J.ETTERS OF CHARLES B. SHAW, Engineer of Covington and Ohio Survey, and E. FONTAINE, President of Virginia Central Railroad Company, in reply to Col. GARNETT, on the subject of a connection between Richmond and the Valley cf the Ohio,» d To Col. C. F. M. Garnett, Engineer of the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad: Office Va. Centra^ Railroad, ) Richmond, Jan^_22d, 1851. } Dear Sir— I regret that it has become necessary to conduct this correspondence. In your letter addressed to me, in the Whig of this morning, dated the 17th of January, you say that you thought it your duty to show that the central line of communication with the Ohio from Richmond, was inferior to the New River route. Whilst it does not seem to me that there was any obligation on you to undertake to expose objections to the Central Railroad, yet, if you felt called on to do so, in a published report, all will agree that I would have failed in that vigilance which I am expected to practice over the interests of the Centrad Road, if 1 had not noticed your report ; but, if the subject must be discussed, I am glad that it can be done with personal courtesy and good feeling, and I will certainly endeavor to follow your good example. You profess to cherish a deep seated devotion to the best interests of Virginia, as the main spring to your solicitude on this subject. I am very far from questioning your patriotism. I accord it to you in all sin¬ cerity, but you can hardly expect that fact to. weigh much in determi¬ ning the merits of the question, as myself and other friends of the cen¬ tral line have as good claim to get the benefit of that argument as you or any one can have. I have a large family and some property here— all that I have y or ever expect to have y is, and will be, of Virginia ; but our mutual attachment to our common mother, is of no consequence in this question. The most prominent part of your argument is on the point of excep¬ tional grades ; that subject, and the question of the width of track'.or "guage," being professional, I shall advert to very briefly, leaving' to Mr. Shaw to answer more in detail the objections you have urged to his views. Before I do, that however, I will remark, that your posi¬ tions in relation to the difficulties in the way of completing the Central line, whether they refer to the time necessary, or the means, seem to me equally untenable with those advanced in your report. We are not discussing the cost of the Blue Ridge tunnel. I cannot comprehend what that has to do with the subject, unless (which I can, hardly believe) the friends of the Virginia and Tennessee Road mean to raise the question of its discontinuance. If the whole cost of the 2 Central Rail Road from Richmond to the mouth of Greenbrier is to be considered, then the cost of the canal to Lynchburg must be added to your route, as you refer to that as giving you connection with Rich¬ mond ; the South Side Road requiring, as you say, by their report, $600,000 to complete it ; but I do not understand that to be your de¬ sign. In your report you assumed that your line was complete, or possess¬ ed the means of completion to Christiansburg, leaving 77 miles to get to the mouth of Greenbrier. The object, I supposed, was to enquire into the difficulties in the way of each line reaching the mouth of Green¬ brier ; that is, the time necessary, and the prospect of obtaining means ; I therefore thought it was not fair to locate the completion of the Cen¬ tral Road. 16 miles west of Charlottesville," on the east side of the Blue Ridge, when all the cost of passing the mountain was provided by the State, the work being in a course of successful construction, and the gradingiof the company's work nearly completed to Staunton, to say nothing of the means in hand to grade a large portion of the line between Staunton and Covington ; and I cannot perceive the jus¬ tice or propriety of your saying in this letter " Richmond must make 92| miles more of Rail Road and spend $1,855,000 more, to reach the mouth of Greenbrier by way of Staunton, than would be required by way of Christiansburg"—this seeming still to be based on the assign¬ ment of a point 16 miles west of Charlottesville, as the limitation of our means of completion. Richmond should not be startled by the announcement of having to spend so large a sum. How she is in any way bound for it I do not know. Surely the State is able, and no doubt intends to complete the tunnel, and the Company will complete the road from Waynesborough to Staunton. • • The important question—the real question is, which line, when com¬ pleted, will secure the trade and travel, and develope the greatest ad¬ vantages to the State ? But how will the matter stand as to time of completion and probable means ? The distance from Christiansburg to the mouth of Greenbrier is _ 77 miles. From Covington to White Sulphur Springs being the Cen- } t( tral route to same point ' ( /f> . Governor Johnson has recommended that this work should be exe¬ cuted on State account to connect vjith the Canal. The Virginia and Tennessee company expect to raise two-fifths to construct the New River branch ; each being about the same distance, which may be ex¬ pected to be done first? As this line from Covington, west, has always been regarded so important to the State, as to be often suggested as a State work—it will not be considered presumption in the friends of the Central Railroad to expect that it will be constructed on State account. While this is being done, thejine between Staunton and Covington can be completed, being only 70 miles, 20 of which are now under contract. It appears, then, that so far as the means relied on are con¬ cerned, and the time necessary for completion, it is probable the Cen¬ tral line will reach the Ohio first. The cases you refer to, of the abandonment of what you style ex- 3 vcptional grades, and substitution therefor of grades within the com¬ pass of Locomotive power, are not analogous, and therefore do not by any means prove that there would ever be hereafter any practical diffi¬ culty experienced in working the section at the crossing of the Alle* ghany. Because it was found best to incur considerable expense to get clear of inclined planes and grades where horse power was used, it does not follow that we should find any difficulty on grades of only 92 and 105 feet to the mile, these being grades on which a Locomo¬ tive can be used. To create distrust as to the practical value of assistant power, on grades of 92 and 105 feet, you mention the abandonment of " a series of inclined plams worked by stationary power" in Pennsylvania- worked by stationary not assisting Locomotive power—you Tefer to an inclined plane in South Carolina, worked by a rope attached to the load around a drum—also to the old high grade on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad at Parr's ridge, where, I think horses drew up the trains. These cases have no sort of analogy to the Pass of the Alleghany. In¬ clined planes, and ropes with drums, are attended with extreme danger, and were doubtless abandoned on that account. I am not prepared to name the precise grade of these planes, but I suppose of many hundred feet, far beyond the application of Locomotive power. The cases of the Albany, Schenectady and Erie road, in New York, 1 presume, are of the same -character ; it cannot, therefore, be contended that expe¬ rience has decided against exceptional grades where Locomotive power can be used. The case of the Boston and Albany road, is still more inapplicable as an illustration of your position. The new road is not being built by the Boston and Albany company, on account of 82 feet grades on their present road, with any intention of substituting it for the old one. The projectors are different parties ; rivals contending for the same trade. They may have some faint hope of success, as the new is the shortest, but the 83 feet grades are worked with so much success, that I have been told, the new company have but little prospect of sup¬ planting them. The use of assistant Locomotives to overcome obstacles of any kind, is no untried experiment. If you have to encounter a heavy grade, or an unusual accumulation of snow or ice, impeding the progress of the train, the practice fo the same in each case ; there is, therefore, no difficulty in understanding how the assistant Locomotive will answer at the Alleghany. The daily resort to them every where to get over ice and snow, such as we have had with us recently, being far worse than 105 feet grade, illustrate very plainly how they would answer. If, however, it is necessary to refer to cases where they are constantly- used to overcome high grades, I refer you to the Baltimore and Ohio Road crossing the Alleghany with 116 feet grade, and the Greensville Road coming up from the Roanoke with grades of 90 feet. At this point the same Locomotive divides the load and makes two or more trips up the grade until the whole train is gotten up, but it would be better to have the second Locomotive to assist. On the Central line, between tho Ohio and the Alleghany, no grade exceeding 20 feet to the mile, occurs for 200 miles, bringing us to tho 4 western base of the mountain, then two miles of 90 feet to the summit, and descending five miles at 105 feet to the mile. From the eastern base going to Covington, ito grade over 40 feet. It. will therefore be easily understood that, a single heavy class locomotive aiding on the seven mile section of the Alleghany, will enable the locomotive coming from the Ohio, to do about as much as if there was no. grade on the ■whole route over 40 feet to the mile. According to your own rule of calculating the power of an engine on different grades, a similar engine on your CO feet grades, will draw little more than half of what it cau on the 40 grades of the Central Road. It will be seen therefore, that the cost of transportation of heavy freight can be greatly reduced on the Central line, by incurring the trifling expense of keeping one heavy engine in addition at the Alleghany , the price of which would be about $8000. Let the heavy tonnage be de¬ livered to the canal, at Covington ; it will then receive patronage 90 miles further west than at Lynchburg, and a Tate of charge might be adopted which the Virginia and Tennessee Road could not afford. 1st, because the grades of the Road would forbid the transportation of freight at very low rates ; and 2ndly, because it could not receive an amount of travel sufficient to sustain it, and which would be found indispensa¬ ble unless it was allowed very high rates for freight. Thé Central Road on the other hand, passing through the heart of the Virginia . Springs, would receive an amount of travel in addition to the through passengers, which would enable it to dispense with profit from the trans¬ portation oí' freight. You express the opinion that the use of the 4 feet Si inch guage or width of track, has been a great curse to Virginia, and that the Virginia pnd Tennessee road, being five feet wide, is a strong reason why that road should be extended to the Ohio, instead of the Central road. Engineers differ as to which is the best width. Some of the most pro¬ fitable roads in this country have the 4 feet 8.^ guage ; and if there was not very high authority differing with you, it would be difficult to make it appear that 3^ inches in the width of a track could produce such very important results. The Great Western road from Boston to Albany, doing among the largest and most profitable business of any road in this country, is of that width. So are all the other roads in Massa¬ chusetts. The Baltimore and Ohio is of that width. The Hudson River road, in New York, recently built, at the cost of twelve millions of dollars, with the full benefit of experience^ I am informed, is also 4 feet S^. We may therefore be induced to doubt whether that width is deserving of such decided condemnation. If, however, it should be conceded, amidst these conflicting opinions, that there was, some small advantage in a 5 loot guage, the guage of the Central Railroad ought to be used in the connection with the Ohio, for this conclusive reason, that the roads in Kentucky and Ohio, the {States with which we are aiming to connect, are all of the same width of the Central road, 4 feet Scinches. You think there is danger of the Western trade leaving the Central road at Staunton, and going to Baltimore ; if there be any just ground for that apprehension, how do you expect to prevent it going there by "the air line" from Cincinnati? Richmond is 82 miles nearer to 5 Staunton than Baltimore is ; if, with that advantage, and all the evils of transhipment against Baltimore, Richmond cannot keep the trade of the great West on the Central road, how do you expect to attract it to Richmond from Cincinnati, by way of Lynchburg, when the distance is about the same from that city to Baltimore as it is to Richmond, each being about 600 miles? If you feel satisfied that Baltimore can¬ not absorb the trade of the West from Cincinnati in an equal contest with Richmond as to distance, I think you are compelled to admit that it will not be attracted from Staunton over an increased distance of 82 miles, with the snperadded disadvantage of transhipment. Major Gwynn, in his late report to the James River and Kanawha Company, makes it from Cincinnati to Bal¬ timore, by Park er sou rg, (perhaps 20 miles too short, Cincinnati to Point Pleasant by Railroad survey, - - - - 156 miles. Point Pleasant to the mouth of Greenbrier by Railroad survey, - - 152 miles. Mouth of Greenbrier to Richmond, by your estimate, which, I find, is 7 miles too short, .- ... 278 miles. From Staunton to Baltimore, via Winchester, From Staunton to Richmond, - - Richmond nearer to Staunton than Baltimore is, - 82 miles. Let ns suppose the produce of the West in the cars of the Central Road at Staunton ; if the battle is to ensüe with Baltimore, which is alluded to, will it not be an easy victory for Richmond? If it goes to Baltimore it will have an increased distance of 82 miles to encounter, besides the delay , damage and expense of transhipment. It must be remembered that the Central Ra ad will not very readily surrender the trade when once in its cars, if it can do anything lawfully to retain it. There is much it can dp, which it is not necessary to enumerate. There is another important fact to he considered : the heavy tonnage will no doubt be transferred to the Canal at the point of connection ; I allude to the Flour, Bacon, Hemp, Iron, Coal, &c., which will, from every consideration, belong to the Canál, because it ought to be carried at rates that will not be very profitable to a Railroad. Baltimore, in any event, will struggle in vain for trade once embarked on the Central Road. I will close this letter with a table of distances, from which it may be judged which of these two lines is most likely to bring the trade of the far West to Richmond ; which of the two has the best prospect of getting that revenue from travel which is admitted by all to be neces¬ sary to enable a road to transport freight at rates low enough to get it at Cincinnati, when the "battle ensues between Baltimore and IP mond," when there will be competition for it, through the vario, channels of Rail Roads and Canals leading to Northern markets : From Cincinnati, via Parkersburg, to Baltimore, say 600 miles, From Cincinnati to Point Pleasant, by Railroad sur¬ vey, ...... 156 „ From Point Pleasant to Greenbrier river, by Railroad survey, 152 580 miles. 586 miles, 218 miles. 136 miles. 6 • • / From Greenbrier river, by your report, to Cbristiansburg, 77£ From Christiausburg to Lynchburg, by same report, 86 From Lynchburg to Junction of Danville Road, (See Rep. of S Side Road,) - 67^ From Danville Junction to Richmond, - 55" From Cincinnati to Richmond, via Lynchburg and Ohris- tiansburg, - - - . - - 593 miles. It seems the distances differ but little, not enough to affect the trade- if the charge for freight was very low on a competing line, and in this comparison I have placed Baltimore 20 miles farther than Major Gvvynn. From Cincinnati to Baltimore, via Lynchburg and Richmond, according to Major Gwynn, - - 760 miles. From Cincinnati to Baltimore by Parkersburg, - 600 miles. 160 miles. Increased distance from Cincinnati to Baltimore by the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad is 160 miles, which settles the question that it can get none of that travel. From Cincinnati to Washington, via Lynchburg apd Richmond, - - - - - - 720 miles. From Cincinnati to Washington, via Baltimore and Ohio road, - - - - 622 miles. 98 miles. Increased distance to Wäshington from Cincinnati by Lynchburg and Richmond 9S miles, and, therefore, none of the Washington travel will come by that route. It seems to me, looking at these facts, there is but a poor prospect of getting revenue enough from travel on the New River branch to enable the company to put the freight at rates low enough to attract it. Now let us see how it will be with the Central line. From Cincinnati to Washington, via Parkersburg, as above, - - - - - 622 miles. From Cincinnati to the mouth of Greenbrier, 308 miles. From Greenbrier to Staunton, via Covington, 146 miles. From Staunton to Gordonsville, - 60 miles. From Gordonsville, via Orange and Alexandria road to Washington, - - 94 miles. From Cincinnati to Washington by Central line, - - - - - - 608 miles. 14 miles. Nearer by 14 miles by the Central than the Baltimore and Ohio road. This advantage of distance, added to that of climate and grades, must bring all the Washington travel over the Central Route , and as Washington city must always be a point of attraction for passengers going farther North, it may be expected that the Central line can enter into a fair competition for all the Western travel, making a fair allow¬ ance for the advantage it possesses over the Baltimore Road upon the principle of equating grades. . T The revenue which the Central Road must draw from the multitudes visiting the various mineral springs of Western Virginia, will be an amount difficult to estimate. Without stating my own impressions as to the value of this resource for revenue, I think it is apparent that the Central line has much the best prospect of being likely to get sufficient profit from passengers to enable it to bring freight at those low rates which are necessary to secure it for Virginia. Yery respectfully, E. FONTAINE. From the Whig January 24. The allusion contained in an article in your paper of Wednesday, from the pen of Col. Garnett, to recent communications of my own ; and the arguments—if they may be so termed—of that article, are not, as he perhaps supposes, the closing of the debate between us, on the subject of railway gradients. The gallant Colonel has not yet broken a lance 011 the body of my argument ; but fighting like one who beateth the air, has but encoun¬ tered a phantom of his own raising ; and as Falstaff slew the already dead Percy, " with a new wound in the thigh," so has lie done renew¬ ed murder on the antiquated and abandoned system of inclined planes with stationary power. Not heingable, as I shall presently show, to meet the issues proposed by me, he has contrived a false issue, in affecting to suppose that in the exceptional grades of the Alleghany, mentioned in my recent com¬ munications, there was intended to he an application of this disused plan. An ordinary citizen—to say nothing of an engineer—must have been in a Rip Van Wynkle slumber in regard to railway progress, not to have learned that that sort of exceptional grades, as the Colonel calls them, has been long dead or forgotten , or deserved to be so. Any candid reader of my reports of the last and the present year, can perceive at once that there is not the slightest ground for such a mis¬ take ; and I cannot do such injustice to the real good sense of Colonel Garnett, as to believe that my meaning was ever so misapprehended by him The proof that no reference was had in my rç ports to the old station¬ ary system, so ingeniously confounded by Col. Garnett, with my men¬ tion of exceptional grade, will at once be found in the subjoined quo¬ tations from my report of last year. In them also will be found the evidence—though Col. Garnett may not know, as he says, how assist¬ ant power on an exceptional grade will work, because he " is not aware that it has ever been tried at any place in our whole country, where there was a large trade to accommodate"—-that súch applications of power haa^e been for some years successfully made in Great dritain, and have entirely supplanted the old method of stationary power. Unless ave suppose the laavs of gravity and mechanical resistance to be different in this country, we may be satisfied to proceed at once in imitation of the very extended and successful use of assistant locomo¬ tive power at certain points of railways. It can no longer be considered an experiment. ' 8 The Railway Department of the Board of Trade, was constituted, by minute of the Lords of the Committee of the Privy Council for Trade, for the transaction of railway business. This body made a re¬ port to Parliament in 1845, on the railways of the Manchester and Leeds district. From this important document, which is still in my possession, my last year's report made sundry quotations ; and that legislators and others interested in a true solution of this question, may not be con- , fused by sophisticated or uncandid statements, I will here repeat such portions as will show that my real meaning ought not to have been mistaken, and that my facts can be substantiated. The parliamentary repoft observes (see my own report last year, As¬ sembly Doc. No. 18, page 470, near the bottom.) " It is important to ascertain, by reference to actual practice, the results which have al- already been arrived at, aud which must he taken as starting points to guide us in the consideration of any new scheme." • " The Lickey incline on the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway, is a conclusive proof that a gradient of 1 in 37^, (nearly 141. feet per milej) for a length of 2 miles, 3 chains, may be worked by the aid of an ougine constructed for the purpose, without serious inconvenience to an extensive traffic. It is also proof that such an incline maybe descended without, danger by the force of gravity regulated by the ac¬ tion of brakes." u The Sutton incline of 1 in S3, on the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, is surmounted by the ordinary trains of that railway, whose traffic is of a very heavy description, with a single locomotive." " The use of a stationary engine for ascending the incline on the Manchester and Leeds Railway, from the Victoria station, which is 1 in 59 for 1000 yards, and 1 in 49 (nearly 110 feet per mile) for 640 yards, has been in a great measure discontinued, the ordinary goods- engine being found.capable of taking up it heavy passengers and good trains of not less than 80 tons." " On the Glasgow and Edinburgh Railway, stationary power has also been discontinued, the locomotive engiqe being found a more effi¬ cient and economical substitute on the Glasgow incline of 1 in 42 (125 feet per mile) for 1|- miles ; and recently the locomotive engine lias been equally substituted for stationary power upon the inclined plane of the London and Birmingham railway, from the Euston square terminus to Camdentown, parts of* which are at 1 in 66, and 1 in 75." " Many other facts of a similar nature might be quoted, but the above seem quite sufficient to establish the general proposition." " 1. That gradients of from 1 in 50 to 1 in 100, are perfectly practi¬ cal to the ordinary locomotive, with moderate loads." {c 2. That gradients up to 1 in 37 J, or higher, may be surmounted 1 by heavy trains with the aid of an assistant engine of peculiar con¬ struction M These quotations will show that I have not announced, as Colonel Garnelt aifects to think, any new or imperfectly tried principle. I therefore pass by, as not relevant to our discussion, his list of railways having stationary assistant engines. Nearly twenty years since, in common with other engineers, I thought them deserving examination, 9 and visited those at the North for that purpose. I know no railway here in Virginia on which the grade has exceeded 70 feet to the mile, except one of Gol. GarnetCs—the Greensville and Gaston—where the grade is 92 feet per mile for about 1 mile. Here the trains used to be, and are still in all probability, propelled by successive operations to a temporary depot at the head of the plain. I presume an assistant en¬ gine of the requisite force was not used because the traffic was not sufficiently active to keep it at full work. One eminently practical and experienced engineer, Mr. Latrobe, of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, has not scrupled, in obedience to the convictions effected by these English—(not Yankee) experiments—to embrace in the space of 52.4 miles, 33£ miles continuous gradients of from 5 to 10 miles each, with a rate of grade varying from 100 to 11G feet per mile. Col. Gamett asks, "would not every man suppose that Mr. Shaw had intended giving a fair comparison of the grades on the two lines connecting Richmond with the mouth of Greenbrier ?" He then makes sundry statements in regard to the grades between Staunton and Cov¬ ington, and on the Blue Ridge Railroad, calculated to draw the public aside from considering the proposition made to him twice before, and which I here repeat, to compare the profiles on both lines, and to equate the distances according—to use his own language again—" to the rule generally used fer assigning to a certain amqunt of ascents and de¬ scents on a road their equivalent in distance." If he wishes to estab¬ lish the superiority in grade of his road, he must accept this issue, or stand before the community the defeated party. I never pretended to make this "fair comparison" as alleged against me between the Virginia and Tennessee and the Central Roads throughout ; I only invited Col. Garnett to do so—believing, as I still do, from a good general knowledge of both lines, that the Central Railroad is the better line of the two even to Richmond. I did make such comparisons as demonstrate that, even were the Virginia and Tennessee better in grade, the whole Western travelling towards Washington and Baltimore would prefer the Central line ; and such morever as show that in connection with the James River Canal, the* Covington and Ohio Railroad will effectually deprive the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad of the tonnage traffic. I trust I need not re¬ peat that argument. It is before the public in another document. The Colonel concludes his article by a little flourish regarding the