Jones, Norris M. . A letter to a Methodist, Baltimore, 1844. YALE UNIVERSITY LIBRARY LETTER TO A METHODIST. BY A PRESBYTER OF THE DIOCESE OF MARYLAND. NevW-S M. Tones BALTIMORE: PUBLISHED BY D. BRUNNER, WOODS & CRANE, PRINTfiks. 1844. The work referred to in the following pages under the title of the "Book of Discipline," is the "Doctrines and Discipline of the Me thodist Episcopal Church." — New York, 1843. Lee's "A Short History of the Methodists in the United States of America," &c, is a work frequently referred to in the follow ing pages. Mr. Lee was one of the most respectable and respect ed of the early Methodist Preachers. He was a Chaplain to Con gress, and Author of Lee's Life. In 1800 he was ballotted for by the Conference for the office of "Bishop," though he lost his elec tion by four votes. — Baltimore edition. 1810. A LETTER TO A METHODIST. , December 1, 1843. Dear Sir : Your letter, requesting me " briefly to set down on paper" the substance of the various conversations we have had re specting the validity of Wesley's ordinaiions, and other points con nected with the polity of the "Methodist Church," together with the views you have, from time to time, heard me express, of the necessity and reality of an Apostolic Succession in the Christian ministry, was, some time ago, received, but a variety of engage ments has prevented my complying with your request until the present time. In undertaking even now to comply with it> I am occupying time, which is demanded by other and importunate ser vices ; but, as I consider your letter in the light of an earnest de sire to ascertain the Truth, I do not feel myself at liberty to refuse the information therein requested. In doing this, I shall follow the order above given, and I. Enquire into the validity of Wesley's ordinations. On this point rests the validity of the Methodist ministry. If Wesley had authority to ordain Dr. Coke a Bishop, then it is con ceded that the Methodists have a lawful ministry and lawful sacra ments; but, if Wesley had no such authority to ordain him, then his ordination of Dr. Coke was a nullity, and the Methodists have neither a lawful ministry, nor lawful sacraments; and as there can not be a Christian Church without a lawful ministry and lawful sa craments, it will, in that case, necessarily follow, that what is called the "Methodist Church," is not, as such, a part of the Church of Christ. Now, lest you might suppose that some wrong is done to the Methodists in the issue here made, I shall quote the first section of their "Book of Discipline," to prove that the entire validity of the Methodist ministry is made by themselves to rest upon Wesley's or dination of Dr. Coke. It is as follows : "On the Origin of the Methodist Episcopal Church." "The preachers* and members of our Society in general, being convinced that there was a great deficiency of vital religion in the Church of England in America, and being in many places desti tute of the Christian Sacraments, as several of the clergy had for- * At this time, the preachers were considered only lay-preachers, and according to the uniform advice of Mr. Wesley, had declined adminis tering the sacraments. In 1778, a few of these Iny-preachers, in Virginia, undertook to ordain each other, thinking thereby~\o get the power of ad ministering the sacraments! but, by a vote of one of the Conferences, this ordination was declared invalid! (Life of Wesley by Coke and Moore, chap. 3, sec. 2.) saken their churches, requested the late Rev. John Wesley to take such measures, in his wisdom and prudence, as would afford them suitable relief in their distress. "In consequence of this, our venerable friend, who, under God , has been the father of the great revival of religion now extending over the earth by means of the Methodists, determined to ordain ministers for America; and, for this purpose, in the year 1784, sent over three regularly* ordained clergy: but preferring Episcopal mode of Church government to any other, he solemnly set apart, by the imposition otitis hands and prayer, one of them, viz. Thomas Coke, Doctor of Civil Law, late of Jesus College, in the University of Oxford, and a Presbyter of the Church of England, for the Epis copal office; and having delivered to him letters of Episcopal or ders, commissioned-! and directed him to set apart Francis Asbury , then general assistant of the Methodist Society in America, for the same Episcopal office ; he the said Francis Asbury, being first^ or dained deacon and elder.}: In consequence of which, the said Francis Asbury was solemnly set apart for the said Episcopal office by prayer, and the imposition of the hands of the said Thomw Coke, other rpgtilarlv§ ordained ministers assisting in the sacreci ceremony. At which -time[| the General Conference/held at Bal timore, did unanimously receive the said Thomas Coke and Francis Asbury as their Bishops, being fully satisfied of the validity of their Episcopal ordination." Thus you will perceive that the validity of the Methodist minis try is made, by the Methodists themselves, to depend on the validity of Dr. Coke's ordination by Wesley. Let us, then, seriously enquire, where did Wesley obtain the Authority to ordain Dr. Coke? It certainly was not born with him; for authority to ordain a minister of Christ is born with" no man. He could not have obtained it from any temporal power ; for all the kings and governors of the earth combined cannot ordain a minister of Christ, nor confer the authority to ordain one. * Thesfr 'regularly ordained clergy," were clergy of the Church of England. They were not ordained by Wesley. The Methodists here themselves draw the distinction betweeD "regularly ordained clergy" and Wesley "s ordinations. 1 Lest it might be supposed, that Wesley had "commissioned" Dr. Coke, in these (so-called) "letters of Episcopal orders," to "set apart" Mr. Asbury for the "same Episcopal office," it is proper to state that no such "commission" is given to Dr. Coke in said "letters." Where is this "commission" to be found? J As some might think from this language, that Wesley had "first or dained [Mr. Asbury] deacon and elder," it should be known, that As bury received no ordination from H'etley. He was only a layman, when Dr. Coke came to America; and Dr. Coke ordained him a deacon, elder and superintendant, or, (as he afterwards called himself,) a Bishop, in the course of a few days! (See Lee's "Short history of the Methodists " p. 94.) § One of these "regularly ordained" ministers was a German minister named Otterbine! (Lee's History, p. 94 ) (| This is not true. The General Conference did not at that "time'' receive Coke and Asbury as Bishops, as wdl be shown hereafter. Was this authority conferred on Wesley at his ordination ? — Plainly not : because the authority for ordaining, in the Church of England, (of which Wesley was a member,) is confined exclusively to the order of Bishops, and Wesley was not consecrated a Bishop, but only ordained a Presbyter. As no such authority was then conferred on Wesley, he did not obtain it when he was ordain ed. That you may perceive at a glance, what authority was con ferred on Wesley when he was ordained, I shall transcribe the very words used by the Bishop who ordained him. You may find them in the Office for "The ordering of Priests," in the Book of Com mon Prayer ; they are as follows : ''Receive the Holy Ghost for the office and work of a Priest in the Church of God, now committed unto thee by the imposition of our hands: whose sins thou dost forgive, they are forgiven; and whose sins thou dost retain, they are retained : And be Hum a faith ful Dispenser of the Word of God, and of His lioly Sacraments : In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen." By this, /brm, every Presbyter of the Church of England is or dained : of course, Wesley was thus ordained ; and you may per ceive, at once, that no authority to ordain was then committed unto him. But here your preachers meet us with the argument, that Bishops and Presbyters are one and the same order of ministers ; and, there fore, Wesley being a Presbyter, was also a Bishop, and therefore had authority to ordain — and this, too, in the teeth of the tact, as I have just proved, that no such authority was given to him at his ordination ! Whether Bishop and Presbyter be the same order, is a point I shall consider hereafter; at present, I shall content my self with showing, that this argument will not avail the Methodists in the least, because: If Wesley were a Bishop, because he was a Presbyter, then Dr. Coke must also have been a Bishop, since he was a Presbyter when Wesley "laid his hands on him." And if Dr. Coke was already a Bishop, what did Wesley make him by ordaining him 1 Not a Bishop, surely ; for he was one already, if Presbyters and Bishops be the same order ! What then? He must have made him an of ficer higher than a Bishop — an officer unknown to the Church of God ! Besides, if Dr. Coke, being a Presbyter, was, therefore, a Bishop, he had the same right to ordain Wesley, as Wesley had to ordain him ! This argument, I consider so unanswerable and conclusive, to prove the invalidity of Coke's ordination, that I might well here let the subject rest ; but, before 1 close shall again advert to it, for rea sons which will then appear. Having thus disposed of one of the chief arguments by which the Methodists attempt to show that Wesley had authority to or dain, I shall now proceed to consider their other great argument, namely, that Wesley had a "Providential call" to ordain. When Wesley sent out Dr. Coke, he gave him the following in strument of writing, which "The Book of Discipline," above quot ed, calls his "letters of Episcopal orders ;" 1* '•To all to whom these presents shall come, John Wesley, late fel low of Lincoln College, in Oxford, Presbyter of the Church of England, sendeth greeting : "Whereas, many of the people in the Southern Provinces of North America, who desire to continue under my care, and still adhere to the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England, are greatly distressed for want of ministers to administer the sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper, according to the usage of the same Church : and, whereas, there does not appear to be any otlier v:mj of supplying them with ministers — "Know all men, that I, John Wesley, think myself to be provi dentially called at this time to set apart some persons for the work of the ministry in America. And therefore, under the protection of Almighty God, and with a singl? eye to his glory, I have this day set apart as a Superintendent, by the imposition of my hands'* and prayer, (being assisted by other ordained ministers,) Thomas Coke, Doctor of Civil Law, a Presbyter of the Church of England, and a man whom I judge to be well qualified for that great work. And I do hereby recommend him to all whom it may concern, as a tit person to preside over the flock of Christ. In testimony where of, I have hereunto set my hand and seal, this second day of Sep tember, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four.j John Wesley." Whatever may be meant by the phrase, "providentially called." in the above document, Wesley has saved us the trouble of finding it out, for he expressly tells us why he thought he had this "provi dential call," namely, because, there does not appear to be any other u'era 31 power of Confirmation, Paul and Barnabas are expressly men tioned in the Acts as travelling about, and confirming the Churched (Acts xiv. 22, 28.) Barnabas exercised this power equally with St. Paul. ' 4. The Apostles communicated to another body of men, the rule over the inferior clergy. St. Paul writes to Timothy : "That thou mightest charge some,, that they teach no other [that is, no false] doctrine" — "against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses" — "them [that is, the elders thus on trial] that sin, rebuke before all, that others may fear" I charge thee, that thou observe these things, [these rules, for the discipline of the clergy,] without preferring one before another, doing no thing by partiality." (I Tim. i. iii. v. 19, 20, 21.) The same over sight is extended over the Deacons. Timothy is told, "that they must first be^ro-cd; then let them use the office of a Deacon, be ing found blameless." (1 Tim. iii. 22.) So, when Titus was to "ordain elders in every city,"/ie was made the judge of their qual ifications. (Titus i. 5.) Thus, also, the Angel (or Apostle*) of the Church at Ephesus, in the year 96, is commended by our Lord, for disciplining those who claimed to be "Apostles" — that is, who usurped the powers of the first order of the Christian ministry, as Coke and Asbury did — when they were not. (Rev. ii. 2 ) 5. The Apostles communicated to another body of men, the power to preside in the councils of the Church. As there is but one instance recorded in Scripture of a council being held, (Acts xv.) we have, of course, no evidence from Scripture on this point, as, at that council St. James presided. But all history testifies to the fact, that, from the foundation of the Church to the present day, there never was an instance of one of the second order in the Church, who presided in the councils of the Church. The chair was always filled by one of the first order of the ministry. Nor was this a local custom merely. In Europe, Asia, and Africa, it was one, universal, rule. 6. The Apostles communicated to another body of men, the power of individually governing one particular Church, having under them Presbyters and Deacons : in other words, the Apostles committed the government of each Church to one man, having un der him Presbyters and Deacons. The Epistle of St. Paul to Timothy is full and complete on this point. Complete authority was given to him, and to no one else, over the Church in Ephesus; and though he might have made journeys occasionally to other places, there is not a particle of evi dence to show that he ever resided permanently any where except in Ephesus. He had full authority given to him, to watch over, brina- to trial, and judge, the inferior orders of the ministry ; and his jurisdiction extended to all classes of the laity, so as to com mand and rebuke them. (1 Tim.i.3.,ii. 11., iv. 17., v. 20.; 2 Tim. iv. 2.) The Epistle of St. Paul to Titus affords another instance of this establishment of one man, with Apostolic authority over a Church * The word Angel, and Apostle, have the same signification — one that is sent. 32 in one place, and that very often a very large district of country. The island of Crete had within it one hundred cities ; yet St. Paul writes to Titus, " For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee," (Titus i. 5.) He had au thority not only to ordain, but to "stop the mouths" — that is, pre vent the preachyng—-o{ those, who taught false doctrine. (Titus i. 11.) He had authority to "reject heretics" — that is, to cast them out of the Church. (Titus iii. 10 ) And the supervision of all classes of the laity is committed to him, as the whole Epistle tes tifies. By reference," likewise, to the second and third chapters of Rev elations, you will find, that, in the year 96, (when that book was written,) there was in the Church at Ephesus, Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, Smyrna, and Thyatira, one man, in each Church, invested with Apostolic authority, called an Angel; to whom St. John was commanded to write the short Epistles con tained in those chapters, and who were held accountable to God for the state of the Churches they governed. 7. And with their peculiar powers, the Apostles communicated to the body of men who were to exercise them, their own peculiar name of "Apostle." See the case of Matthias, (Acts i. 22, 26., iv. 33.) Barnabas is called an Apostle. (Acts xiv. 14.) Paul, Syl vanus, and Timothy, addressed an Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians, in which they expressly call themselves Apostles. (I Thess. i. 1., ii. 6.) Andronicus and Junia are called Apostles. (Rom. xvi. 7.) And other like cases could be mentioned. Thus Jerome says : "In process of time, others were ordained Apostles, by those whom our Lord hath chosen, as that passage in Philip- pians shows, 'I supposed it necessary to send unto you Epaphro- ditus, your Apostle.' "* (Com. Gal. i. 19.) I have thus, sir, with as much particularity as the nature of a letter will admit, examined into the powers of the three orders of the Christian ministry ; and you are now enabled to perceive, not only that the three orders are entirely distinct, but that the highest order, called Apostles, possessed an authority in the Church of God greatly superior to either of the lower orders ; an authority, indeed, so distinct and so superior, that for any of the lower orders to lay claim to it, would be the grossest usurpation. All the au thority and power in the Church was given by Christ to His Apos tles; a portion of this power and authority was committed by the Apostles to the Presbyters and Deacons ; but the authority com mitted to them terminated with themselves — they had no power to continue it by communicating it to others. But although this was the case with Presbyters and Deacons, it was not so with all those whom the A postles ordained. The full power and authority which the Apostles derived from Christ, under His high Commission I have shown, was transmitted, in every particular necessary for the perpetuation of the Christian ministry, and for the government of the Church, to another body of men, who occupied "an equal rank * The English translation says "your Messenger," but the Greek is "your Jpostolon." 33 with themselves as Apostles in the Church. And thus we have a full explanation of the meaning of the Commission (in regard to the succession in the Christian ministry,) which Christ gave to His Apostles, and as they understood it. He, therein, says, "As my Father has sent me, Even so send I you." God sent Christ with authority to send otliers to be His successors in the establishment and government of His Church ; and the Apostles, clothed with the same authority, sent others to be their successors in the exercise of the Apostolic office. And as Christ, when he gave them this Commission, told them he would he with them in the exercise of it "always [every day] even until the end of the world," it is plain, to a demonstration, that the Commission to appoint their succes sors must last until "the end of the world ;" and that, of course, there must have always been, and are now, a body of men clothed with Apostolic authority who hold, and act under, this Commis sion derived from Christ, through the Apostles, of sending others, and of governing the Church, because the "end of the world" has not yet come. Now, for this to be the case, those, who succeeded the Apostles, roust have appointed a body of men clothed with the same Com mission of sending others, &c, as they had themselves derived from tire Apostles; these, in their turn, must have appointed others with a like Commission ; and so on, one generation after another, until the present time. Was such the fact? Did the successors of the Apostles appoint others with a like Commission with themselves ? If so, who were the persons thus appointed? Hitherto, I have relied nearly altogether on the Scriptures for proof of the Apostolic Commission and Succession ; but we have now arrived at a period to which the Scripture history does not extend. We have no more precedents of that kind upon the file. We shall, therefore, have to rely on other testimony : testimony, however, of the very highest character : the testimony, namely, by which we receive the Bible as the Word of God;* the testimony by which we know that the Faith we now possess is that which has ever been held by the saints and martyrs of all ages since the Apostles; the testimony, by which we administer infant baptism, keep the first day of the week holy instead of the Jewish Sabbath, and admit women to partake of the Lord's Supper — the testimony of the Holy Catholic Church of God ; and, in a sense, subordinate thereto, the testimony of History — the same testimony by which • The Church receives the Old Testament as the Word of God, not because it was possessed by the Jews, but on the authority of Christ, who ratified the Canon of the Old Testament, which, under the division of the ' Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms, comprehended the whole Hebrew Scriptures. (Luke xxiv. 44.) And we receive the same Scriptures on the authority of the Church, and likewise the books of the New Testa ment. The fifth of the Methodist articles of religion is, in part, as fol lows : (Book of Discipline, page 10.) "In the name of tbe Holy Scripture, we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church." The above is taken from the sixth Article of the Church of England. 34 we prove that there has been a succession of Kings in France, or England, or of Presidents in the United States of America. To the question, then : did the successors of the Apostles appoint others, with a like Commission with that which they had received from the Apostles ? I answer, unhesitatingly, Yes ; and, that this Commission has been continued to the present day, in the order of men called Bishops, in regular succession. Here, perhaps, you may ask, (as you have asked,) How is this? Have the successors of the Apostles given up their Commissions to the second order of the ministry — the Bishops, or Presbyters? I answer, No : the second order of ministers, though, during the life lime of some of the Apostles, they bore the name of Bishop, never exercised those peculiar powers, which belonged to the first and highest order of the Christian ministry. I shall let two ancient Fathers of the Church, who wrote more than 1400 years ago, ex plain this matter: Hilary the Deacon, the author of a commentary, generally quot ed under the name of St. Ambrose, thus writes: "They who are now called Bishops, were originally called Apostles. But the holy Apostles being dead, they who were ordained to govern the Churches, could not arrive at the excellency of these first, nor had they the testimony of miracles, but were, in many other respects, inferior to them.* Therefore they thought it not decent to assume to themselves the name of Apostles; but dividing the names, they left to Presbyters the name of the Presbytery, and they themselves were called Bishops." (Cited in Bingham's Orig. Eccles. lib. ii. c. 2, sec. 1.) Theodoret, one of the earliest ecclesiastical historians, says : — "The same persons were anciently called promiscuously both Bi shops and Presbyters, whilst those who are now called Bishops, were [anciently] called Apostles. But shortly after, the name Apostles was appropriated to such only as were Apostles indeed ; and then the name Bishop was given to those who before were called Apostles," (Theod. Com. in 1 Tim.) such as Timothy, Bar nabas, Junia, Andronicus, Sec. This explains the whole matter. And besides, there was a pe culiar propriety in calling the successors of the Apostles Bishops, in order to distinguish them from the Apostles themselves. By re ferring to the first chapter of the Acts, you will find that Judas, an Apostle, had a "Bishoprick" — that is, he was an Apostolic Bisliop. This being vacant, in consequence of his death, Matthias was' elect ed into his room, and "took his bishoprick" — here, then, was ano ther Apostolic Bishop. It does not appear, however', that the Apostles ever used their title of Bishop, but simply that of Apostle. The successors of the Apostles, then, when they relinquished the name Apostle lo those who were the original Apostles, and took for themselves the name of Bishop, only took that which belonged to their office, but which the Apostles had not seen proper to use Now, who would suppose, didVe not see it with our eyes that any body of men could be found, who would claim for members of * As in discerning of spirits, the gift of tongues, foretelling- future events, freedom from error in doctrine, &_c. &.c. 35 the second order of the ministry the right to be such Apostolic Bi shops, merely because the name of Bishop happened for a few years, (about twenty years,) to be occasionally given to the second order of the ministry !,! Yet it is on this ground, that the Metho dist claim for Wesley, Coke, &c, the right to ordain ! Because Presbyters are, for a short time (till the year 65,) in the New Tes tament, occasionally called Bishops, they claim to be the some or der with those Apostolic Bishops, who succeeded the Apostles in their office and authority ! ! and thus to exalt the inferior order of Presbyters, to the rank and power of the first order of ministers in the Church of God ! I shall now proceed to show, that these men ordained by the Apostles with Apostolic authority, (but who, out of respect to the Apostles, dropt the name of Apostle, and took the title of Bishop,) appointed others, with a like Commission with that which had been given to them, and who thereby, in their turn, became the succes sors of the Apostles. Clement of Rome, the companion of St. Paul, and a Martyr, thus writes in the year 87 : "Our Apostles knew by our Lord Je sus Christ, that contentions would arise concerning the office of Bishop. And, therefore, having a perfect knowledge of this, they appointed persons, as we have before said, and then gave direction, in what manner, when they should die, other approved men should succeed in their ministry." — This is an extract from Clement's Epistle to the Corinthians; which, Eusebius tells us, was "uni versally received by all," and had in reverence next to holy Scrip ture", being "publicly read, in most of the Churches, for common ben efit, both in times past, and, also, in his memory." The fact, that this letter was thus received, revered, and read, proves that the doctrine of the Bishops being the successors of the Apostles, was the doctrine of the Church until the fourth century, when Eusebius wrote. And this fact is fully sustained by the evidence of other writers, who lived during that period. Thus, Irenasus, ordained by Polycarp, (who was the disciple of St. John,) Bishop of Lyons, A. D. 178, writes : "The doctrine of the Apostles is true know ledge ; and the ancient state of the Church, and the character of the body of Christ, is according to the succession of Bishops, to whom, in every place, they delivered the Church." (Work "against Heresies, book iv.) Tertullian, A. D. 200, thus writes : "Let the heretics set forth the order of their Bishops, so descending by succession from tbe be ginning, that he, who was the first Bishop, had one of the Apos tles, or of the Apostolical men who was in full communion with the Apostles, for his author and predecessor. For, in this manner, the Apostolical Churches bring down their registers; as the Church of Smyrna had Pohjcarp placed over them by John; as the Church of Rome had Clement ordained by Peter ; as the other Churches also set forth those who were made Bishops over them by the Apostles." (Of Her. Pres. c. 32.) Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, A. D. 250: "This, brother, is and ou°ht to be, our principal labor and study, to the utmost of our power,"*) take care that the unity may still obtain which was de livered by our Lord and by His Apostles to us, their Jwcce.sor_." (Epl. ad Corn.) 36 Again, Cyprian thus writes: "From thence, through the course of times and successions, the ordination of Bishops, and the frame of the Church, is transmitted, so that the Church is built upon the Bishops, and all her affairs are ordered by the chief rulers ; and, therefore, seeing this is God's appointment, I must needs wonder at the audacious daring of some, who have chosen to write to me, as if in the name of a Church, whereas a Church is only consti tuted in the Bishop, clergy, and faithful Christians." (Ibid.) Firmilian, A. D. 250, thus writes : "The power of remitting sins was given to the Apostles, and to the Churches which they found ed, and to the Bishops, who succeeded to the Apostles, by a vicarious ordination." (Epl. ad Cyp.) Clarus a Muscula, Bishop in the province of Carthage, A. D; 250 : "The sentence of our Lord Jesus Christ is manifest, sending his Apostles, and to them alone committing the power given him by His Father; to whom we [Bishops] have succeeded, governing the Church of our Lord with the same power." (Orat. in Con. Carlh.) Thus we have the most positive testimony, from men living in various parts of Europe, Asia, and Africa, that until the fourth cen tury, the doctrine of the Apostolical Succession was the universal doctrine of the Church; and that the Bishops of the Church were, by the whole Church throughout the world, received as, and ac counted to be, the successors of the Apostles. I have already quoted Eusebius, the historian, who every where asserts the same doctrine, and in the beginning of the fourth cen tury, gives us a list, (which I have, also, quoted,) of the Bishops, in Apostolical succession, in the four principal Churches of Jeru salem, Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria. This brings us down to the great council of Nice, in the year 325. This council was con vened by the Emperor Constantine, for the purpose of considering the heresy of .Erius. Who composed this council? Were Pres byters and Deacons summoned by the Emperor, to settle the Faith of the Church of God? No. It was to the Bishops, the succes sors of the Apostles, in their power and authority, to whom the Imperial Commission was issued, to declare what was the Faith of the Church, in the same manner as their holy predecessors in office had declared what was the Faith of the Church, and "deli vered it to the saints" of their day. (Jude 3.) At this council, com-' posed of several hundred Bishops from all parts of the world, who presided? A Presbyter? No. A Bishop; the venerable Hosius; in the same manner as St. James presided at the first council held at Jerusalem. This council declared what was then the Faith of the Church, in a Creed, or form of Belief, which, known by the name of the Nicene Creed, has ever since, in all quarters of the globe, been the Faith of the Church of God. Among the articles of the Faith therein enumerated is this: "I believe in one Catholic and Apostolic Church."* One : because the Church is the body • The Nicene Creed only speaks of the Catholic and Apostolic Church It was at the Council of Constantinople, held about fifty years afterwards' that this article in the Creed received its present form, of "the one Ca' tholic, and Apostolic Church." But the Creed is always called the Ni cene Creed. 37 of Christ, and Christ has but one body. (Eph. i. 22, 23., iv. 4.) Catholic — because it is universal, embracing (or to embrace) "all nations" of the earth, and teaching the whole body of Christian truth ; Apostolic — because it was founded by Christ acting by His Apostles, held the Faith as delivered by the Apostles, and possess ed a ministry which had descended in regular succession from the Apostles. And; such, indeed, was the Faith of the Church at that time, even had not this council assembled to declare it. The tes timony of these Bishops show, what was the Faith held in the Churches where they presided ; that it was the same delivered by the Apostles to the Church ; and the testimony of Clement, Ire- naaus, Tertullian, Eusebius, &c, proves, conclusively, that the doc trine universally held concerning the founding of the Church, and its ministry, was, mat it was founded by the Apostles, and that its ministry had come down in regular succession from the Apostles to that time ; and that no others were accounted to be Churches ex cept such as were thus founded ; and no other ministry to "be a valid minis.try, except, what could prove that it had thus descended. Such, then, is the joint testimony of history and the Church to the doctrine of the Apostolic Succession until the year 325 ; and this particular doctrine of the Apostolic constitution of the Church, received likewise the seal and sanction of the council of Constan tinople in the year 381, at which one hundred and fifty Bishops were present. Thus was set forth the Nioene Creed, embodying the Faith of the Christian Church. And this Creed has been the Faith of the Church, from that day to this. The whole history of the Church bears evidence to this fact . Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, century after century, for 1500 years, has the Church, by her adoption and profession of this Creed, borne Her testimony to the fact, that there is "one, Ca tholic, and Apostolic, Church ;" and, in so doing, bears her testi mony to her Belief, that her ministry is Apostolical — that is, that it has descended in regular succession from the Apostles. Travel where you will, in Europe, Asia, Afriea, or America, and you will find this one doctrine professed by the Church of God, embracing within its pale, more than two hundred millions of" Christians ; and you will find it denied by none (calling themselves "a Church") excepting those, who profess to derive their so called ministry, from" the second order of the Christian priesthood, such as Wesley, Coke, &c. That a "ministry" with such an origin — from mere Presbyters — should deny the doctrine of the Apostolical Succession, is just what might be expected ; because, if they were to confess that doctrine to be true, it would condemn them out of their own mouth. Here, perhaps, you may say, that, although there is no doubt of the existence of Bishops in a regular succession, until the fourth century, vet it may be asked, What evidence is there that Bishops have existed ever since ? And if they have existed ever since, what evidence is there, that the. chain which binds them to the Apostles, has not been broken ? With respect to the first question, What evidence is there that Bishops have existed ever since the fourth century ? I reply, the double evidence of History and the Church. Divide the last 1500 4 38 years into centuries; divide these centuries into years ; these years into months ; the months into days ; the days into hours ; and in every one of these centuries, years, months, days, and hours, His tory bears its evidence to the /it.., that Bishops, (having under them Presbyters and Deacons) have existed in the Church ofGoD. The Church also bears her testimony to this fact; (1.) because she has always expressed her Belief in the existence of the Apos tolic Church ; and this Apostolic Church could not exist, without an Apostolic ministry; and this Apostolic ministry must have be come extinct, unless there had alwaysheen Bishops to ordain others in the room of those who died — for the power of ordaining was not committed to Presbyters and Deacons : their poyvers terminate in themselves ; they have no authority given them to transmit them to others. (2.) The Church bears her testimony to this fact, be cause she has always kept a record of the ordination of her Bishops. A record is one of the very highest kinds of evidence known to the Law. It is admitted, in all trials before a Court of Law in proof of facts, touching our lives, property, rights, or character. This record, kept by the Church of her official acts, is evidence before a Jury, and is universally admitted as evidence in all Courts of Law and Equity. It is, then, evidence of the very highest char acter, to prove any fact whatever;* and is, therefore, the very best evidence to prove the fact of the existence of Bishops in the Chris tian Church, from the Apostles' days until now ; and that these Bishops were received by the Church, each in his day, as having been lawfully elected, and lawfully ordained . The various Churches of Europe — of Russia, Poland, Portugal, Rome? France, Spain, England, &c. ; of the East — of Constantinople, Alexandria, Syria, and Mesopotamia, all can show the regular successions of their Bi shops, either immediately from the Apostles, or else through the Bishops of an Apostolic Church — as the Bishops of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States, can show their succession through the Bishops of the Apostolic Church of England. In or der to satisfy you of the truth and reality of these records, I have already given you four from Eusebius to the fourth century; and shall now give you the succession of the Bishops in the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States, through the Bishops of the Church of England, from St. John the Apostle. St. John ordain ed Polycarp Apostle or Bishop of the Church of Smyrna. He, in turn, ordained Irenteus Bishop of the Church of Lyons in France, (then called Gaul.) The succession,-then, is as follows : ST. JOHN. 1. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, Bishops of Lyons. 1. Pothinus. 2. Ireuajus. 3. Zacharias. 4. Elias. 5. Faustinus. 6. Verus. 7. Julius. * We have no higher evidence than this, to prove that the New Tes tament was written by inspired Apostles : our Faith as Christians rests on no higher evidence than that, by which we prove that the BisboDS of each succeeding generation since the Apostles were lawfully ordained by other Bishops, who had themselves been lawfully ordained. 39 8. Ptolemy. 9. Vocius. 10. Maximus. 1 1 . Tetradus. 12. Verissimus. 13. Justus. 14. Albiuus. 15. Martin. 16. Antiochus. 17. Elpidius. 18. Sicarius. 19. Eucherius, 1. 20. Patiens. 21. Lupicinus. 22. Rusticus. 23. Stephanus. 24. Viventiolus. 25. Eucherius, 2. 26. Lupus. 27. Licontius. 28. Sacerdos. 29. Nicetus. 30. Priscus. 31.-Etherius. A.D.589. CANTERBURY. 32. A. D. 596. Augustine, mis sionary to the Anglo Sax- 33d "I ons, was consecrated by from I Virgilius, 24th Bishop St. vof Aries, assisted by John.j _3_therius, 31st Bishop of Lyons. A.D 34. Lawrence, 605 35..Mellitus, 619 36. Justus, 624 37. Honorius, 634 38. Adeodatus, 654 39. Theodore, 668 40. Brithwald, 693 41.Tatwine, 731 42. Nothelm, 735 43. Cuthbert, 742 44. Bregwin, 759 45. Lambert, 763 46. Ethelred,l, 793 47. Wulfred, 803 48. Theogild or Feogild, 830 consecrated June 5th, and died September 3d. 49. Ceolnoth, Sept. 830 50. jEthelred, 2d, 871 51. Phlegmund, 891 A. D. 52. Athelm, or Adelm, 923 53. Wulfelm, 928 54. Odo Severus, 941 55. Dunstan, 959 56. .Ethelgar, 988 57. Siricus, 989 58. Aluricus, or Alfricus, 996 59. Elphege, 1005 60. Living, or Leoning, or Elkskan, 1013 61. Agelmoth, or .Ethelnot, 1020 62. Edsin, or Elsin, 1038 63. Robert Gemeticensis, 1050 64. Stigand, 1052 65. Lanfranc, 1070 66. Anselm, 1093 67. Rodulph, 1114 68. William Corbell, 1122 69. Theobold, 1138 70. Thomas a Becket, 1 162 71, Richard, 1174 72. Baldwin Fordensis, 1184 73. Reginald Fitz-Joceline, 1 191 74. Hubert Walten, 1193 75. Stephen Langton, 1207 76. Richard Wethersfield, 1229 77. Edmund, 1234 78. Boniface, 1245 79. Robert Kilwarby, 1272 80. John Peckham, 1278 81". Robert Winchelsea, 1294 82. Walter Reynold, 1313 83. Simon Mepham, 1328 84. John Stratford, 1333 85. Thomas Bradwardine, 1348 86. Simon Islip, 1349 87. Simon Langham, 1366 88. Wm. Wittlesey, 1368 89. Simon Sudbury, 1375 90. William Courtnay, 1381 9 1 . Thomas Arundel, 1 396 92. Henry Chic.hely, 1414 93. John Stafford, 1443 94. John Kemp, 1452 95. Thomas Bourcher, 1454 96. John Morton, 1486 97. Henry Dean, 1501 "".William Wareham, 1503 99. Thomas Cranmer, 1533 100. Reginald Pole, 1555 101. Matthew Parker, , 1559 102. Edmund Grindall,Dec. 1573 40 A. D. 103. John Whitgift, 1583 104. Richard Bancroft, 1604 105. George Abbott, 1611 106. William Laud, 1633 107. William Juxon, 1660 108. Gilbert Sheldon, 1663 109. William Sancroft, 1677 110. John Tillotson, 1691 111. Thomas Tennison, 1694 112. William Wake, 1715 113. John Potter, 1737 114. Thomas Seeker, 1738 115. Thomas Herring, 1747 116. Matthew Hutton, 1757 117. Frederick Cornwallis, 1768 A.D. 118. John Moore, 1783 American Bishofs. 119. From St. John, is Wil liam White, of Penn sylvania, consecrated Feb. 4, 1787, by John Moore, Archbishop of Canterbury, assisted by the Archbishop of York, the Bishop of Bath and Wells, and the Bishop of Peterborough. 120. Alex. V. Griswold, 181 1 121. Wm.R.Whittingham, 1840 Alongside of this noble list of Christian Bishops, headed by an Apostle, holding in his hand a Commission from Christ Himself, and composed of a friend and companion of the beloved Apostle, of martyrs and confessors — "men who have hazarded their lives for the Name of the Lord Jesus" — alongside of this noble list, I say, embracing the great and good of all ages of the Church, place the Methodist Succession ! ! "Q,. Who are the persons that exercise the Episcopal office in the Methodist Church in Europe and America ? "A. John Wesley, Thomas Coke, and Francis Asbury, by re gular order and succession." A fine succession of Bishops this from Wesley, a Preslryter of the Church! one of the second order of the Christian ministry ! A succession, too, in which Wesley denies that he was a Bishop ! In which he denies that Asbury was a Bishop ! In which Coke, after pretending to be a Bishop, applies to Bishop Seabury to ordain him and Asbury over again! ! O shame ! shame ! ! shame ! ! ! But, here, your other question comes in : admitting the fact to be true, that Bishops have always existed in the Christian Church, and that they have always claimed to be, and the Church has al ways received them as, the successors of the Apostles— what evi dence is there, that the chain which binds them to the Apostles by successive successions has not been broken ? I reply, that this chain has not been broken, because it is impos sible that it could be broken. 1 . Because, if it have been broken, then there is no Christian ministry on earth. The Christian ministry was established by Christ Himself as I have fully shown ; and no man has any authority to act as His minister, unless he be authorized so to do by Christ Himself (as were the Apostles and St. Paul)— or, unless he receive his authority from those, whom Christ authorized to give it to him (which was the case of those, whom the Apostles ordained.) The Apostles or St. Paul, would have had no authority to act as ministers of Christ unless Christ had given them authority so to do. On the supposi- 41 tion, that there has been a regular succession of Bishops from the Apostles, holding the Apostolic Commission of ordaining and send ing others to act as ministers of the Gospel; — it is plain, that the ministry of the Church, at the present day, are as much "Embas sadors for Christ," as were the Apostles themselves, or those whom the Apostles ordained. But, if this chain of the Apostolic Succes sion of Bishops have been broken, then (whenever it happened) the ministry of the Church ceased — there was no power on earth clothed with authority to ordain others to act in Christ's name, un til he issued a new Commission to another set of Apostles to send out ministers to act in Jrlis name, and by His authority. But Christ never has issued any such neiv Commission, and, therefore, the first Commission, given to the Apostles, must still be in exist ence, and preserved in an unbroken chain to this day. 2. This Apostolic chain could not be broken ; because, if it could be, Christ's words would he falsified, which is impossible. Christ declared, 1 hat "the gates of Hell should never prevail against His Church" — that is, it never shduld be destroyed. Now, the Christian ministry is an essential part of the Church. If there were no ministry in the Church, the Church would cease to exist, (because there would be none, after a few years, with authority to baptize; and thus, the old members dying off, and no new ones being added by baptism, the Church would become extinct) — that is, "the gates of Hell" would prevail against Her, and Christ's words would be falsified ! But this is impossible, because Christ's words are true : His declaration concerning the stability of His Church is true : the Church, therefore, is still in existence, and the chain of the Apostolic Succession has not been broken, nor can be, because the Church is to last forever — which it cannot do, if its ministry become extinct ; and the ministry would become extinct, if, at any future time, this chain could be broken. 1 have thus, sir, endeavored to set down, as briefly as possible, the various arguments you have heard me use concerning the ne cessity and reality of trie Apostolical Succession, and other points connected with the Christian ministry. By giving them a careful perusal, I think you will be satisfied, 1 . That there are three distinct orders in the Christian ministry, and that, therefore, Presbyters and Bishops are not the same order. 2. That the authority to ordain was committed to the first order in the Christian ministry; and, consequently, as neither Coke nor Wesley belonged to that order, they possessed no authority to or dain, and their ordinations would be invalid. 3. That there is an absolute necessity for a succession from the Apostles; and that such succession has always existed, and does now exist, in the Christian Church. ,,..,_ 4 That no society has any foundation whatever for casing itself a Church of Christ, which does not possess a ministry thus Apos- tolically descended ; and consequently, as the "Methodist Church" does not even pretend to have such a ministry, it is not a Church of Christ. ¦ But when one might suppose that the- very last stone in the foundation of the "Methodist Church" had been removed, and that there was nothing left to support the crumbling fabric, all at once 4* 42 the Methodists shift their ground, and tell us that Coke and. his successors (the present Methodist "Bishops") were only Bishops in the sense of office ! Thus Watson, in his life of Wesley, (page 248,) in trying to show how it happened that Coke ceased to be a Bishop when he returned to England, says: "Dr. Coke was only an occasional visitant in America, and though in the sense of office he was a Bishop there, when he re turned home, as here he had no such office, so he used no such title, and made no such pretension!" To call this a silly excuse, would be using too weak a word. — When an English, a French, or a Spanish Bishop, visits this coun try, though he has no such office here, nevertheless he is a Bishop still, and uses his title of Bishop, and is addressed by the title of Bishop. And if a Bishop of the Protestant Episcopal Church visits England, though he has no such office there, nevertheless is a Bi shop still, and uses his title of Bishop, and is addressed by the title of Bishop. When Mar Yohanan, the Nestorian Bishop, lately "visited" this country, he had no such office here; still he did not cease to be a Bishop, but claimed to be one, and was addressed as a Bishop. It would, indeed, be a most singular thing, that a Bishop should cease to be a Bishop because he happened- to travel into another nation. At this rate, he would be under the necessity of being ordained over again at the end of every journey he makes, before he could again be a Bishop !* I must confess, that this argument about "Bishops in the sense of office" is a most extraordinary one, and am greatly astonished that the Methodists would venture to use it. Nothing that I have seen so completely exposes the nakedness of the whole Methodist sys tem, as this pretence of Bishops in the sense of office ! As I do not remember, in the various conversations we have had, ever allud ing to this point, I shall briefly consider it. I . By declaring Coke and his successors, to be only Bishops in the sense of office, it is acknowledging that they are not real Bishops ! 2. There is no such officer as "a Bishop in the sense of office" known to the Christian Church; and is directly contradictory to the Scriptures, which only speak of the officers of the Church of God, as being really and truly such. 3. Neither Wesley nor Coke, when they were ordained Presby ters of the Church, had any such "office" conferred upon them : neither could Wesley confer it on Coke, because all the powers, which Wesley, as a Presbyter possessed, Coke possessed, likewise, in an equal degree, as I have before shown. If either Wesley, or Coke, undertook to perform the duties pertaining lo the "office" of a Bishop, it was an act of usurpation — authority to perform Epis copal duties was never committed to either of them by those, who alone could give it, namely, the Bishops of the Church. It is evident, then, that this talk about "Bishops in the sense of office," is a mere pretence. Neither Coke nor Wesley were such * Coke, when he returned to England, applied, in 1813, to Mr. Wil- berforce to get him ordained a Bishop in the Church of England • thereby acknowledging that he was ho Bishop in anv sense of the word' fLet- *ers by the Rev. John Wesley, and the Kev.T. Coke, LL. D page 20 ) 43 officers ; and, if they had been, there is not, as I have said, any such officer in the Church of Gon. But, independently of this, the argument destroys itself by prov ing too much : because, if there can be "Bishops in the sense of of fice," without being real Bishops, then there can be Presbyters "in the sense of office" without being real Presbyters ! and Deacons "in the sense of office" without being real Deacons ! Whether this is not the situation of the "Methodist ministry" I leave you to judge. For there we find a body of men performing the various duties be longing to the office of Bishops, Elders, and Deacons, without be ing real Bishops, real! Elders, or real Deacons ; for no one, who is not really and truly a Bishop, can ordain real Elders and real Dea cons ; and thus we have a Society calling itself "a Church," with a visionary ministry — which is absurd. But, in order to show more fully the absurdity of this argument, let us carry it a step further. If the officers of the Church may be such merely in the "sense of office," without being real officers, then the officers of the civil government may exercise the powers of their offices in' the same manner, and we may have a President of the United States in the "sense of office" without being a real President; we may have Governors "in the sense of office" with out being real Governors ; and so we may have Judges, Sheriffs, Magistrates, &c, "in the sense of office" without being really Judges, Sheriffs, or Magistrates ! and all these offices may be usurp ed by any one who is desirous of only being a President, Governor, &c, "in the sense of office !" Was there ever an argument like this before heard, or dreamed of, to prove a Society to be the Church of God, until the Metho dists invented it? an argument, which, carried out to its legitimate results, would make the Christian ministry a matter of moonshine, and reduce civil government to a state of anarchy ! And yet it is this argument, of there being "Bishops in the sense of office," without being real Bishops, by which it is attempted to uphold the "Methodist ministry !" And what is this but acknow ledging, that, that "ministry" cannot he defended on the ground of Scripture, and consequently that it is unscriptural, and therefore invalid ! What better proof can you need, my friend, than this, that the "Methodist Church," instead of being built upon "a rock," (St. Matt. xvi. 18.) is built upon the sand ! Oh ! that Wesley's warning voice had been heeded, when he so pathetically intreated Asbury for God's sake ! for Christ's sake ! for his sake! not to call himself a Bishop ! Wesley clearly foresaw what would be the re sult of his doing so : he foresaw that a spurious Bishop (that is not "in the sense of office" only,) would introduce a spurious ministry, and spurious sacraments; and that, in consequence, an awful schism would be made in the Church of Go d ! Oh ! that his warn ing voice had been heeded ! l_ut here, some might say, (as many have said,) "What care we for the Church, or its ministry, or sacraments ? We have 'got religion •' our happy feelings tell us our sins are forgiven ; we are nerfectly satisfied." But, my friend, be not you like one of these ! Remember our Lord's awful words: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born ot water and of the ' Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!" 44 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you !" And when are we "born of water and of the Spirit" unless it be in the sacrament of Baptism? When do we, with the confession of the mouth, as well as in the belief of the heart, (see Rom. x. 10.) "eat His flesh and drink His blood," unless in the sacrament of the Lord's Supper ? Now recollect, that Christ gave His sacra ments to His Church ; that out of His Church there are no sacra ments ! that the Apostles alone received the commission to baptize, and lo break the bread and give the cup. Oh! that those, who talk about "their knowing that their sins are forgiven by their feel ings," would remember their Saviour's awful words which I have just quoted, and recollect that there is no promise of salvation made to any human being out of the Church of God; and that, so long as they are without baptism by a lawful minister, they are not members of that Church ! However they may think they have "got" religion," and/eeZ satisfied with themselves, let them know, that so long as they are not members of the Church of God, they have no assurance that they are bought with the' blood of Christ ! for it was "the Church, which God bought with His own blood." (Acts xx. 28.) And who can hope to be saved, unless he is bought with the blood of Christ ? Awful! atvful ! indeed, is the situation of those, who have forsaken the Church of their forefathers, to wander after teachers, who have no claim — no shadow of a claim — to call themselves ministers of the Church of God ! I do Dot say, that no one out of the Church will be saved, for this I do not believe ; but what I say is this — that God has no where promised to save us, unless we belong to that Church, which was bought with the blood of our Redeemer.* Are you, my friend, a member of that Church ? Calmly and seriously, and with earnest prayer to God for His guidance and direction, examine this question ; and if you find you are not, then ask yourself, upon what do your hopes of salvation rest? 1 have suffered my letter to grow to so great a length, that I shall only add, that 1 am, very truly, Your friend and servant, * Why does every sect which springs up, if it be but a week old, call itself a Church ? Because, if any one should say, it was not a Church, it would be acknowledging that it had no part in the promises of Gon. APPENDIX. Dr. Coke to Bishop White. This letter is reprinted from Bishop White's Memoirs of the Protestant Episco pal Church, first edition, pages 424 to 429. Eight Rev. Sir, Permit me to intrude a little on your time upon a subject of great im- You, I believe, are conscious that I was brought up in the Church of England, and have been ordained a presbyter of that Church. For many years I was prejudiced, even I think to bigotry, in favor of it: but through a variety of causes or incidents, to mention which would be tedious and useless, my mind was exceedingly biased on the other side of the ques tion. In consequence of this; f am not sure but I went farther in the separation of our church in America, than Mr. Wesley, from whom I had received my commission, did intend. He did indeed solemnly invest me, as far as he had a right so to do, with Episcopal authority, but did not intend, I think, that an entire separation should take place. He, being pressed by our friends on this side of the water for ministers to administer the sacraments to them, (there being very few clergy of the Church of England then in the States,) went farther, I am sure, than he would have gone, if he had foreseen some events which followed. And this I am certain of— that he is now sorry for the separation. But what can be done for a re-union, which I much wish for ; and to accomplish which Mr. Wesley, I have no doubt, would use his influence to the utmost ? The affection of a very considerable number of the preachers, and most of the people, is very strong towards him, notwith standing the excessive ill usage he received from a few. My interest also is not small ; and both his and mine would readily and to the utmost be used to accomplish that (to us) very desirable object; if a readiness were shown by the Bishops of the Protestant Episcopal Church to re unite. It is even to your church an object of great importance. We have now about 60,000 adults in our society in these States, and about 250 travel- ling ministers and preachers ; besides a great number of local preachers, very far exceeding the number of travelling preachers ; and some of those local preachers are men of very considerable abilities. But if we num ber the Methodists as most people number the members of their church, viz. by the families which constantly attend the divine ordinances in their places of worship, they will make a larger body than you probably conceive. The society, I believe, may be safely multiplied by five on an average to give us our stated congregations, which will then amount to 300,000. And if the calculation which, I think, some eminent writers have made, be just, that three-fifths of mankind are un-adult (if I may use the expression) at any given period, it will follow that all the fami lies, the adults of which form our congregations in these States, amount to 750,000. About one-fifth of these are blacks. The work now extends in length from Boston to the south of Georgia ; and in breadth from the Atlantic to lake Champlain, Vermont, Albany, Redstone, Holstein, Ken tucky, Cumberland, &c. But there are many hiriderances in the way. Can they be removed ? 1. Our ordained ministers will not, ought not, to give up their right 46 of administering the sacraments. I don't think that the generality of them, perhaps none of them, would refuse to submit to a re-ordination, if other hinderances were removed out. of the way. I must here observe, that between sixty and seventy only, out of the two hundred and fifty, have been ordained presbyters, and about sixty deacons, (only.) The presbyters are the choicest of the whole. 2. The other preachers would hardly submit to a re-union, if the pos sibility of their rising- up to ordination depended on the present bishops in America. Because though they are ull, I think I may say, zealous, pious, and very useful men, yet they are not acquainted with the learned languages. Besides, they would argue, — If the present bishops would waive the article of the learned languages, yet their succeesors might not. My desire of a re-union is so sincere and earnest that these, difficulties almost make me tremble : and yet something must be done before the death of Mr. Wesley, otherwise I shall despair of success : for though my influence among the Methodists in these States, as well as in .Europe, is, I doubt not, increasing, yet Mr. Asbury, whose influence is very capital, will not easily comply : nay, I know he will be exceedingly averse to it. In Europe, where some steps had been taken, tending to a separation, all is at an end. Mr. Wesley is a determined enemy of it, and I have lately borne an open and successful testimony against it. Shall I be favored with a private interview with you in Philadelphia? I shall be there, God willing, on Tuesday, the 17th of May. If this be agreeable, I'll beg of you just to signify it in a note directed to me, at Mr. Jacob Baker's, merchant, Market street, Philadelphia: or, if you please, by a few lines sent to me by the return of the post, at Philip Ro gers', Esq., in Baltimore, from yourself or Dr. Magaw, and I will wait upon you with my friend Dr. Magaw. We can then enlarge on these subjects. I am conscious of it, that secresy is of great importance in the present state of the business, till the minds of you, your brother bishops, and Mr. Wesley, he circumstantially known. I must therefore beg that these things be confined to yourself and Dr. Magaw, till I have the honor of seeing you. Thus, you see, I have made a bold venture on your honor and candor, and have opened my whole heart to you on the subject, as far as the ex tent of a small letter will allow me. If you put equal confidence in me, you will find me candid and faithful. I have, notwithstanding, been guilty ol inadvertencies. Very lately I found myself obliged (for the pacifying of my conscience) to write a penitential letter to the Rev. Mr. Jarratt, which gave him great satisfac tion : and for the same reason I must write another to the Rev. Mr.Pet- tigrew. When I was last in America, I prepared and corrected a great variety of things for our magazines, indeed almost every thing that was printed, except some loose hints which I had taken of one of my journeys, and which I left in my huiry with Mr. Asbury, without any correction, entreating that no part of them might be printed which would be impro per or offensive. But through great inadvertency (I suppose) he suffered some reflections on the characters of the two above-mentioned gentlemen to be inserted in the magazine, for which I am very sorry : and probably shall not rest till I have made my acknowledgment more public though Mr. Jarratt does not desire it. 5 I am not sure whether I have not also offended you, sir, by accepting of one of the offers made me by you and Dr. Magaw, of the use of your churches about six years ago, on my first visit to Philadetphia, without informing you of our plan of separation from the Church of England If I did offend, (as I doubt I did, especially from what you said on the subject to Mr. Richard Dallam, of Abington,) I sincerely beg your _n(_ 47 Dr. Magaw's pardon. I'll endeavor to amend. But, alas ! I am a frail, weak creature. I will intrude no longer at present. One thing only I will claim from your candor — that if you have no thoughts of improving this proposal, you will burn this letter, and take no more notice of it, (for it would be a pity to have us entirely alienated from each other, if we cannot unite in the manner my ardent wishes desire:) But if you will further nego tiate the business, I will explain my mind still more fully to you on the probabilities of success. In the meantime, permit me, with great respect, to subscribe myself, Right Rev. Sir, Your very humble servant in Christ, Thomas Coke. Richmond, April 24, 1791. The Right Rev. Father in God; Bishop White. You must excuse interlineations, Sec , as I am just going into the country, and have no time to transcribe. B. Dr. Coke to Bishop Seabury. The original of this letter is in the possession of Dr. Seabury, Editor of the Chi-rghman, New York. The Right Rev. Father in God, Bishop Seabury, Right Rev. Sir, — Froin-your well known character, I am going to open my mind to you on a subject of very great moment. Being educated a member of the Church of England from my earliest infancy, being ordained of that church, and having taken two degrees in arts, and two degrees in civil law, in the University of Oxford, which is entirely under the patronage of the Church of England, 1 was almost a bigot in its favor when I first joined that great and good man, Mr. John Wesley, which is fourteen years ago. For five or six years after my union with Mr. Wesley, I remained fixed in my attachment to the Church of England: but afterward?, for many reasons, which it would be tedious and useless to mention, I changed ray sentiments, and promoted a sepa ration from it, as far as my influence reached. Within' these two years I am come back again.: my love tor the Church of England has returned. I think I am attached to it on a ground much more rational, and conse quently much less likely to he shaken than formeily. I have many a time run into error; but to b= ashamed of confessing my error, when -convinced of it, has never been one of my defects. Therefore, when I was fully convinced of my error, in the steps I took to bring about a se paration from the Church of England in Europe, I delivered, before a congregation of about 3000 people, in our largest chapel in Dublin, on a Sunday evening, after preaching, an exhortation, which, in fact, amount ed to a recantation of my error. Some time afterward, I repeated tbe same in our largest chapels in London, and in several other parts of Eng land and Ireland: and I have reason to believe that my proceedings in this respect have given a death-blow to all the hopes of a separation which may exist in the minds of any in those kingdoms. On the same principles I most cordially wish for a re-union of the Protestant Episcopal and the Methodist Churches in these States. The obiect is of vast magnitude. Our work now reaches to Boston, north ward- to Wilkes county, in Georgia, southward; and to Alban}'*, Ver mont Lake Champlain, Redstone, and Kentucky, westward ; a length of about 1300 or 1400 miles, and a breadth of between 500 and 1000. Our society in the States amounts to upwards of 60,000. These, I am 48 persuaded, may, with safety, be multiplied by five, to give us our regular Sunday's congregations, which will make 300,000. If the calculations of some great writers be just, three-fifths of any given country consist of un-advlls ; so that the families, the adults of which regularly attend di vine service among us, amount, according to this mode of calculation, to 750,000 ; about a fifth part of these are blacks. How great, then, would be the strength of our church, (will you give me leave to call it so? I mean the Protestant Episcopal,) if the two sticks were made one ? But how can this be done? The magnitude of tbe object would jus tify considerable sacrifices. A solemn engagement to use your prayer book in all our places of worship on the Lord's day would, of course, be a sine qua non, a concession we should be obliged to make on our part, ( if it may be called a concession ; ) and there would be, I doubt not, other concessions to be made by us. But what concessions would it be neces sary for you to make? For the opening of this subject with all possible candor, it will be necessary to take a view of the present state of the min istry in the Methodist Church, in these States. We have about 250 travelling preachers, and a vastly greater number of local preachers, I mean preachers who live on their plantations, or are occupied in the exercise of trades or professions, and confined to a small sphere of action, in respect to their ministerial labors. About seventy of our travelling preachers aTe elders (as we call them) or presbyters. These are the most eminent and most approved of the whole body ; and a very excellent set of clergy I really believe they are. We have about the same number of deacons among the travelling preachers, who exer cise the office of deacon, according to the plan of the Church of England. These ministers, both presbyters and deacons, must be elected by a ma jority of the conference before they can be ordained. A superintendent only ordains the deacons, and a superintendent must make one of the presbytery for the ordination of a priest or elder ; and the superintendents are invested with a negative voice in respect to the ordination of any person that has been elected for the office either of elder or deacon. — Among the local preachers there is no higher office than that of a deacon. The local preacher does not pass Ihrough an election for this office ; but if he bring a testimonial, signed by three elders, one of whom must be what we call a presiding elder, one who has the government of a district, i. e. several circuits joined together, three deacons, three unordained preachers, and the majority of the class of which he is a member, or the stewards and leaders of the whole society of which he is a member, asu- perintendent may then, if he please, ordain him : and a great many of the oldest and wisest of the local preachers have been ordained deacons on this plan. Now, on a re-union taking place, our ministers, both elders and dea cons, would expect to have, and ought to have, the same authority they have at present, of administering the ordinances according to the respec tive powers already invested in them for this purpose I well know that they must submit to a te-ordination, which, I believe, might be easily brought about, if every other hinderance was removed out of the way But the grand objection would arise from the want of confidence which the deacons and unordained preachers would experience. The present bi shops might give them such assurance as would perhaps remove all their fears concerning them; but they could give no security for their succes sors, or for any new b.shops who may be consecrated for the Episcopal Church in those S a es which have no at present an Episcopal minister. The reoms.tion of learmng for the ministry (I mean the knowledge of the New Testament in the ordinal, and of the Latin tongue) would ho an insuperable objection on this ground, as the present bishops and th» present members of the general convention can give no sufficient ser.irit. for their successors. And the preachers could never, I believe b 49 duced to give up the full confidence they have in their present superin tendents, that they shall in due time rise to the higher offices of the church, according to their respective merits, for any change of situation in which the confidence they should then possess would not be equivalent. But what can be done to gain this confidence on the plan of a re-union of the two churches > I will answer this important question with all simplicity, plainness, and boldness ; and the more so, because, 1st. I am addressing myself, I have no doubt, to a person of perfect candor ; 2dly. I have a re-union so much at heart, that I would omit nothing that may, according to the best of my judgment, throw light on the subject ; 3dly. Because I think I am not in danger from your charitable spirit, to be sus pected, in the present instance, of pressing after worldly honor; as it is likely I shall be elected President of the European Methodists, and shall not, [ believe, receive greater marks of respect from the Methodists in these States, supposing I ever be a bishop of the Protestant Episcopal Church, than they are at present so kind as to show me. Mr. Asbury, our resident superintendent, is a great and good man. — He possesses, and justly, the esteem of most of the preachers, and most of the people. Now if the general convention of the clergy consented that he should be consecrated a bishop of the Methodist Episcopal Church, on the supposition'of a re-union, a very capital hinderance would be removed out of the way. Again, I love the Methodists in America, and could not think of leav ing them entirely, whatever might happen to me in Europe. The preachers and people also love me. Many have a peculiar regard for me. But I could not with propriety, visit the American Methodists, pos sessing in our church on this side of the water an office inferior to that of Mr. Asbury. But if the two houses of the convention of the clergy would consent to your consecration of Mr. Asbury and me as bishops of the Methodist So ciety in the Protestant Episcopal Church in these United States, (or by any other title, if that be not proper,) on the supposition of the re-union of the two churches, under proper mutual stipulations ; and engage that the Methodist Society shall have a regular supply, on the death of their bishops, and so, ad perpetuum, the grand difficulty in respect to the preachers would be removed — they would have the same men to confide in whom they have at present, and all other mutual stipulations would soon be settled. I said, in respect to preachers, for I do not fully know Mr. Asbury's mind on the subject. I have my fears in respcet to his sentiments; and if he do not accede to the union, it will not take place so completely as I could wish. I wish you could see my sinful heart, but that is impossible. I think I need not observe that, if things were brought to a happy is sue, we should still expect to enjoy all our rights as a society in the most exclusive sense, as we do now in Europe : I mean the receiving or re jecting members in or from our classes, bands, love-feasts, Ike. I have had the honor of three interviews with Bishop White on this subject, and some correspondence. In the present state of things, I must entreat you to lay this business only before your confidential friends ; and if you honor me with a letter by the June packet, directed to the Rev. Dr. Coke, at the new chapel, City road, London, I will write to you again immediately after the English conference, which will commence in Manchester the last Tuesday in next July. The importance of the subject on which I have now written to you, will I think prevent the necessity of an apology for the liberty I have taken in writing to you. Permit me to subscribe myself, with great respect, Right Rev. Sir, Your very humble and obedient servant, Thomas Coke. pjiilaxlcl.nhia. Man 14. 1731. 1477 f ill 111 I 1ill ill iffi liilltll