor under, and that is the liberality of our competitors in making improvements and the illiberality of our Government to do the same thing for the same purpose. The decreased cost of transportation on the lakes, made possible by the substitution of steamships and harges for sail-vessels, and the aboli¬ tion of the tariff by degrees on the Erie Canal, amounting to 12 cents a bushel, gave us the command of the European markets for a time. These advantages are now overcome. If we should add 12 cents a bushel on our cereal exports, we should now have no exports at all. Twelve cents a bushel is as much as corn sometimes sells for in the Northwest. We have no hostility to railroads; nobody that I know of interested in this enterprise has anything to say whatever in disparagement of railroads. We appreciate what rail¬ roads have done—I believe we have the best railroad system in the world. There is no country in the world that affords equal facilities for traveling at so cheap a rate, and I think there is none in the world that gets its freight carried any cheaper or quite as cheap. But, gentlemen, the question is not whether freight charges are high or low for the kind of service performed—that is, by rail. The question is. Is it the cheapest pos¬ sible ? If not the cheapest possible, is it the kind of transportation to which the producers of this country are entitled? Mr. Murphy. Is it not true that if you to-day owned and controlled a water-way, and by the side of that water-way you owned a railroad, you could transport freight 50 per cent cheaper over that water-way than over the rail ? 92Ü GONG 3 34 Mr. Dore The latest information I have of rates on the Erie Canal was of 1 cent per ton per mile, and I think it was rVo ton per mile on the railroad along side of it. That was of 1 cent per ton per mile cheaper than on any other railroad not in competition with water. Mr. Stone. Do you mean to say that in tran.sportation by rail and in transportation by water-way, provided the rail and water costs nothing, it is cheaper by water? Do you understand me? Mr. Dore. Ido. I have not considered that. Mr. Stone. I would like you to reflect on that a little. Mr. Willis. Is there not an absolute limit to speed on any canal, and if you attempt to go beyond that, the water itself will act as a retarding power? Mr. Dore. I think so. We don't want to go at a lightning speed on a canal, or on a railroad either, for t hat matter. Many ofthe articles to be transported on canals—grain, salt, hay, and corn—there is no great hurry about. What I mean to say is, the farmer wants protection—he wants to be protected in the preservation of foreign markets for his prod¬ ucts, to the end that he may sell his surplus, and to do that he must have a cheap mode of transportation. Will the protectionists help the farmers? The free-traders twit the farmers by saying they are not protected. Will the free-traders use their influ¬ ence to thus protect the farmer? I wish to state in a succinct way again the most important points of what I have said, because I know you can remember but little of so much ; but these two points appear to me cogent, and you cannot easily forget them: Why do our people cry so loud and so long for these improvements ? Because of their necessities; because they know the value of their lands depends on cheap transporta¬ tion. The next important point is that this country cannot afford to lose 30 per cent, of its foreign trade. It cannot be retained without the cheapest possible transportation. Mr. Blanchard. You were saying that the cost of transportation from the interior to the seaboard affected the price of every acre of land on which corn and wheat is grown in the West; and I asked you if the same was not true of the Cotton States. Mr. Dore. It is. I wish to say a word in reference to cotton. We are going to have great competition in this country in cotton. Egypt is a great country for cotton, and is making great preparations to increase the product of cotton there; and in my opinion it will turn out that this Congo country, there has been so much said about, will be a great rival in wheat, corn, cotton, and almost everything else. The importers in England are very much interested in cheap transportation for cotton. There is a movement on foot to lessen the cost of transportation of cotton to Manchester, the great manufacturing center of Great Britain. They found it cost from a half to two- thirds as much in handling the cotton after its arrival at port in Liverpool, in unload¬ ing, reloading, carriage, &c., as to carry it across the ocean. Hence the idea of building a canal from Slanchester to connect with the river Mersey. It cost |500,000 to get the necessary legislation, but they got it, and they propose to build that canal, and they propose by that means to take 25 per cent, from the shipping of Liverpool, and they have, too, the railroads and the dock companies of Liverpool to fight. Estimated cost of that canal, |36,000,000. Mr. Bi.anchaed. You live in Chicago? Mr. Dore. Yes, sir. Mr. Blanchard. You read in the outset of your remarks a resolution of the Saint Paul water-way convention, which was, in effect, a memorial to Congress to appropriate ^25.000,000 for the improvement of the water-ways of the country. In your opinion, would the public sentiment of the country sustain an appropriation of that amount of money for that purpose? Mr. Dore. I am glad you asked that question. I think I know who write these little squibs in the newspapers against liberal appropriations. You remember Senator Hoar voted for a certain river and harbor bill and they tried to defeat him on it and failed. I mean to say that the intelligent portion of the community would approve of it, and are now asking for it. There is a great deal more light now on this subject than formerly, and the more they know of it the more they will be in favor of it. A great many people, when I first came here, thought they knew it all—and you know when a man thinks he knows it all it is difficult to talk to him. There is a widespread interest in this thing, and I am sure these improvements should be made. Mr. Blanchard. And you feel assured that public sentiment would sustain you ? Mr. Dork. That is my opinion. W. H. Miller, of Kansas City, Mo., said: Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, we deem it our good fortune that in coming before you at this time in the interest of our Western water-way improvement it is not incumbent upon us to ask Congress to adopt a new policy and enter upon a new enterprise. The facts and considerations which have heretofore been presented have been sufficient to 35 convince Congress of the great importance of the improvements we ask; the policy of making them has already been adopted; the work has been entered upon; the mouth of the Mississippi Kiver has been opened ; and two commissions, one for the Mississippi and one for the Missouri, have been created, under whose direction the improvement of these streams is to be made; the surveys have been completed over a large part of the rivers, and the nature of the improvement proposed, its cost, and the benefit it will be to the country are before you in official reports of scientific agents of the Government's own choosing. What we have to ask of you, then, is that this work, the great importance of which has already become apparent to you, shall be prosecuted with vigor and the great¬ est practicable speed and be sustained by regular and adequate appropriations. It is in this behalf only that we came here to-day, and it is only to considerations bearing upon these points that we desire to invite your attention. In asking for such improvements of our rivers as will adapt them to the uses of com¬ merce we do not wish to be understood as complaining that we are destitute of trans¬ portation facilities. We have a great abundance of railroads, and such lines as the peo¬ ple still need they have no difficulty in finding the money to supply. But we have now had sufficient experience with railroads to demonstrate that, invaluable as they are, they are not adapted to the transportations of the products of our country at such rates as will not restrict production or consumption, and that the degree of productiveness for which nature has prepared us and which every interest of the nation demands that we achieve can never be realized until railroad transportation is sitpplemented with use of our water-ways. And we shall endeavor also to show you that the interests of our rail¬ roads, no less than the interests of our people, need this addition and without it can never attain to the prosperity they ought to enjoy. The materials of commercial interchange produced in the valleys of our rivers consist of sugar, rice, cotton, tobacco, grain, meat products, coal, iron, timber, stone, and other articles similarly weighty and cheap. None of them will bear rates of transportation which railroads can afford over the long distances they are required to be carried. Such rates, therefore, restrict their necessary distribution, and restrict and impair the profit of their production, thus retarding the natural development of our country and the ad¬ vancement of our people in wealth and prosperity. To illustrate this situation it is not necessary that we should present a comparison of the rates of transportation afforded by water and rail on all the articles we produce in order to show the effect of the absence of water carriage in retarding our development. One illustration will suffice, and for this we will take the item of coal, which is very abundant in the Missippi Valley, and which, in the absence of extensive water powers, is the only source of power for manufacturing purposes. All the materials for the most extensive manufacturing business, wholly dif¬ ferent in its product from the manufactures of the East, exist in abundance in our coun¬ try, but the only source of power for establishing and maintaining it is our coal. In a recent official publication by Hon. George C. Pratt, president of the Bailroad Commissioners of Missouri, I find it stated that it costs the coal miners of the West an average of a dollar and a half a ton to mine the coal and place it in the vehicle of the carrier for distribution. The lowest rate which railroads have heen able to make for this article is 1 cent per ton per mile. This rate, added to the cost of mining, makes the cost of coal two dollars and a half per ton at a distance of 100 miles from the mine; and this, he states, is the maximum price at which it can be profitably used for manufacturing purposes. Railroad transportation, therefore, restricts the distribu¬ tion of coal for manufacturing purposes to points on the line of railroads within 100 miles of the mine. The water rate on this article, wherever water transportation can be employed, is about 1 mill per ton per mile, which admits of its distribution to river points over distances of 1,000 miles, while a combination of water and rail facili¬ ties admit of its distribution for considerable distances into the interior. This article is very abundant along some of our rivers, where it lies a stored-up mine of unavailable wealth and the unavailable source of the production of much more. This is especially true of the lower part of the Missouri, from whence supplies can be obtained for many years for a most extensive manufacturing business along that river as far north as Sioux City, as well as for adjacent parts of the Mississippi and Illinois. The stimulus to Western manufacturing which would be given it by the effect of river improvement upon the distribution of coal has been always overhoked in the discussion of this ques¬ tion, because it is one of the least öf the benefits to be derived from it; and yet it is of such magnitude in itself that it alone would warrant the expenditure of all the money required for that purpose, at least so far as the Missouri and Ohio Rivers are concerned. Eike benefits can be secured for other articles of Western production by the provision of water transportation. Take, for instance, the item of grain, the great staple produc¬ tion of the Upper Mississippi and Missouri Valleys, and upon which the people of the Western and Northwestern States chiefly depend. At present rates of transportation it costs more to get it to market than it does to produce it, which so increases its cost to consumers that we find ounselves ruled out of the markets of the world, while our wheat deteriorates in the granary and our corn is largely burned for fuel. Lumber manufact- 3(j ured in the Northwest and floated down the river to Clinton, Quincy, and Hannibal is nearly doubled in cost by rail transportation 300 miles into the Missouri Valley, which much restricts its use; while the valuable timbers of the Lower Mississippi States rotou the ffround because they cannot be moved to market. The sugar, cotton, and rice of the States south of Missouri and Kentucky are similarly burdened, and the industrial progress of the people retarded wherever water transportation is not available. In like manner every other article produced in the Mississippi Valley is burdened and re,stricted in its distribution by high rates wherever water carriage is absent; and the productive industry of the people and tlieir advancement iu prosperity are correspondingly burdened and re¬ tarded. We are surrounded on all sides with abundance of undeveloped resources, un¬ available wealth, because existing rates of carriage do not admit of the product being marketed at paying prices. I assume that it will not be expected that we will ofler any evidence that the improve¬ ment of our Western water-ways will open them to navigation with commercial craft. That fact has been established by the commissions and engineers of the Government, and their official reports are before you. I conceive, therelbre, that all that will be ex¬ pected of us is to show that such cheaper transportation will increase the extent and power of distribution and add to our prosperity. This can best be done by comparing rates where water carriage is or has been employed with the rates where it is not or has not been. And as it will be impracticable to include in such a compari.son all articles of Western production, it seems that the effect can be most clearly shown by such a com¬ parison of the rate on one leading article. For this purpose no article is more significant of the whole list nor more fundatneutal to our prosperity than grain, the great staple of the West and Northwest upon which all other interests depend. The tacts are not better known nor more easy of intelligible presentation iu the case of any other. Between Chicago and the Atlantic seaboard, a distance of about 1,000 miles, water transporta¬ tion on the lakes and canals control the rate. Here wheat is carried during the season of navigation as low as 15 cents per hundred pounds, and corn at about 10 cents. Be¬ tween Chicago and Saint Paul, about 500 miles to the northwest, and where water carriage exerts a less effect, the rate is 17.} cents on wheat and 15 on corn; and between Chicago and Kansas City, about 500 miles to the southwest, and where water carriage exerts a still less effect, the rate is 25 cents on wheat and 20 cents on corn. West and northwest of Saint Paul and west and southwest of Kansas City, where water carriage exerts still less effect, rates are correspondingly higher. Between Saint Louis and New York, a dis¬ tance of about 1,200 miles, where rates are affected hy the water carriage on both the lakes and Mississippi Kiver during the season of navigation, rates are about 21 cents on wheat and 17 cents on corn, while between Saint Louis and Missouri Kiver points, a distance of about 300 miles, and where there is no water carriage, rates are 20 cents on wheat and 15 cents on corn. These comparisons are sufficient to indicate the relative difference between water and rail rates, and the low cost of transportation that will follow the Im¬ provement of our water-ways. And it applies to all articles of Western production as well as to grain, and when provided will apply to the distribution within the country as well as to the movement from it. Some idea of the magnitude of the meaning of this difference may be obtained from a comparison of the rates on wheat for export from Saint Louis via rail to New York and via river to New Orleans. In this comparison, however, it must be borne in mind that the foreign markets derive their principal supply from sources other than the United States, which supply establishes the price at which ours is sold. They are not affected by the small amount we send them, hence any reduction in the cost of sending it will be added to its value in the hands of producers. And this addition applies to the whole crop as well as to that part exported, for the small surplus sent abroad establishes the price of the whole crop at home. During the season of navigation of the Mississippi River the rate from Saint Louis to Liverpool by rail to New York and by river to New Orleans has been as follows for the past three years: 1883. Via railroad to New York, per hushel 23 to 29 Via river to New Orleans, per bushel 17 to 23 Difference in favor of the river route 6 1884. Via rail to New York, per bushel 15 to 29 Via river to New Orleans, per bushel ■ 11 to 20 / ■ Difference in favor of the river route 4 to 9 1885. Via rail to New York, per bushel 14 to 27 Via river to New Orleans, per bushel 13 to 13 Difference in favor of the river route ltol4 37 lu view of these facts it seems not unreasonable to assume an average difference for the three years of 6 cents per bushel in favor of the river ronte. When the Mississippi shall have been so improved from Saint Louis south that it can be relied upon for the safe movement of large quantities of wheat, it cannot fail to add to the value ot the wheat crops of the country that can use it as much per bushel as it reduces rates. If this addition be only so much as is shown above, it will be an enormous aggregate. In the country that it will affect we produced in 1885, according to the estimates of the Agri¬ cultural Department, 357,112,000 bushels; which at 6 cents per bu.shel would be worth $21,466,720 more than it is. Such a gain to the wheat crop annually would be an im¬ mense benefit to the West, but when we come to contemplate such further reduction in transportation attended with like further advances in value of the wheat adjacent to all of our Western water-ways and to all articles of Western production, the gain to the West is too enormous for estimate or statement. That such advantages can be realized is evi¬ dent, for what water transportation does on one river and forone article it will do on all rivers and for all articles. On the Missouri River, in 1878, we employed barges between Saint Louis and Kansas City, and they carried grain at 53 cents per bushel, while the current rail rate was 13 cents per bushel on wheat and 8 cents on corn. Wherever else water transportation has been employed, and to whatever article it has been applied, like results have followed. The provision of water transportation will thrts not only affect all articles of Western pro¬ duction adjacent to the rivers, but its regulative effect upon rail rates will affect those tar removed from water facilities and those not adapted to water carriage. Upon this point I desire to offer a few facts: The rapid decline of rail rates along the lake shore by im¬ provements in water craft is a significant illustration of this effect. In 1875 the rate on grain from Chicago to New York was 24 cents per bushel. In 1880 it had fallen to 19 cents, and in 1885 to about 13. The water rates of the lakes affect the rates of railroands run¬ ning along the lake shore. These affect other adjacent railroads, so that the influence of the lakes is felt potentially at all points north of Cairo. More than this, the movement of freight between points west of the lakes and the Atlantic seaboard over lines running far south of Cairo, even those of Tennessee, Virginia, and Northern Georgia, is affected by the low rates of the lakes, for as it may be moved by either route, the southern all-rail route must move it at the rate of the northern part rail and part water route. An isolated fact at Kansas City in 188Ü shows the same effect. Our elevators became full of grain, the rail rate being such as would not admit of its movement. Negotiations were entered into between our grain merchants and barge companies on the Mississippi River, looking to a repetition of the experiments of 1878. The fact came to the knowledge of the rail¬ roads, and they immediately anticipated the danger of further employment of water-craft on the Missouri with a rate of 8 cents per hundred pounds, 7 to 12 cents less than the current rate, and took the grain away. The difference of rates prevailing between Missouri and Mississippi River points and Mississippi River and lake points affords a good illustration of the extension of the regula¬ tive effect of water facilities into localities far removed from them. The water rate from Chicago east, forcing the trunk-line railroads to make low rates, those crossing the country south of Chicago and reaching Mississippi River points have to equalize rates with the trunk lines as far west as the river. The lines from the Missouri River to Chicago meeting these low rates at the Mississippi River, are compelled to make low rates thence to Chicago, or allow the direct eastern lines to take the business from them at the Mis¬ sissippi River. Owing to this state of facts, the rate from Mississippi River points to Chicago is much less pro rata than rates on the same articles between the Missouri and Mississippi River. Of the whole distance between the Missouri River and Chicago, that part between the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers is about 60 per cent. Of the charge made between the Missouri River and Chicago, more than 80 per cent, applies between the rivers. To give you an illustration of this, the rate on wheat from the Missouri to the Mississippi River is 20 cents per hundred pounds, while from the Missouri River to Chicago it is 25 cents. Corn from the Missouri River to the Mississippi is 15 cents; from the Missouri to Chicago, 20 cents. Cattle from the Missouri River to the Mississippi are $47.50 per air; from the Missouri River to Chicago, $65 per car. Hogs from the Mis¬ souri River to the Mississippi are $40 per car; from the Missouri River to Chicago, $55 per car. On west-bound merchandi.se and lumber like differences exist, all due to the regulative effects of the lakes reaching westward to the Mississippi River and to the ali- sence of such effects west ofthat stream. One of the most significant illustrations of this regulating effect is exhibited in the difference in railway rates prevailing in the Northwest and those prevailing in the Mis¬ souri Valley. The railroads connecting Chicago and Saint Paul are combined in what is known as the Northwestern Railroad Association; those between Chicago and Missouri River points are similarly combiued in what is known as the Southwestern Railroad As¬ sociation. By these pooling arrangements the difl'erence in length of line among roads 38 in the same system is neutralized by the equalization of rate and time. The Missouri River points are thus made as all of the same distance from Chicago; and Saint Paul is made as of the same distance from Chicago by the different lines. The difference in distance between Saint Paul and Chicago and Missouri River points and Chicago is about the same. The shortest line in the Northwestern system is 410 miles and the longest 520. The shortest line in the Southwestern system between Chicago and the nearest Missouri River point is not longer than the shortest line in the Northwestern system, and the longest is 523 miles, only two miles longer than the longest line in the Northwestern system. s The distance and time being about the same, a comparison of the rates of the two sys¬ tems is practicable: Package freight, per one hundred pounds : First class Second class Third class Fourth class Car-load freight, per one hundred pounds : Class A South- North¬ western . western. Class B Class C Class D Wheat Other grain Live-stock, per car; Horses Cattle and hogs.. $0 90 75 50 33 S2i 29è 23 23 25 20 67 50 65 00 $0 60 45 35 22è 22i 20 17è 15 171 15 50 00 40 00 I have asked railroad men for an explanation of this discrimination in fa.ivo of the Northwest, and h ive been uniformly informed th it it is due to the fact that while Chi¬ cago is the nearest point at which water transportation can be reached from the Missouri River points, it can be reached from Saint Paul within 15Ü miles of Duluth. And this, I am informed, is the only reason for the lower rate in the Northwest. The difference be¬ tween these rates applies not to the business from Saint Paul and Missouri River points alone, but proportionably lower rates extend over the whole country west and northwest of Saint Paul, thus extending the effects of water rates into localities far removed from water facilities. Proportionably higher rates prevail in the country west and southwest of the Missouri River points, where no reason for it can be assigned except the absence of water advantages. In the comparison I have just given, you will find the widest dif¬ ference existing on package freight and live-stock, which would be carried by railroads under all circumstances; but they bear such a relation to the other articles which can be carried by water better than by rail, that they too are affected, showing that the bene¬ fit of the water rites is not confined to articles best adapted to water carriage, but is shared by all commodities in the country in which their effects prevail. A more sig¬ nificant exhibit could not be desired for the purpose of showing the regulative effects of water rates and their application to all articles; for it shows in actually existing situa¬ tions the full effects we claim for the water transportation to be secured by the improve¬ ment of our Western water ways and enforces the conviction we entertain, that suCh transportation of such of our products as are best adapted for water carriage will exert such aregulative effect upon others, that all will he alike beneficially affected, and ex¬ tend into localities remote from water facilities. As the tendency of these facts is to show that the water transportation we seek by the improvement of our Western water ways will effect a large and general reduction in rail rates in the Mississippi Valley, and as it is well known that our Western railroads are not more prosperous than the people whom they serve, it may sirggest to you that any such gains to the people must be attended with great damage to the roads. The facts will show that exactly the converse is true. I suggested this fact when I had the honor to appear before your cominiftee two years ago, and I now propo.se to more fully present the commercial principles upon which it is based. It is true that a railroad, or a railroad system, by exce.ssive charges, may temporarily secure a somewhat higher degree of prosperity than the people it serves, but it Is a law universally recognized by railroad and commercial men that the permanent prosperity of a railroad is precisely ganged by the prosperity of its patrons, and fluctuates with it. The mere statement of this law is conclusive of the argument en this point among men engaged exclusively in transportation and commereial pursuits ; but a full statement of its workings, when .so large and general a reduction of rates is proposed, is a material feature 39 of our argument. Different articles carried by transportation companies vary greatly in weight and value, and lience in the rate of charge they will bear without affecting either production or consumption. This fact is now the basi.s of all classification ))y transporta¬ tion companies, and the corresponding differences in the rates charged for different classes. Thus, I have already shown you, on the authority of the Missouri Railroad Commission, that coal, which is the basis of all Western manufacturing, cannot be carried by rail oyer 100 miles. To advance the present rate on that article 1 cent per ton per mile, which would be so slight an advance as applied to some other articles that railroads would not trouble themselves to make it, would restrict its distribution to 50 miles, and nearly de¬ stroy its use for manufacturing purposes. Dry goods, on the other hand, are now charged a rate of 2J cents per mile, and an advance of that rate by 1 cent per ton per mile would not affect distribution and would hardly be felt in the price in the consuming market. On all high-class merchandise carried into or distributed through the West the rate is so high as to pay the railroads a large profit, and yet so low that the freight charge is hardly reckoned as an element in the cost to consumers. At the same time, the weighty and cheap products of the country are handled at so close a margin that any fluctuation in rate is immediately felt either by the producer or consumer. Articles of manufactured merchandise classed as first-class and largely carried from the Atlantic seaboard to the Missouri River are charged $1.59 per hundred pounds, while grain carried from the Mis¬ souri River to the Atlantic seaboard is charged 32 cents per hundred pounds. An ad vanee of 10 cents per hundred in the grain rate would reduce its price 6 cents per bushel in the West, while a like advance in the rate on merchandise would not affect values in either the East or the West and hardly excite remark. The cost in this movement to the railroads is about the same in both cases. Mani¬ festly if the grain pays the cost of carriage, the merchandise must be enormously profit¬ able. This state of facts arises from the principle, now universally adopted by rail¬ roads, of charging for the carriage of an article what it will bear—the only principle upon which they can continue business. The rate charged upon Western products moved to the Atlantic seaboard three years ago was declared by Mi-. Fink to be less then the cost, and yet the rate at the present time is lower than it was then. The fact is they do not expect to make the cost of carriage on these products, and so make rates on the high-priced merchandise they carry into the country that will substantially pay for the round trip. Then they can afford to make any rate on products returned, and even though it be less than the cost of returning the train, all they get for it is clear gain. This is substantially the situation now on all the products of the West which they carry to the East from points on the lakes and Mississippi River. A gentleman prominently connected with the freight department of one of the lines leading from Kansas City to Saint Louis and Chicago informs me that it costs his company about 7 cents per hundred pounds to carry wheat from Kansas City to Saint Louis, and about 10 cents to carry it to Chicago. At the same rate it costs 28 cents to carry it from Saint Louis to New York, where they charge but 21 ; and 20 cents to carry it from Chicago to New York, where they have been charging but 15, and even but 121. Rates on these products can never again be made such as will pay the railroads the cost of carriage. The prosperity of Western railroads, therefore, depends no longer upon the amount of these products they can carry out of the country, but upon the amount of high-priced merchandise they can carry into it. This depends upon the ability of the people to con¬ sume such merchandise, which, in turn, depends upon the profitableness of their indus¬ tries. If we can reduce the rates on the cheap, weighty products of the West, and thereby increase the profitableness of their production, and consequently the purchasing power of the people, we not only make the people more prosperous, but we provide a more profitable business for our railroads and increase their prosperity correspondingly with that of the people. The railroad .situation of the country to-day affords the best proof of the truth of these statements. The strongest and most prosperous roads are those connecting Chicago and the Atlantic seaboard, and they are the roads which make the lowest rates on the products of the West. The next .stronge.st and most pros¬ perous system consists of the roads embraced in the Northwestern Association, learling from Chicago to the Northwest, and, in competition with the lake at Duluth, making the lowest rates of any interior system. The trunk lines le.ading from the Atlantic sea¬ board to the Southwest are less prosperous than those leading to Chicago, and the roads leading from the Mississippi River into the Southwest are less so still, although making much higher rates. With them it is almost an unceasing struggle ibr existence, and one of them, the great Wabash, is in the hands of a receiver. The reason for this state of facts, as is well known in the West, is that the people of the Northwest who have a partial benefit of water rates obtain better prices for their products, possess correspondingly greater power to consume high-priced merchandise, and hence give their railroads and the trunk lines east of Chicago a volume of profitable busine.ss which makes them prosperous. Our people of the Southwest, deriving less 40 profit from their industry, have eorrespondingly less power to purchase such articles, and hence give their roads such a reduced volume of profitable business that even at the higher rates they attain a far less degree of prosperity. Grive us the water transporta¬ tion we seek in the improvement of our water-ways and the correspondingly increased power to consume high-priced merchandise and we will give our railroads an increased volume of profitable business, which will improve their prosperity along with our own and enable them to make much lower rates on our products not only to the seaboard but in the movement between local points in the country. I do not wish to he under¬ stood in this comparison between the Southwest and the Northwe.st to imply that much further advantage may not be gained by the Northwest by the improvements we seek; 1 use it simply to show the effect of water facilities in reducing and regulating rates as we desire, by which the Northwest has also much to gain. Our plea, therefore, for this great improvement is not for one interest at the expense of another, nor for one section at the expense of another, hut for all interests and all sections alike, and, as we know, not the least by far for our railroads. This subject of water-way improvement also presents some important considerations for the East. It is far from being the local interest many people have been disposed to regard it. While the chief industry of the West is agricultural, the chief industry of the East is manufacturing. The census reports of 1880 show the product of manufacturing that year to have been $5,369,579,199. Of this enormous aggregate the statistical reports of the Treasury De¬ partment show that but about 2 per cent, was exported, leaving 98 per cent, as con¬ sumed in this country. Of this great industry nearly 45 per cent, of the establishments are located in the Atlantic States north of the Potomac; 62 per cent, of the capital in¬ vested is invested in the same States; 65 per cent, of the wa'res of the employés is paid to their citizens, and within their borders 62 per cent, of the product is made. It is true that in the Northern and Northwestern States much manufacturing is done. In these States, grouped in the census reports under the head of " Northern Central States, " there were in 1880 34 per cent, of the establishments and 26 per cent, of the in¬ vestment of the whole country. Within them was paid out 25 per cent, of the wages of the employés, and the product amounted to a little over 26 per cent, of the whole. But the manufacturing of these two sections is so different that it cannot be regarded as com¬ petitive even in the local markets of each respectively. In the West we manufacture flour, meat products, agricultunil implements, and machinery mainly; while in the East the product consists chiefly of fabrics of cotton, wool, leather, and other high-priced but light articles, of which we of the West and Southwest are consumers to the full ex¬ tent of our purchasing power. These classes of merchandise must always be produced in the East, for we of the West, with only steam power, cannot hope to compete even in our own markets with the products of Eastern water power. This manufacturing is the industry upon which the East chiefly depends for its prosperity, and must always de¬ pend, just as we of the West depend, and must always depend, chiefly upon agriculture. Since 1880 the industries of the East have been complaining of depression because of overproduction; not that they in fact produce too much, but that they lacked a market for what they made. In view of this situation the improvement of our trade with Cen¬ tral and South America has been suggested as a means of relief, and a commission has been sent out there by the Governmeut to ascertain what could be done in that direction. All the time, however, the West has been suffering for these same products because its industries, burdened as they are with costly transportation, did not afford purchasing power to supply its needs. Give us the cheap transportation in the West which the im¬ provement of our water-ways will supply, and we will give the East not only cheaper bread and provisions, but with our iucreased purchasing power we will give it a market for its manulactures and a degree of prosperity it has never attained and can never attain on any possible foreign trade, tariff protection, or other measures. Regarded thus from the standpoint of our internal cmnmerce, the improvement of our Western water-ways is seen to be not a sectional but a national interest. Regarded from the standpoint of our foreign commerce its national inip.ortance becomes more apparent. The statistics of the Treasury Department show that the exports of this country have always consisted chiefly of the products of agriculture. During the eleven years from 1875 to 1885, inclusive, the percentage of agricultural products rangetl from 72 to 83 of the whole exportation. The statistical report of the Treasury Department for 1884, page 41, states that of this agricultural report from 92 to 95 ]>cr cent, is of Western production. Of the entire exports of the United States for the fiscal year 1884, as is shown by the statistical report of the Treasury Department, page 15, to items of 'Western agricultural productions alone, breadstuffs and provi.sions, made up thirty-eight, 20 per cent.; for 1885, the .same two items made up the thirty-six, 83 per cent, of the whole. The con¬ tinued exportation of the.se products now constituting so important a part of our foreign commerce is seriously threatened; and the exportation of breadstuffs can be maintained 41 only by reduced rates of internal transportation. With the opening of the Suez Canal the British people, our chief customers for this product, began to devote themselves to the development of the wheat yields of India, and the result has been such as to truly alarm the producers of this country. Report No. 11, Agricultural Department, Septem¬ ber, 1884, gives the latest ofScial facts concerning the wheat productions of India I have been able to obtain. This report, page 73, shows that while Great Britain received from India but 1,600,000 bushels of wheat m 1879, she received from the same source 21,000,000 bushels in 1883. The whole export of India amounted to substantially nothing when the Suez Canal was opened, but in 1883 it amounted to 39,127,977 bush¬ els; and now Judge Murphy, of your committee, informs us that in 1885 it was 75,000,000. So large has it grown that it so supplements the European supply from other sources as to impair the exportation of American wheat. Yet the British Gov¬ ernment is vigorously promoting its development, having under consideration at the date of the report referred to a proposition to expend immediately over $100,000,000 in the construction of short-line railroads and canals to further stimulate its production by providing transportation to the coast. During this period our exportation of hreadstuffs has been decreasing, having fallen from $288,036,835 worth in 1880 to $160,370,821 worth in 1885. At the present time our granaries are full, the visible supply being about 59,000,000 bushels, nearly double the quantity visible at the corresponding date of any previous year. And the farmers of the West have still in their hands a large part of the product of 1885, holding it because the price is not sufficient to pay the cost of production. During the time this situation has been coming upon us the export price has fallen at exporting points from $1.25 per bushel in 1880 to about 80 cents in 1885, and yet we are unable to find a market abroad even at such a reduction. To produce it in this country at a lower cost is hopeless; hence the only reduction that can be made to regain our former position in the foreign market is that which we ask in the cost of transportation by the improvement of our Western water-ways. Until this be done we will have to face the continued decline of the export of this great staple, which constitutes so large a part of our exportations, and unless it be done speedily we incur the danger of the permanent loss. Is it not an ob¬ ject of national importance, concerning alike to all sections, to prevent so disastrous a result in our foreign trade, attended as it must be with the depression, almost ruin, of one of our leading productive industries, upon which so many people depend, that it must drag along with its many other important interests. With so many great interests, with such tar-reaching results, with national prosperity on one hand and danger of national disaster on the other involved alike in the vigorous prosecution of a work upon which the Government has already entered and which it alone can do, it seems needless to appeal to you, in whose hands it has been placed, to advance it with all possible celerity. The development of the re.sources of the West, the prosperity of the people, the wellivre of our railroad interests, the sustenance of our manufacturing industries, and the maintenance of our foreign trade are all alike in the scale, and in your hands, gentlemen, more than in the hands of any other committee of Congress, is placed the welfare of your fellow-citizens and the destinies of your country. Yours is the great responsibility; and according to your wisdom and effectiveness will the people award you honor. Referring now more especially to the Missouri River, for which I speak here, I desire to invite your attention to the fdct that the valley of that stream is more remote from water facilities than any other agricultural country in the West. As a consequence the railroads are less affected by water-rates, and we pay higher rates accordingly, as I have already shown you in the comparisons of rates which I have submitted. It is needless for me to remind you that this stream was once a great channel of commerce, when the products of the West were sent to market in packages, and steamboats adapted to the carriage of package freight only were the chief means of transportation. All that is changed now, for our products are handled in bulk largely, and the river is not safe for barges, which alone of river craft carry freight in bulk. The reports of Major Suter and of the Missouri River Commission are before yon, in which they show that with an ex¬ penditure of 110,000 per mile the river can be so improved as to make it again a great water-way adapted to modern craft. This is less than half the cost of a single railway, but it will make the river capable of carrying all the tonnage the people may desire to put upon it. Having already referred to experiments showing what great reduc¬ tion of rates barges upon that river have effected, I deem it unnecessary to urge further the advantages of the improvement. We have nothing special to ask in regard to the methods of improvement, or the allotment of appropriations to different parts of the stream. Congress having created a commission for the purpose of directing its im¬ provements, we feel that our function is fully performed when we urge that the appro- ])riations asked for be made, and that the work ol' improvement of the whole river be jrashed to a speedy completion. All that has been said or may be said regarding water- 42 ■way improvement applies with peculiar force to the Missouri, for no people in the West- need such advantages more, or suffer more from the lack of them. Assuming that Congress will give us something for that river, I desire to invite your special attention to a supplemental report of the commission, in which it suggests the importance of providing means to carry on the work from early spring forward. In pursuance of this report, an exigency appropriation bill has been introduced, and is now, I presume, in your hands, appropriating one-half the amount asked for the year, so that the commission may resume its work in the early spring. The merit of this bill is that, if passed, it will give the commission seven months to work in this year, whereas if it had to wait until the general bill is passed it will have but three months. It has its plant all ready, and it deteriorates more in idleness than it wears in use. It has skilled men now at its command whom the president of the commission assures us can do more work in one day than new men can do in two, and whom it will lose if it must wait. The passage of this hill will therefore not only give more time to work, but it will enable the commission to work with greater economy and achieve greater results for the outlay. The length of time in which the commission can work is also an ele¬ ment of economy, for in seven months it can complete and secure any particular work in which it may be engaged, which it can not do in three months, except at greater cost. We would therefore respectfully commend this bill to your most favorable consideration, hoping that it may pass in time for the commission to resume work in the early spring! We hope, also, that in your general bill you may feel yourselves able to give the com¬ mission all the money it asks for. We greatly need the improvement, and that speedily. The people regard it as waste, rather than economy to retard so important an improve¬ ment by limited appropriations, while their industries are bearing such enormous bur¬ dens and they are suffering such enormous and continuous losses. O